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Today's Topics:
1. Re: QSL's to Canada and Mexico (VE2PIJ FN35)
2. Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe (Henk, PA3GUO)
3. Re: Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe (Henk, PA3GUO)
4. Re: Organized Chaos (Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF)
5. Re: Organized Chaos (Joe)
6. Re: 145 MHz IF on mode V/s (i8cvs)
7. AAUSAT-II FFSK/MSK burst length (Mineo Wakita)
8. DO-64 heard over VK (David)
9. Re: Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe (soundbite)
(Henk, PA3GUO)
10. Beiijing to Launch Amateur Radio Satellite for Olympics ? (Trevor)
11. Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications
Conference (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
12. Re: Organized Chaos (David Goncalves)
13. New ANDE FCAL and HITSAT re-entry dates (Armando Mercado)
14. Re: Beiijing to Launch Amateur Radio Satellite for Olympics ?
(Michael Chen, BD5RV)
15. Satellite antennas for sale (Bill Bruno)
16. FM satellites... (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:36:23 -0400
From: VE2PIJ FN35 <ve2pij(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL's to Canada and Mexico
To: <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W3753B3DC1D8B404107E62D9DC70(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
you can buy canadian stamps
from canada post
http://www.geocities.com/vhfdx2/stamp.jpg
--
73 de Pierre VE2PIJ FN35qi
http://www.geocities.com/vhfdx2/
http://www.qsl.net/ve2pij
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 22:03:54 -0700
> From: amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: QSL's to Canada and Mexico
>
> Hi Ron!
>
> > I am trying to get VUCC and have made several contacts in Canada and
> > Mexico. In trying to be courteous, I dont just want to drop the cards
> > in the mail and hope that I get a return. I would like to get local
> > postage so they can put the card in the mail and get it back to me with
> > no cost to them.
> >
> > I have found a link to the Canadian post office and am waiting for a
> > login to the website so I can order stamps. The Mexican post office
> > doesnt seem to be as organized in the same way. There isnt a english
> > page on the site and google translating only gets you so far. What are
> > my options with getting postage to Mexico ?
>
> Canada Post's online ordering bordered on the horrific a year or two
> ago. I don't bother with it. I call through their toll-free 1-800-565-4362
> number (toll-free for Canada and the USA, available 7am-7pm Eastern
> time, Monday through Friday) to place orders. No tax, no shipping
> charges, just the face value of the stamps to your doorstep if outside
> Canada. This number goes to their stamp-collecting hotline, and you
> get on their mailing list for future catalogs etc., but it works well.
>
> Mexico... e-mail me directly. I get, and keep, a small arsenal of
> Mexican stamps. It's more important for Mexico-bound mail to
> avoid sending "green stamps" with your QSLs if you expect them
> to reach their destination. As long as you get a good address for
> the XE ham (I may be able to help with that, if you have questions
> on what may be listed on QRZ.com), making an SASE with
> Mexican postage is the way to go. I have had an almost perfect
> record for getting my XE satellite QSOs confirmed down there.
>
> Sometimes, to avoid the occasional black hole of Mexico City's airport
> post office/Customs, I will have letters mailed from just across the
> border in Mexico. Mail generally takes longer to get to its destination
> compared to having it arrive directly from a foreign country (i.e., from
> Mexicali - across from Calexico and El Centro, California - to Mexico
> City is a 3- to 4-week trip for the Mexican post), but you do avoid some
> of the problems that might pop up. Again, I can help you with that if
> necessary.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:42:08 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen(AT)iae.nl>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <1251.212.61.85.173.1211398928.squirrel(AT)webmail.iae.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
During the 15 degrees pass this evening I did hear
the FM packets, in the noise, but they were there !
Hopefully during the next pass signal is stronger
and I may be able to decode them.
Henk, PA3GUO
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:40:51 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen(AT)iae.nl>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <2324.212.61.85.173.1211402451.squirrel(AT)webmail.iae.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
During the 89 degrees pass the signal was stronger.
Using RHCP 2x8 elements, no pre-amp, I heared
many packets, but could decode all of them ...
yes I do need a pre-amp :-)
TS2000X + ext TNC (PK96) + Alogger (SW)
!S 18:54:51 !PASSAll now ON
cmd:
!S 20:25:43 !JQ1YTC-3>JQ1YCZ:0z
!S 20:25:59 !JQ1YTC>JQ0YCV:0
!S 20:26:31 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:26:47 !JQ1ZTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:27:03 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:29:59 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:30:15 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:30:31 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:30:47 !JQ1YRC>RQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:31:35 !JQQiTC>JI19CZ:0`
!S 20:32:39 !$5936.4F30:0`c8
!S 20:33:27 !JQ1UTC-12>JQ1YCZ:0
!S 20:33:59 !JQ1YYC>JQ1YCZ:0
Henk, PA3GUO
(will put tomorrow morning a sound-bite here: http://www.qsl.net/pa3guo)
> During the 15 degrees pass this evening I did hear
> the FM packets, in the noise, but they were there !
>
> Hopefully during the next pass signal is stronger
> and I may be able to decode them.
>
> Henk, PA3GUO
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:10:07 -0400
From: "Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF" <kb1sf(AT)kcbassociates.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Organized Chaos
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <001601c8bb8f$91d0b230$667ba8c0(AT)Pavillion767>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dave Guimomt (WB6LLO) wrote:--------------------John, the operation of FM
voice satellites is a travesty for ham radio... I've been licensed for 57
years, on amateur satellites for 33 years (Oscar 7) and the FM voice operation
is the most ridiculous aberration I've witnessed in all of amateur
radio...Pandemonium exists here also!! It is pretty obvious NO COMMUNICATION
exists on AO51,all of their communication is on here. Why do they bother to
turn the radio on??? Many of us attended AMSAT a lot conventions in an attempt
to discourage throwing that money "down the tubes" on FM voice, to no avail.
Someone had an "ax to grind", and several of the existing "powers that be" in
AMSAT-NA told me to "mind my own business". They were obviously the "ax
grinders". FM voice on the amateur satellites is about equal to the same
degree of difficulty as a cell phone operation! No wonder our membership is
deteriorating. Ancient AO7 and present VO52 hopefully are keeping some
interest, unt!
il Europe launches P3E.... That's where my donations go.....-----------Dave,
As one of those who was present at the "birth" of AO-51(we called it "Echo"
back then), I respectfully have todisagree with your assertions. I can assure
you that nobody had an "ax to grind" in thatdecision. To the contrary, if you
will recall, at that time wehad all but lost most of P3-D's on-orbit
capabilities. Organizationally, our morale was very low. What's more, the
BOD and officers were presented with a unique cooperative venture that offered
our membership a new LEO satellite, complete with launch, for a relatively
small outlay of capital resources. Naturally, we jumped at the chance. And,
while FM operation may not be your particular "cup of tea" (and most of us
operating there would MUCH prefer to have an HEO to play with), at least for
the foreseeable future, an operational HEO on orbit is simply not in the
cards. What's more, as Bob Bruninga has so eloquently pointed out, the FM !
birds DO serve a purpose in creating excitement among the general Ham
population as well as serving as the entry point into more serious satellite
operation for those who choose to engage in satellite conversations that offer
something more than just a quick "hello and goodbye". As far as our declining
AMSAT membership is concerned, while regrettable, I'm convinced this is simply
just another reflection of the declining popularity of Amateur Radio in
general. In case you hadn't noticed it, Dave, our Amateur Service is now,
quite literally, dying. That's because our average age is approaching (and
will soon surpass) age 60. I learned long ago that it is far easier to tear
a house down than it is to build one. And sitting on the sidelines and
passing judgment on decisions that have LONG since been made serves no purpose
other than to create bad feelings all around. I'm sure the current officers
and BOD members of all of our AMSAT organizations are doing their level best
to get an HEO bird into orbit just as soon as they possibly can. Ho!
wever, we all must remember this is 2008, not 1968. The "space biz" has
fundamentally changed into a multi-billion dollar, multi-national, military-
industrial grab-bag of commercial launch companies, complete with an ever more
dizzying array of government-induced, bureaucratic restrictions and regulatory
limits regarding who (and/or what) can put which payload into Earth orbit. The
bottom line here is that the days of "free" (or nearly free) and unencumbered
satellite launches into Earth orbit are long since over. The sooner today's
AMSAT members recognize and accept those fundamental changes that have
occurred in a business that their predecessors in AMSAT largely helped
create, the better off everyone will be. And if operating on our FM birds
continues to give you heartburn, then may I suggest you (and others so
'heartburned") simply not operate on them? 73, Keith BakerKB1SF / VA3KSFPast
President and BOD MemberAMSAT-NA
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:47:11 -0500
From: Joe <nss(AT)mwt.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Organized Chaos
To: Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF <kb1sf(AT)kcbassociates.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <4834A66F.9030602(AT)mwt.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi All,
I Myself only operated a FM bird a few times, found it to be like
operating one of the wide coverage repeaters that we have, and for the
most part, that is all that they are.
I remember when I first got on the birds also AO-7, we had nothing to
use for the 2 meter up-link, of course we had the 10 meter rcv covered.
but to transmit, all we had was the day's rock bound FM rigs.
But we found a ools vfo controlled AM 2 meter rig, I don't remember what
it was other than it's face was fire engine red> anyone have a idea as
to what that was?
Well we placed it into the up-link passband, and found in the mic jack
(had no mic for it) what pins made it transmit, and hooked our straight
key to it.
when tyhe bird came over we guestimated where we should be in the down
link and hit the key, not bad about 5 kc high,, put out a short cq, and
worked someone right away first try, what a blast and a contact we all
will never forget!
Joe WB9SBD
Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF wrote:
>Dave Guimomt (WB6LLO) wrote:--------------------John, the operation of FM
voice satellites is a travesty for ham radio... I've been licensed for 57
years, on amateur satellites for 33 years (Oscar 7) and the FM voice operation
is the most ridiculous aberration I've witnessed in all of amateur
radio...Pandemonium exists here also!!
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:51:57 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 145 MHz IF on mode V/s
To: "K & R Yoksh" <yokshs(AT)sbcglobal.net>, "Amsat BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <009b01c8bb9d$a804b700$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "K & R Yoksh" <yokshs(AT)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] 145 MHz IF on mode V/s
> Hello all,
>
> BTW, anyone have a ballpark idea of when P3E will launch? Last I heard was
> late 2008?
>
> 73,
>
> Kyle Yoksh
> K0KN
> Olathe, Kansas
>
Hi Kyle, K0KN
Regarding the launch of P3-E I hnow that AMSAT-DL have close contacts
and discussing various possible launch opportunities.
However, the costs they still want to have for such a launch are too
high for AMSAT-DL alone and therefore they have not yet finally sign a
launch contract for a specific launch.
As far I know AMSAT-DL have already invested 1,5 Mio EUR into building
the spacecraft and work continues.
As far I know AMSAT-DL is currently working hard to cover the launch costs
(of abt 1 Mio. EUR) by other sources, but to finish P3E and keep the
infrastructure they still need support by the community and so if we want
P3-E becomes a reality we all users and particularly those people
commercially interested in this venture must pull for P3-E donating "money"
to AMSAT-DL othervise in the future only the LEO FM birds will be the last
Amateur Radio Satellite frontiere i.e. a step back before OSCAR-10 in a
previous time when the Amateur Radio Satellite communication between
Continents was impossible.
Best 73" de
i8CVS Domenico
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:54:56 +0900
From: Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt(AT)asahi-net.or.jp>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AAUSAT-II FFSK/MSK burst length
To: mail(AT)mike-rupprecht.de
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <54C8BB9E123037ei7m-wkt(AT)asahi-net.or.jp>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Bottom of this page:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/aausati2.htm
de JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:18:27 +0930
From: David <vk5dg(AT)aapt.net.au>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DO-64 heard over VK
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <200805221018.27289.vk5dg(AT)aapt.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello All,
Just caught the end of a pass over VK. By the time I had the
computers/radio/tracking fired up and synchronised RASCAL, i managed to
capture 26 packets.
On the earlier pass this morning I heard SEEDS in CW mode, COMPASS with 8
minute intervals and decoded telemetry from CUTE in CW mode.
73 de David VK5DG
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 07:37:20 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen(AT)iae.nl>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cute FM packets heared May 21 over Europe
(soundbite)
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <2808.212.61.85.173.1211434640.squirrel(AT)webmail.iae.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
15 seconds inbetween each burst, this is how it sounds (20 seconds sample):
http://home.vianetworks.nl/users/hamoen/pa3guo/cute_17_21may08_2020utc_pa3guo_
fm_packet_437.475_89_deg.mp3
Henk
> During the 89 degrees pass the signal was stronger.
>
> Using RHCP 2x8 elements, no pre-amp, I heared
> many packets, but could decode all of them ...
> yes I do need a pre-amp :-)
>
> TS2000X + ext TNC (PK96) + Alogger (SW)
>
> !S 18:54:51 !PASSAll now ON
> cmd:
> !S 20:25:43 !JQ1YTC-3>JQ1YCZ:0z
> !S 20:25:59 !JQ1YTC>JQ0YCV:0
> !S 20:26:31 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:26:47 !JQ1ZTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:27:03 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:29:59 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:30:15 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:30:31 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:30:47 !JQ1YRC>RQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:31:35 !JQQiTC>JI19CZ:0`
> !S 20:32:39 !$5936.4F30:0`c8
> !S 20:33:27 !JQ1UTC-12>JQ1YCZ:0
> !S 20:33:59 !JQ1YYC>JQ1YCZ:0
>
> Henk, PA3GUO
> (will put tomorrow morning a sound-bite here: http://www.qsl.net/pa3guo)
>
>> During the 15 degrees pass this evening I did hear
>> the FM packets, in the noise, but they were there !
>>
>> Hopefully during the next pass signal is stronger
>> and I may be able to decode them.
>>
>> Henk, PA3GUO
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:01:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Beiijing to Launch Amateur Radio Satellite for
Olympics ?
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <912175.12240.qm(AT)web27204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
See
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2008/beijing_satellite.htm
Lets hope they do.
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:31:53 -0400
From: "Ford, Steve, WB8IMY" <sford(AT)arrl.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital
Communications Conference
To: "RTTY Reflector" <rtty(AT)contesting.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>,
<vhf(AT)w6yx.stanford.edu>, <psk31(AT)bipt106.bi.ehu.es>,
<digitalradio(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID:
<AD6F46BB3421B241903D155572BA86FE03BC060C(AT)cartagia.ARRLHQ.ORG>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:
Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111
or you can make your submission via e-mail to: maty(AT)arrl.org
Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.
73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:11:02 -0400
From: "David Goncalves" <davegoncalves(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Organized Chaos
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<efbd6ca10805220811v211a1cb5o11f1c2ab7e637d67(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Ahhhhh! Wall of text!!!
David Goncalves
W1EUJ
On 5/21/08, Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF <kb1sf(AT)kcbassociates.com> wrote:
> Dave Guimomt (WB6LLO) wrote:--------------------John, the operation of FM
voice satellites is a travesty for ham radio... I've been licensed for 57
years, on amateur satellites for 33 years (Oscar 7) and the FM voice operation
is the most ridiculous aberration I've witnessed in all of amateur
radio...Pandemonium exists here also!! It is pretty obvious NO COMMUNICATION
exists on AO51,all of their communication is on here. Why do they bother to
turn the radio on??? Many of us attended AMSAT a lot conventions in an attempt
to discourage throwing that money "down the tubes" on FM voice, to no avail.
Someone had an "ax to grind", and several of the existing "powers that be" in
AMSAT-NA told me to "mind my own business". They were obviously the "ax
grinders". FM voice on the amateur satellites is about equal to the same
degree of difficulty as a cell phone operation! No wonder our membership is
deteriorating. Ancient AO7 and present VO52 hopefully are keeping some
interest, un
t!
> il Europe launches P3E.... That's where my donations go.....-----------
Dave, As one of those who was present at the "birth" of AO-51(we called it
"Echo" back then), I respectfully have todisagree with your assertions. I can
assure you that nobody had an "ax to grind" in thatdecision. To the contrary,
if you will recall, at that time wehad all but lost most of P3-D's on-orbit
capabilities. Organizationally, our morale was very low. What's more, the
BOD and officers were presented with a unique cooperative venture that offered
our membership a new LEO satellite, complete with launch, for a relatively
small outlay of capital resources. Naturally, we jumped at the chance. And,
while FM operation may not be your particular "cup of tea" (and most of us
operating there would MUCH prefer to have an HEO to play with), at least for
the foreseeable future, an operational HEO on orbit is simply not in the
cards. What's more, as Bob Bruninga has so eloquently pointed out, the FM
!
> birds DO serve a purpose in creating excitement among the general Ham
> population as well as serving as the entry point into more serious satellite
operation for those who choose to engage in satellite conversations that offer
something more than just a quick "hello and goodbye". As far as our declining
AMSAT membership is concerned, while regrettable, I'm convinced this is simply
just another reflection of the declining popularity of Amateur Radio in
general. In case you hadn't noticed it, Dave, our Amateur Service is now,
quite literally, dying. That's because our average age is approaching (and
will soon surpass) age 60. I learned long ago that it is far easier to tear
a house down than it is to build one. And sitting on the sidelines and
passing judgment on decisions that have LONG since been made serves no purpose
other than to create bad feelings all around. I'm sure the current officers
and BOD members of all of our AMSAT organizations are doing their level best
to get an HEO bird into orbit just as soon as they possibly can. H
o!
> wever, we all must remember this is 2008, not 1968. The "space biz" has
fundamentally changed into a multi-billion dollar, multi-national, military-
industrial grab-bag of commercial launch companies, complete with an ever more
dizzying array of government-induced, bureaucratic restrictions and regulatory
limits regarding who (and/or what) can put which payload into Earth orbit. The
bottom line here is that the days of "free" (or nearly free) and unencumbered
satellite launches into Earth orbit are long since over. The sooner today's
AMSAT members recognize and accept those fundamental changes that have
occurred in a business that their predecessors in AMSAT largely helped
create, the better off everyone will be. And if operating on our FM birds
continues to give you heartburn, then may I suggest you (and others so
'heartburned") simply not operate on them? 73, Keith BakerKB1SF / VA3KSFPast
President and BOD MemberAMSAT-NA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
--
David Goncalves
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:52:33 -0400
From: "Armando Mercado" <am25544(AT)triton.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] New ANDE FCAL and HITSAT re-entry dates
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000301c8bc23$d9de7050$1111acd1(AT)hppav>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=original
Hello,
Space-Track has posted a May 27 re-entry date for ANDE FCAL (NO-62)
and a May 31 re-entry date for HITSAT (HO-59).
Keps for the two are:
HITSAT
1 29484U 06041F 08142.86916203 +.00324211 +47945-4 +47178-3 0 04012
2 29484 098.2572 258.0871 0056273 097.5006 263.2740 16.01986861094310
ANDE FCAL SPHERE 2
1 29667U 06055J 08142.92881198 +.00868814 +12235-4 +12308-3 0 09671
2 29667 051.6113 084.6635 0003578 283.6259 076.4348 16.3412104808235
73, Armando, N8IGJ
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:07:30 +0800
From: "Michael Chen, BD5RV" <bd5rv(AT)jsdxc.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Beiijing to Launch Amateur Radio Satellite for
Olympics ?
To: "Trevor" <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>, "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
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Hi, Trevor and all,
The new satellite is CAS-1. It has completed its frequency coordination.
Read the following url:
http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/formal_detail.asp?serial=108
The new amateur satellite has been finished. But we have to wait for other
payload to be finished before launch. The original planned launch is early
this year but that's not going to happen. Updated news is that it will be
launched in early 2009.
Michael, BD5RV/4
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> See
> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2008/beijing_satellite.htm
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> Lets hope they do.
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> 73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:27:32 -0400
From: "Bill Bruno" <billbruno(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite antennas for sale
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I'm getting out of the satellite portion of the hobby. I have 3 antennas to
sell at about half the cost, pick up only. Contact me off line if
interested.
Gulf Alpha 2M-5ELSAT and M2 436 CP30. Also have an Arrow antenna.
Bill
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM satellites...
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Hi!
It is interesting to see all the messages and opinions on
the "Organized Chaos" thread(s), and similar threads in the
past, when it comes to the FM satellites. Sad, also.
FM satellites, whether you want to accept this fact or not,
serve as the entry point for those interested in satellites
but not interested in a large outlay of $$$ for a satellite
station. Many hams have the gear - a 2m/70cm FM dual-band
transceiver, or separate 2m and 70cm FM transceivers - to
give this a try. Some try it, make a few contacts, and go
away. Others stick with it, never progressing beyond these
satellites but enjoying hearing other people who come and go
on these passes. Some go on to assemble nice stations for
use with all sorts of satellites (I want to do this, once my
situation stabilizes in the next few months). AO-51 provides
opportunities to try something other than 2m and 70cm, a nice
resource for those building stations for use with future
satellites using 1.2 or 2.4 GHz or digital modes for example.
AO-16 has been a nice challenge, with its 70cm DSB downlink -
especially when using a portable station without the benefit of
computer control. Although I have been unsuccessful in my
attempts to make QSOs via VO-52 with my portable gear, I have
not given up on that satellite.
Here in North America, there are some crowded passes that don't
allow for much more than an exchange of call signs and grid
locators - not unlike working a big DXpedition or contest station
on HF. Other passes have maybe a couple of other stations, and
those are fun for having a little more of a chat to make use of
the pass. There are people who will work an HF contest for up to
48 hours, with very little communication going on there - an
enjoyable activity to them. Look at the results in CQ magazine
for their big international contests, or the ARRL web site and
QST for the ARRL contests, to see that. Others like me enjoy
getting on the satellites for 10 to 15 minutes at a time, working
whoever happens to show up. For me, it has been much easier to
make time for these passes than to work any significant portion
of a weekend HF contest.
I see in the QSL cards I receive lots of "thanks for my first
satellite QSO" or "thanks for my first Arizona satellite QSO" or
"thanks for a new grid (or new grids)". My log has well over 600
unique calls in the 3800+ satellite QSOs I have made in the past
2 1/2 years, from dozens of locations in 4 states and almost 20
different grids. Sure, there are some who show up regularly, and
those stations have been very helpful to the new operators. We
need more of that. I've also engaged in lots of e-mail exchanges
with those just starting out, giving suggestions and advice for
those wanting to get started or wanting to improve on their
stations.
As for those who insist that FM satellite operation is about equal
to the same degree of difficulty to cell phone operation... I'd
like to know what cell phone requires one to adjust the receive
frequency to deal with Doppler when making or receiving calls,
for example. I don't remember seeing a VFO on my Nokia phone,
either. A computer-controlled station takes care of the
frequencies and antennas, allowing the operator to just make
contacts - but this is hardly an "apples to apples" comparison
with using a cell phone. If this was the case, that FM satellite
operation was as difficult (easy) as cell-phone operation, why are
demonstrations and presentations at hamfests and clubs popular
events? We can build large and complex stations that many people
think of for satellite operation, but there is the other extreme
(handheld radio with handheld Yagi or long telescoping whip, for
example) - like those using a used 100W rig with a dipole on HF,
compared to towers and big Yagis and new rigs with amplifiers.
I have read about those who used to travel all over, putting many
different grids on the air in the past. There are some like N5AFV,
W6GMT, and KD6PAG here in the US (among many others) who have done
this for a long time and still enjoy doing that. I've done a little
bit of that in recent months, operating from 11 different Arizona
grids since March. There are a few Mexican hams who have been doing
the same thing - XE2AT and XE1MEX have done this for a long time; in
recent times add stations like XE2HWB, XE2JA, and XE2RV (among many
others) who are doing the same thing in their areas. All of this
is happening on the FM satellites. Why do we do this? Because it
is fun!
Would I like to have a high-orbit satellite to use? Sure! I
would enjoy the opportunity to travel and put grids on the air
for those outside of North America to hear and work. I would
enjoy hearing other continents without dealing with propagation
as on HF. I was not around this part of the hobby for the days
of AO-10, AO-13, and AO-40. Like everyone else, I'm hoping to
see P3E, Eagle, and the Intelsat-AMSAT venture (or anything else)
put a high-orbit bird into operation. Until then, I will use what
we have now - the FM birds, work on my station for VO-52 and AO-7
(I've heard myself in SSB through VO-52, but have to work better
on hearing myself clearly on the downlink when transmitting when
not using computer control), and have fun.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
(going to DM44 and maybe the DM43/DM44 line northeast of Phoenix
on 24-26 May, then I'm off to a hamfest DM34 in the morning followed
by DM25/DM35 in the evening on 31 May - all on FM satellites, with
maybe a try for VO-52 during the upcoming weekend for my first
non-FM satellite QSO)
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