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DT: Friday, October 18th.,2013 @ 1555hrs EST <JPST>
<< Quoting G0TEZ to TODAY @WW >>
> From : G0TEZ To : TODAY @WW
> Type/Status : B$ Date/Time : 18-Oct 05:29
> Bid : F00308G0TEZ Message # : 15698
> Title : Revisionist history.
>
> Hello Pete and any others.
> Thanks for the reply. When I think about it, I was brought
> up at a time when we had a lot of lying propagand,
> i.e. during and after WW II.
Hi Ian. That was normal fare for many years, like an old
solgan,. "Loose lips, sink ships." Bad and good it served
the government.
> As a small boy I believed for a while that germans had tails abd
> behaved like devils.
That is something like what I heard repeated of the Germans
from WW1, and then from the German side, perhaps more of the
same as the governments had to whip up hatre.
> Most of the lies were put about by our Ministry of Information,
> which George Orwell called 'Minitrue' in his book 1984.
> The Ministry was run by a man called Sefton Delmer who's biography
> I read. He was the British equivalent of Dr Goebels but, for some
> reason, is not remembered.
Never knew that Ian. Of course I never had reason to look up our
Ministry of Information.
> It was only a couple of years ago that I heard a man in a pub
> telling of how Hitler only had one ball, his real name was
> Schickelgruber and he was a housepainter. All lies dreamed up by
> Delmer, long before he was born.
I don't know if he had or didn't, but I knew he did change his
name to Hitler, and as a painter, he did attend art school.
Can not take from Adolf that he did win the Iron Cross.
There are also people alive today with deep admiration for him,
even dispite all the people they sort of tie in to him being
a party to mudering them.
> Then we moved on to the Reds. Unlike the USA, they went from
> being good guys to bad guys every few years. I decided to read
> the history and Constitution of the Soviet Union. Part of what
> they believed was very attrective, especially if you were poor,
> like very low rents, cheap and even free gas in certain areas and
> no one starving, That is why I find Obama Care and the antipathy
> to it, frankly amazing. Like all |Brits i have paid tax and
> National Insurance all mt working life and am a mild Socialist.
Not everyone was sold on the USSR during WW2 as being the good guys
and our allies. I'll leave you to read that part...again.
Yes Russian history is interesting. They have had to defend against
the West and East, and true to being of good Viking stock they
were able to survive. When they became communist, and the USSR
I too remember reading the most elaborate Constitution I have ever
read, and while attractive, the key word is the Party.
When it flopped, and well look how it was governed, far from really
being a Communist state, retired and if poor citizens lost their
pensions, and when elections are held they vote always for the
Communist Party to restore what they have lost. Yes toe the Party
line and one never starved.
On Obama Care. Well they call it in the USA...socialist. YET it
is ok from the same government to receive Old Age Pensions, and
Social Security and other pensions too.
I think Ian, as a mild socialist you see Europe the way some countrys
there are socialist governments and for good reason.
> As the fear of 'Communiosm' died away we got the rise of the two
> types opf feminism in the 1980s. Quite simply, the Equality Feminists
> jsut wanted parity with men in working hours, pay and holidays,
> a very sensible thing. The antiman feminists who won out in Britain
> want female superiority and are spreading lies like 'girls are far
> better at science than boys.' Not in my world, worse still they
> wrote Pierre Curie out of history altogether. Pierre discoverd
> piezo electicity which is used in half of cigarette lighter,
> microphones and miniature loudspeakers and in several places in
> the computer you are reading this on. He then went into cryogenics,
> not long after William Thompsaon (Later Lord Kelvin) had calculated
> Absolute Zero, in fact there is still a temperature called the
> Curie Point, down near Absolute Zero, used in physics.
>
> The feminist version reads that Marie Curie did it all and got a
> Nobel Prize. Not true, she got a quarter of a Nobel Prize as did
> Pierre and the other half went to Henri Beccquerel for work in the
> field of radiation.
>
> They tried to do the same thing with Albert Einstein, saying that
> it was Mrs Einstein's theory. I suspect they stopped because there
> are so many biographies of Einstein, many saying what a harridan
> she was, that thay couldn't pull that one off. Einstin did divorce
> her and gave her his Nobel Prize money and the interest from it,
> probably to keep her quiet while he travelled the world lecturing,
> married a gain and had a lot more children.
When I think of your views of the feminist movement, I have no
quarrel with them getting equal pay etc, and all that, but then
they wanted their cake, and the courtesys they enjoyed before
and I saw that on the job, where they wanted to be bosses, and
then revolved in anger when they got treated like everyone else.
One boss really got angry with me, and tried the womanizer courtesy
route of before, and I mentioned that ,that would not apply as you
wanted to and demanded I see you as an equal, so you can be treated
the same as a man. Ended up her trying to fire me, on some charge
I was going to kill her, and witnesses and all .... And as I don't
rattle easy, it was a walk to the head office with her, and a phone
to call the POLICE to deal with the charge. The Head guy told me
to apologize to her, and I laughed...
"Victim never apologizes to Bully."
So ended that one. never saw her again for a long time, she never
came close, as it was open warfare. Yeah ... seen in reality
what you talk about.
> As for the 40 Rolls Royce Nene jet engines given to Joe Stalin,
> that was a secret until the 90s. In the late 40s, we were still
> friends with the Russians and, maybe, our government wanted to get
> back at the Yanks for stealing so many of our ideas and charging
> us billins of $s for 'winning WWII for us' I can only guess.....
>
> End of rant.
Was that really a secret? My dad knew that one and told me about
it in 1960. Also the battle plan for the USSR vs Western Europe
after the war. No wonder they wanted to re-arm Germany. To defend
itself. Of course the plans came to light over here in a 1980s
newpaper article by Peter Worthington in the Toronto Telegram
< Now defunct>. How my father knew these plans I have no idea.
As far as I know he had knowledge of them in 1945, and via too
Russian friends we had as we all went fishing in the early mornings.
> 73 - Ian, G0TEZ @ GB7CIP
>
> Message timed: 06:29 on 2013-Oct-18 GMT+1
>
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> [End of Message #15698 from G0TEZ]
Ian the great thing about this misinformation age, and BS and all
is that if they distort history, there is no doubt they'll be
repeating it, perhaps with greater disasterous results, and
as far as I am concerned, it looks great on them all.
If I fight a war, I see profitteers as enemys of the state, and
they have to be terminated. Same goes for those assisting the
enemys of my country, like the Joe Kennedys. God Bless the
Bill Donavans, and those that came from the USA to form the
Eagle Squadrons of the RAF. Those that joined the army or navy.
Hey !!! Rant on !!! ...We might not be that lucky next time,
as mother nature will win.
73 Pete VE3WBZ
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