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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FM satellites... (Michael Tondee)
2. SEEDS II CW report (andy thomas)
3. Re: Satellite antennas for sale (Stephen Melachrinos)
4. Satellite antennas for sale. more info (Bill Bruno)
5. ANDE FCAL Re-entry (Armando Mercado)
6. SatPC32 Icom706 Subtone enable for AO-51 (Robert L Lasso)
7. Re: ANDE FCAL Re-entry (Larry Gerhardstein)
8. Phase 3-E Launch date? (Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF)
9. UNIVERSAT symposium. Moscow. (John Hackett)
10. Moscow Space Symposium. (John Hackett)
11. satellite antennas for sale (Bill Bruno)
12. Re: SatPC32 Icom706 Subtone enable for AO-51 (Erich Eichmann)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:18:15 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FM satellites...
To: <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000901c8bc51$598e4cd0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
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Patrick,
A very well thought out and presented case for FM sats but it will fall on
deaf ears as far as the critics are concerned. It's easier to grouse about
not having HEO's than to just try and make the best of the situation we
have. I wasn't around for the previous generation of HEO's either and I
dearly wish I had been or that we had some now but we don't so I just try
and enjoy what's up there.
Judging by some recent comments on this list, it doesn't look like we will
be seeing P3E anytime soon so the HEO outlook doesn't look too bright right
now. I had hoped it would be launched at the end of this year as had been
previously speculated but it now appears that was an overly optomistic
assesment.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM satellites...
> Hi!
>
> It is interesting to see all the messages and opinions on
> the "Organized Chaos" thread(s), and similar threads in the
> past, when it comes to the FM satellites. Sad, also.
>
> FM satellites, whether you want to accept this fact or not,
> serve as the entry point for those interested in satellites
> but not interested in a large outlay of $$$ for a satellite
> station. Many hams have the gear - a 2m/70cm FM dual-band
> transceiver, or separate 2m and 70cm FM transceivers - to
> give this a try. Some try it, make a few contacts, and go
> away. Others stick with it, never progressing beyond these
> satellites but enjoying hearing other people who come and go
> on these passes. Some go on to assemble nice stations for
> use with all sorts of satellites (I want to do this, once my
> situation stabilizes in the next few months). AO-51 provides
> opportunities to try something other than 2m and 70cm, a nice
> resource for those building stations for use with future
> satellites using 1.2 or 2.4 GHz or digital modes for example.
> AO-16 has been a nice challenge, with its 70cm DSB downlink -
> especially when using a portable station without the benefit of
> computer control. Although I have been unsuccessful in my
> attempts to make QSOs via VO-52 with my portable gear, I have
> not given up on that satellite.
>
> Here in North America, there are some crowded passes that don't
> allow for much more than an exchange of call signs and grid
> locators - not unlike working a big DXpedition or contest station
> on HF. Other passes have maybe a couple of other stations, and
> those are fun for having a little more of a chat to make use of
> the pass. There are people who will work an HF contest for up to
> 48 hours, with very little communication going on there - an
> enjoyable activity to them. Look at the results in CQ magazine
> for their big international contests, or the ARRL web site and
> QST for the ARRL contests, to see that. Others like me enjoy
> getting on the satellites for 10 to 15 minutes at a time, working
> whoever happens to show up. For me, it has been much easier to
> make time for these passes than to work any significant portion
> of a weekend HF contest.
>
> I see in the QSL cards I receive lots of "thanks for my first
> satellite QSO" or "thanks for my first Arizona satellite QSO" or
> "thanks for a new grid (or new grids)". My log has well over 600
> unique calls in the 3800+ satellite QSOs I have made in the past
> 2 1/2 years, from dozens of locations in 4 states and almost 20
> different grids. Sure, there are some who show up regularly, and
> those stations have been very helpful to the new operators. We
> need more of that. I've also engaged in lots of e-mail exchanges
> with those just starting out, giving suggestions and advice for
> those wanting to get started or wanting to improve on their
> stations.
>
> As for those who insist that FM satellite operation is about equal
> to the same degree of difficulty to cell phone operation... I'd
> like to know what cell phone requires one to adjust the receive
> frequency to deal with Doppler when making or receiving calls,
> for example. I don't remember seeing a VFO on my Nokia phone,
> either. A computer-controlled station takes care of the
> frequencies and antennas, allowing the operator to just make
> contacts - but this is hardly an "apples to apples" comparison
> with using a cell phone. If this was the case, that FM satellite
> operation was as difficult (easy) as cell-phone operation, why are
> demonstrations and presentations at hamfests and clubs popular
> events? We can build large and complex stations that many people
> think of for satellite operation, but there is the other extreme
> (handheld radio with handheld Yagi or long telescoping whip, for
> example) - like those using a used 100W rig with a dipole on HF,
> compared to towers and big Yagis and new rigs with amplifiers.
>
> I have read about those who used to travel all over, putting many
> different grids on the air in the past. There are some like N5AFV,
> W6GMT, and KD6PAG here in the US (among many others) who have done
> this for a long time and still enjoy doing that. I've done a little
> bit of that in recent months, operating from 11 different Arizona
> grids since March. There are a few Mexican hams who have been doing
> the same thing - XE2AT and XE1MEX have done this for a long time; in
> recent times add stations like XE2HWB, XE2JA, and XE2RV (among many
> others) who are doing the same thing in their areas. All of this
> is happening on the FM satellites. Why do we do this? Because it
> is fun!
>
> Would I like to have a high-orbit satellite to use? Sure! I
> would enjoy the opportunity to travel and put grids on the air
> for those outside of North America to hear and work. I would
> enjoy hearing other continents without dealing with propagation
> as on HF. I was not around this part of the hobby for the days
> of AO-10, AO-13, and AO-40. Like everyone else, I'm hoping to
> see P3E, Eagle, and the Intelsat-AMSAT venture (or anything else)
> put a high-orbit bird into operation. Until then, I will use what
> we have now - the FM birds, work on my station for VO-52 and AO-7
> (I've heard myself in SSB through VO-52, but have to work better
> on hearing myself clearly on the downlink when transmitting when
> not using computer control), and have fun.
>
> 73!
>
>
>
> Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>
> (going to DM44 and maybe the DM43/DM44 line northeast of Phoenix
> on 24-26 May, then I'm off to a hamfest DM34 in the morning followed
> by DM25/DM35 in the evening on 31 May - all on FM satellites, with
> maybe a try for VO-52 during the upcoming weekend for my first
> non-FM satellite QSO)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:37:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: andy thomas <andythomasmail(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SEEDS II CW report
To: amsat <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Cc: seeds_message(AT)forth.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp
Message-ID: <582309.57745.qm(AT)web25601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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SEEDS II heard on CW:
At 2050 +/_ UTC
000000014d6v7vv03v
jqiyga seeds g4 01 fe r0 sa d33 fr e9 av 009 000 000 067 422 60f ad4 699 b26
possibly, then lost in noise
cw copied manually from .wav file, the groupngs are how they appeared to me, I
haven't checked tlm format.
RIG: IC910H doppler corrected by Ham Radio Deluxe, switched to usb on 437.484
(was expecting packet on FM). WiMo 70cm RHCP helix no preamp, fixed el/az to
max-el. Locator: IO92 NL
I cannot send the WAV file throug h the website and will send a qsl card to:
Nakamura & Miyazaki Laboratry
Nihon University College of Science and Technology
Department of Aerospace Engineering
7-24-1 Narashino-dai Funabashi-city Chiba 274-8501 Chiba Japan
73 de andy G0SFJ
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:42:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: Stephen Melachrinos <melachri(AT)verizon.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite antennas for sale
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<16238544.4780991211492577782.JavaMail.root(AT)vms229.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Bill -
With all due respect, since you require "pick up only" it would be a lot
easier for buyers to gauge interest if you included your address (or at least
region) or even your callsign (so that they could look you up on QRZ).
Steve
W3HF
>I'm getting out of the satellite portion of the hobby. I have 3 antennas to
>sell at about half the cost, pick up only. Contact me off line if
>interested.
> Gulf Alpha 2M-5ELSAT and M2 436 CP30. Also have an Arrow antenna.
>Bill
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:17:59 -0400
From: "Bill Bruno" <billbruno(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satellite antennas for sale. more info
To: "Amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <02f401c8bc51$50018970$0300a8c0(AT)billslaptop>
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My call KB2RC, Antennas are Located in Orlando Florida. Sorry for the
omission.
Bill
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:14:53 -0400
From: "Armando Mercado" <am25544(AT)triton.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANDE FCAL Re-entry
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000801c8bcd7$d05b1600$3a11acd1(AT)hppav>
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Hello,
Space Track is now predicting ANDE FCAL re-entry this
Sunday, May 25 at 1120 UTC +/- 14 hours.
Predicted location of re-entry is 42.9 N 59E.
ANDE FCAL (NO-62) altitude is less than 108 miles. Beacon
is 437.385MHz and doppler is amazing on an overhead pass.
ANDE FCAL SPHERE 2
1 29667U 06055J 08144.15059494 .01241272 12319-4 12424-3 0 9692
2 29667 051.6119 077.8021 0003880 260.9751 099.0908 16.37292428 82558
73, Armando N8IGJ
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:43:23 -0600
From: Robert L Lasso <rlasso(AT)zianet.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Icom706 Subtone enable for AO-51
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <4836D80B.3040102(AT)zianet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I am using SatPC32 to control a pair of IC706MkIIG's. The CAT control
with the SubTone "T" feature does not enable the subtone when trying to
use AO-51. I enable the sub tone on the IC706 Uplink xcvr, toggle the T
button to T1, but as soon as CAT control changes the frequency to allow
for doppler shift, the tone function is disabled in the xcvr by the
program even though T1 in the program is still enabled. What is the
correct instruction code to enter in the SubTone.SQF file in SatPC32 for
the IC706. The current command line in the file reads: AO-51,67.0,$3F,1.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
73, Robert W6RQR
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:55:21 -0600
From: "Larry Gerhardstein" <larry(AT)3-cities.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ANDE FCAL Re-entry
To: "Armando Mercado" <am25544(AT)triton.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <000601c8bce5$06abe380$0300a8c0(AT)hop>
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I am curious how the location of re-entry can be predicted with such
accuracy when the time of re-entry is only known within +/- 14 hours?
Larry W7IN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando Mercado" <am25544(AT)triton.net>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:14 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANDE FCAL Re-entry
> Hello,
> Space Track is now predicting ANDE FCAL re-entry this
> Sunday, May 25 at 1120 UTC +/- 14 hours.
> Predicted location of re-entry is 42.9 N 59E.
>
> ANDE FCAL (NO-62) altitude is less than 108 miles. Beacon
> is 437.385MHz and doppler is amazing on an overhead pass.
>
> ANDE FCAL SPHERE 2
> 1 29667U 06055J 08144.15059494 .01241272 12319-4 12424-3 0 9692
> 2 29667 051.6119 077.8021 0003880 260.9751 099.0908 16.37292428 82558
>
> 73, Armando N8IGJ
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:58:55 -0400
From: "Keith Baker KB1SF/VA3KSF" <kb1sf(AT)kcbassociates.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Phase 3-E Launch date?
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c8bced$e94d7de0$667ba8c0(AT)Pavillion767>
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Greetings All!
Does anyone have any word regarding the final integration and actual launch
dates for Phase 3-E? Was anything about Phase 3-D discussed at Dayton?
Everything I'm reading on the AMSAT-DL Web site is devoid of any firm launch
dates and the AMSAT-NA Web site simply says "January 2009".
How firm is that date? Has a launch contract been let?
73,
Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
Past President
AMSAT-NA
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:49:12 +0200
From: John Hackett <archie.hackett(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] UNIVERSAT symposium. Moscow.
To: "Eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com" <eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Cc: zaitsev(AT)izmiran.ru, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, John Heath
<g7hia(AT)btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BLU138-W30F3CA6911665E60C9FCC291C10(AT)phx.gbl>
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Al,
Please add this notice to Observations.
..............................................................................
..............
Call for papers. UNIVERSAT Space Symposium. Moscow,
Members of EU-Amsat, Amsat-UK, Amsat-NA and anyone else interested in Amateur
radio satellites are cordially invited to submit papers on space related
subjects - particularly cubesats in education - to The third International
Symposium UNIVERSAT-2008, which is organised by the Skobeltsyn Institute Of
Nuclear Physics, Lomonosov Moscow State University - which will take place on
September the 1st to the 6th, 2008 at the Conference Halls of The Moscow State
University Boarding Houses in Zvenigorod, Moscow Region, Russian Federation.
Details can be seen at <http://cosmos.msu.ru/universat2008/>
Papers and/or queries should be submitted to Alezander Zeitsev RW3DZ
<zaitsev(AT)izmiran.ru>
The deadline for papers is May the 31st but extensions may be possible.
This is an excellent forum for satellite interested individuals to take part
in an international space symposium as well as discuss the possibility and
prospects for future projects and launch opportunities.
On behalf of RW3DZ and the forthcoming space symposium ...
73 John. <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>
Homepage: <http://www.observations.biz>
This notice is submitted to EU-Amsat and the Amsat-bb.
It also appears on http://www.observations.biz
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:02:18 +0200
From: John Hackett <archie.hackett(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Moscow Space Symposium.
To: "Eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com" <eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <BLU138-W311A659FA8C7A8A1565B8991C10(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Notabene ... (NB, to you!).
Regarding contacting Alexander Zaitsev for the Moscow Space Symposium.
If the (AT)izmiran.ru address bounces your mail ... you may use this one.
zait007(AT)rambler.ru
73 John. <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:07:17 -0400
From: "Bill Bruno" <billbruno(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] satellite antennas for sale
To: "Amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <03ea01c8bcff$d6b270c0$0300a8c0(AT)billslaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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The Arrow antenna has been sold. Thanks for all the inquires.
Bill KB2RC
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:09:25 +0200
From: "Erich Eichmann" <erich.eichmann(AT)t-online.de>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SatPC32 Icom706 Subtone enable for AO-51
To: "Robert L Lasso" <rlasso(AT)zianet.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <0472AD7A88D545CBA41DB66787B125D3(AT)HildaEichmanPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hello Robert,
I will answer your question off the list.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L Lasso" <rlasso(AT)zianet.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 Icom706 Subtone enable for AO-51
>I am using SatPC32 to control a pair of IC706MkIIG's. The CAT control
> with the SubTone "T" feature does not enable the subtone when trying to
> use AO-51. I enable the sub tone on the IC706 Uplink xcvr, toggle the T
> button to T1, but as soon as CAT control changes the frequency to allow
> for doppler shift, the tone function is disabled in the xcvr by the
> program even though T1 in the program is still enabled. What is the
> correct instruction code to enter in the SubTone.SQF file in SatPC32 for
> the IC706. The current command line in the file reads: AO-51,67.0,$3F,1.
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 73, Robert W6RQR
> _______________________________________________
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