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Today's Topics:
1. OT - Books for extra (Ed Tump)
2. Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations (Ernie Howard)
3. Re: ISS Payload opportunity announced
(Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR])
4. Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations (Dale-KL7XJ)
5. SATPC32 version 12.8 SuM glitch? (Alan P. Biddle)
6. you guys look bad (Jim Danehy)
7. Re: you guys look bad (Alan P. Biddle)
8. Re: you guys look bad (Stephan Andre')
9. Re: ISS Payload opportunity announced (Rick Mann)
10. Re: you guys look bad (i8cvs)
11. Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations (i8cvs)
12. Re: you guys look bad (Nate Duehr)
13. Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations (Michael Tondee)
14. Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations (Stargate)
15. Re: AO-51 2nd Repeater (Michael Tondee)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:17:42 -0500
From: "Ed Tump" <ed(AT)squaretfarm.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] OT - Books for extra
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000001c8c1b8$4ac3fa80$e04bef80$(AT)com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Folks,
I am going to be studying for my extra class next month. Any pro and cons of
differences you may know in the study books by Gordon West or ARRL?
Thanks.
73,
Ed
KC9GWK
Grid EN52
AmSat Member
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:17:23 -0400
From: Ernie Howard <w8eh.Ernie(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <483F0F53.5080001(AT)gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Amen, there is an excess on here for some reason. Maybe the reason is they
have too much idle time and are not doing anything productive?
Ernie
Robert Bruninga wrote:
>> There seems to be a proliferation of satellites
>> using the Amateur bands as cheap down links,
>> and using Radio Amateurs as a cheap way of
>> collecting their data. It is MY personal belief
>> that a satellite should only use our hard-earned
>> and much coveted frequencies if they REALLY do
>> carry an Amateur Radio payload... I.E.
>> a Transponder!
>
> While I too like to see transponders, I do not like to see all
> the negativizim, hate and rabble-rousing against those who
> actually get something into space. The self-richeous nay-saying
> comments are about as practical as these:
>
> "Those HF contesters should not be using the Amateur Bands, they
> should be passing useful communications or traffic!"
>
> "Those Traffic passers are not real amateur operators, because
> they will not respond with QSL's!"
>
> "Those old fud rag chewers on HF think they own the frequency.
> They should let others use the frequency for more useful
> communications"
>
> "Those FM commuters are just wasting air time, saying the same
> old thing every day. Why don't they just use a cell phone!"
>
> "Those AM guys are just wasting 6 KHz of spectrum, they should
> be made illegal on the amateur bands"
>
> "Who wants to look at all those SSTV pictures, Its just the
> same old post-card! They should not be using 3 KHz of bandwidth
> for such stupid applications"...
>
> "Those Winlink guys are killing amateur radio by turning the
> bands into an automatic communications system."
>
> "Those Echolink and IRLP links are bad for ham radio. Why don't
> they just use HF or a phone if they want to talk to someone far
> away."
>
> "Those Radio control Airplanes operating on the Amateur band
> should never be there, they are not communications".
>
> "Those experimental Balloons just transmit pictures and
> telemetry, without a transponder, they have no purpose in
> Amateur Radio"
>
> And on and on...
>
> Face, it.. Ham radio is as rich in applications as there are
> innovative and resourceful people. If you want something done,
> then go do it. If you don't like what others are doing with
> their hobby, then get out of the way.
>
> Public negativizim and constant complaining never accomplishes
> anything except darken our collective hobby. Save that for the
> politicians who are supposed to respond to their constituents.
> For a hobby that is just the collective "us" with each licensed
> individual having the same equal opportunities as everyone else,
> complaining about what others do is just pointless.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
------------------------------------------------------
Ernie Howard, Jr W8EH Middletown, Ohio
E-mail: w8eh(AT)arrl.net
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:21:29 -0500
From: "Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR]" <kenneth.g.ransom(AT)nasa.gov>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS Payload opportunity announced
To: "Rick Mann" <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>, <andythomasmail(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: amsat <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID:
<A2862DA1C49F4145AF6C2A452829403501A5A73E(AT)NDJSEVS21A.ndc.nasa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I think Andy was looking more at the second half of the info.
Payload Guidelines for future Space Adventures missions:
Payloads shall be limited to approximately Five kg in weight and fit
within the following approximate dimensions: 25 x 25 x 40 cm.
Payload may be powered by flight qualified batteries or 28V DC station
power.
All payloads must be safety qualified to ISS payload flight
qualification requirements.
All U.S. payload customers are responsible for U.S. export compliance.
Three duplicate payload units must be submitted for payload
qualification and flight.
Payload experiment data can be returned in the form of still images,
flash memory cards, videos or hand written notes.
Small amounts of experiment results may be returned to Earth within 8-15
days or six months following launch.
Kenneth - N5VHO
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)AMSAT.Org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)AMSAT.Org] On
Behalf Of Rick Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:44 PM
To: andythomasmail(AT)yahoo.co.uk
Cc: amsat
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS Payload opportunity announced
On May 29, 2008, at 00:28:33, andy thomas wrote:
> Payloads must be ready for shipment to Russia no later than March 3,
> 2008.
A bit late, no?
--
Rick
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:42:55 -0800
From: Dale-KL7XJ <daleh(AT)alaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
To: Ernie Howard <w8eh.Ernie(AT)gmail.com>
Cc: "amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org" <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <483F154F.7060803(AT)alaska.net>
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Ernie Howard wrote:
> Amen, there is an excess on here for some reason. Maybe the reason is they
> have too much idle time and are not doing anything productive?
>
> Ernie
>
> Robert Bruninga wrote:
>
>>> There seems to be a proliferation of satellites
>>> using the Amateur bands as cheap down links,
>>> and using Radio Amateurs as a cheap way of
>>> collecting their data. It is MY personal belief
>>> that a satellite should only use our hard-earned
>>> and much coveted frequencies if they REALLY do
>>> carry an Amateur Radio payload... I.E.
>>> a Transponder!
>>>
>> While I too like to see transponders, I do not like to see all
>> the negativizim, hate and rabble-rousing against those who
>> actually get something into space. The self-richeous nay-saying
>> comments are about as practical as these:
>>
>> "Those HF contesters should not be using the Amateur Bands, they
>> should be passing useful communications or traffic!"
>>
>> "Those Traffic passers are not real amateur operators, because
>> they will not respond with QSL's!"
>>
>> "Those old fud rag chewers on HF think they own the frequency.
>> They should let others use the frequency for more useful
>> communications"
>>
>> "Those FM commuters are just wasting air time, saying the same
>> old thing every day. Why don't they just use a cell phone!"
>>
>> "Those AM guys are just wasting 6 KHz of spectrum, they should
>> be made illegal on the amateur bands"
>>
>> "Who wants to look at all those SSTV pictures, Its just the
>> same old post-card! They should not be using 3 KHz of bandwidth
>> for such stupid applications"...
>>
>> "Those Winlink guys are killing amateur radio by turning the
>> bands into an automatic communications system."
>>
>> "Those Echolink and IRLP links are bad for ham radio. Why don't
>> they just use HF or a phone if they want to talk to someone far
>> away."
>>
>> "Those Radio control Airplanes operating on the Amateur band
>> should never be there, they are not communications".
>>
>> "Those experimental Balloons just transmit pictures and
>> telemetry, without a transponder, they have no purpose in
>> Amateur Radio"
>>
>> And on and on...
>>
>> Face, it.. Ham radio is as rich in applications as there are
>> innovative and resourceful people. If you want something done,
>> then go do it. If you don't like what others are doing with
>> their hobby, then get out of the way.
>>
>> Public negativizim and constant complaining never accomplishes
>> anything except darken our collective hobby. Save that for the
>> politicians who are supposed to respond to their constituents.
>> For a hobby that is just the collective "us" with each licensed
>> individual having the same equal opportunities as everyone else,
>> complaining about what others do is just pointless.
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>
>
Well put! Bob,
The negative attitudes expressed on the bb does nothing but confuse
and discourage newbies.
Thanks.
Dale _ KL7XJ
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:00:15 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SATPC32 version 12.8 SuM glitch?
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <1F164F3506F947CA9728F92B5A9DE7D3(AT)WA4SCA>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi,
I have been working through the new 12.8 version, and so far everything is
working perfectly, with one possible exception. When I start the SuM
program, I get an error message, "datei nicht gefunden" (Data not found).
When I clear the error message, SuM runs, but the data is clearly not for my
QTH. The SuMListen program works fine, and the data is consistent with
another program known to be correct.
Could someone with version 12.8 installed try the SuM program and see what
you get? I am not a moon bounce person, so my interest is purely academic.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:31:55 -0400
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] you guys look bad
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <29CA891A06DB432E9339597B9AFC64CF(AT)JamesPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I joined the AMSAT BB about a week ago. I was looking for some technical
assistance . . . I normally do not subscribe to "reflectors" ( bulletin
boards). . . . I now have a reminder why I refrain from doing that.
I have been able to get some excellent ideas about what I am trying to do
personally with my station. Thanks to those who have written me.
A little more of the belly aching and I will pull the darn plug . . . I
wonder if there is this type of complaining on EME associated bulletin boards
?
Jim W9VNE
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:06:23 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: you guys look bad
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <4B58DA486DCC4D728E73563948E6239A(AT)WA4SCA>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Jim,
As with any BB, forum, or mailing list, topics blow hot and cold, with
highly variable signal to noise ratios. Might I respectfully suggest you
give us a bit more time, say a few months, before passing judgment?
Alan
WA4SCA
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:12:14 -0400
From: "Stephan Andre'" <andres(AT)msu.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: you guys look bad
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <200805291812.14997.andres(AT)msu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Thursday 29 May 2008 17:31:55 Jim Danehy wrote:
> I joined the AMSAT BB about a week ago. I was looking for some technical
> assistance . . . I normally do not subscribe to "reflectors" ( bulletin
> boards). . . . I now have a reminder why I refrain from doing that.
>
> I have been able to get some excellent ideas about what I am trying to do
> personally with my station. Thanks to those who have written me.
>
> A little more of the belly aching and I will pull the darn plug . . . I
> wonder if there is this type of complaining on EME associated bulletin
> boards ?
>
> Jim W9VNE
Jim, Most of the lists I'm on reflect that wide variety of human attributes,
including such as great helpers and constant whiners. It's what you get
when dealing with a clump of humans. Yes, there is squabbling at times
on EME mailing lists. The biggest contention there, as far as I can tell is
the idea of whether digital modes like WSJT is a good idea, if its compatible
in contests with other modes, etc.
Just like all the other lists I'm on, there are folks who disagree. You
don't want lists that are all sweetness, do you?
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en82
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:38:46 -0700
From: Rick Mann <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS Payload opportunity announced
To: andythomasmail(AT)yahoo.co.uk
Cc: amsat Org <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <1FC482F3-2A72-49B5-8AA9-B4D84771247F(AT)latencyzero.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On May 29, 2008, at 12:26:27, andy thomas wrote:
> Yes, like I said in the posting, the offer is available for the next
> missions. Andeverything is negotaible.
Ah! Sorry, I missed that :-)
--
Rick
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:40:22 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: you guys look bad
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00ac01c8c1dc$fb53d400$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Jim, W9VNE
In the EME associated bulletin boards you don't have this type of
complaining because it is not necessary to put the moon into orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:31 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] you guys look bad
> I joined the AMSAT BB about a week ago. I was looking for some technical
assistance . . . I normally do not subscribe to "reflectors" ( bulletin
boards). . . . I now have a reminder why I refrain from doing that.
>
> I have been able to get some excellent ideas about what I am trying to do
personally with my station. Thanks to those who have written me.
>
> A little more of the belly aching and I will pull the darn plug . . . I
wonder if there is this type of complaining on EME associated bulletin
boards ?
>
> Jim W9VNE
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:39:55 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
To: "Bob Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00a601c8c1dc$eb83abe0$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
> > There seems to be a proliferation of satellites
> > using the Amateur bands as cheap down links,
> > and using Radio Amateurs as a cheap way of
> > collecting their data. It is MY personal belief
> > that a satellite should only use our hard-earned
> > and much coveted frequencies if they REALLY do
> > carry an Amateur Radio payload... I.E.
> > a Transponder!
>
> While I too like to see transponders, I do not like to see all
> the negativizim, hate and rabble-rousing against those who
> actually get something into space. The self-richeous nay-saying
> comments are about as practical as these:
>
> "Those HF contesters should not be using the Amateur Bands, they
> should be passing useful communications or traffic!"
>
> "Those Traffic passers are not real amateur operators, because
> they will not respond with QSL's!"
>
> "Those old fud rag chewers on HF think they own the frequency.
> They should let others use the frequency for more useful
> communications"
>
> "Those FM commuters are just wasting air time, saying the same
> old thing every day. Why don't they just use a cell phone!"
>
> "Those AM guys are just wasting 6 KHz of spectrum, they should
> be made illegal on the amateur bands"
>
> "Who wants to look at all those SSTV pictures, Its just the
> same old post-card! They should not be using 3 KHz of bandwidth
> for such stupid applications"...
>
> "Those Winlink guys are killing amateur radio by turning the
> bands into an automatic communications system."
>
> "Those Echolink and IRLP links are bad for ham radio. Why don't
> they just use HF or a phone if they want to talk to someone far
> away."
>
> "Those Radio control Airplanes operating on the Amateur band
> should never be there, they are not communications".
>
> "Those experimental Balloons just transmit pictures and
> telemetry, without a transponder, they have no purpose in
> Amateur Radio"
>
> And on and on...
>
> Face, it.. Ham radio is as rich in applications as there are
> innovative and resourceful people. If you want something done,
> then go do it. If you don't like what others are doing with
> their hobby, then get out of the way.
>
> Public negativizim and constant complaining never accomplishes
> anything except darken our collective hobby. Save that for the
> politicians who are supposed to respond to their constituents.
> For a hobby that is just the collective "us" with each licensed
> individual having the same equal opportunities as everyone else,
> complaining about what others do is just pointless.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
Hi Bob, WB4APR
You cannot get out of the way those Amateur Radio users actually requesting
OSCAR's Satellites with on board transponders because the Amateur Satellite
Service started when in 1972 OSCAR-6 was launched and thousand's of the
above maltreated and by you offended HF users decided to abandone the
Amateur Service to enter into a more bright and promising Amateur Satellite
Service.
The above thousand's HF users invested worldwide a lot of money and a lot
of efforts to convert their HF stations into VHF/UHF/SHF Satellite Stations
with the purpose to get a more communication efficiency against the problems
due of propagation using short waves.
Without the above prerequisite the Amateur Satellite Service never would
had spring up.
Read please this "Brief History" written into page-1 of the AMSAT-UK
OSCAR-13 Operations and Technical Handbook 1989
"Amateur radio satellites have gone through three phases; phase 1:
experimentation to find the possible; phase 2: long life, low orbit
satellites to gain experience; and phase 3: high altitude orbits with
complex transponding and control systems.
Phase 1 started when OSCAR-1 was launched on 12 December 1961 and phase 2
was led by OSCAR-6 in October 1972. Amsat's first attemp for phase 3 (the
satellite known only as phase 3A ) failed when the experimental Ariane
rocked plunged into the South Atlantic in May 1980 . Amsat second attemp
for phase 3 partially succeeded in June 1993 when OSCAR-10 was released
into space . The world's radio amateurs after more than 10 years of low
orbit satellites and associated short visibility periods, at last tasted
Amsat's policy of equivalence to a permantly open 14 MHz band with
practically world wide communications.
OSCAR stands for Orbital Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio and a satellite is
a package equipped with solar cells, batteries, receivers, and transmitters,
aerials and control electronics.
The batteries are charged by the solar cells whenever the satellite is in
sunlight.
Signal received in part of one amateur band are retransmitted in part of
another amateur band.
Unlike terrestrial, single frequency, analog repeaters ,the satellite relay
system (called a transponder ) will translate linearly any type of
narrow-band signal such as CW, SSB, RTTY, NBFM, or AM although only
the first four are recommended, being power-efficient and RF low duty cycle
--------------------
Bob,
This is why the above thousands Satellite Experimenter's and User's
mostly coming from the HF are actually waiting for P3-E and her
transponders. Read again please:
".................when OSCAR-10 was released into space . The world's radio
amateurs after more than 10 years of low orbit satellites and associated
short visibility periods, at last tasted Amsat's policy of equivalence to a
permantly open 14 MHz band with practically world wide communications."
I hope that the original unchanged AMSAT's policy will be now clear for
you.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
Past President
AMSAT-Italia
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:20:38 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: you guys look bad
To: Jim Danehy <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <85D4E17A-D864-4A61-AFA0-6222033F47A0(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On May 29, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I joined the AMSAT BB about a week ago. I was looking for some
> technical assistance . . . I normally do not subscribe to
> "reflectors" ( bulletin boards). . . . I now have a reminder why I
> refrain from doing that.
>
> I have been able to get some excellent ideas about what I am trying
> to do personally with my station. Thanks to those who have written me.
>
> A little more of the belly aching and I will pull the darn
> plug . . . I wonder if there is this type of complaining on EME
> associated bulletin boards ?
>
> Jim W9VNE
It comes and goes, Jim. Post a technical question and ignore the
whiners... is the best suggestion I can recommend...
There's some smart folks here. (NOT me!) GRIN...
--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate(AT)natetech.com
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:32:17 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, "Ransom,Kenneth
G. \(JSC-OC\)[BAR]" <kenneth.g.ransom(AT)nasa.gov>, <amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <018001c8c1e4$3bed70a0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I concur with Ken and Drew. This constant griping and complaining about
cubesats, FM sats, lack of HEO sats etc. etc. serves absolutely no purpose.
The sense of "entitlement" that some op's tend to display is embarassing
to the hobby as a whole. I'm constantly hearing how we need to expose more
young people to the hobby. What better way to do that than to help college
students out with a cubesat project? Should the prescense of a transponder
be a prerequisite for our knowledge and resources? Why does there
automatically have to be something in it for "us"?
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
To: "Ransom,Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR]" <kenneth.g.ransom(AT)nasa.gov>;
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR]" <kenneth.g.ransom(AT)nasa.gov>
>>
>>Seems that IF only a transmitter was included then you must not have
>>taken enough interest in seeing that more was included. Next time, you
>>should be willing to step up and ensure that a transceiver operation is
>>include. Try addressing the issue before the satellite leaves the launch
>>pad. If you still have no results, then you have a platform to complain
>>from.
>>
>>I'm also a bit concerned regarding the comment about "our frequencies".
>>Most of these satellites appear to be operating in the UHF spectrum
>>which amateur radio is not the primary or only group with allocations.
>>
>>Kenneth - N5VHO
>
> Well said Ken! Grumping about after the fact serves no useful purpose, and
> some of the comments I've seen seem very selfish and "me first". While it
> would be nice to have an open two-way package on RS-30, the designers and
> builders of that satellite in reality owe us nothing.
>
> Perhaps an interested group could offer to build or sponsor a transponder
> on the _next_ launch to that orbit?
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:36:11 -0400
From: "Stargate" <stargatesg1(AT)verizon.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
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Actually, I would like to put a different slant on it.
Collecting the data, even from a purely scientific mission,
gives hams a chance to provide valuable downlink time for LEO
satellites at all times.
As for me, this gives me the feeling of being part of the scientific
process.
just my .02 worth.
73's
RoD
KD0XX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]On
> Behalf Of Ernie Howard
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu
> Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: JUBILEE and other frustrations
>
>
> Amen, there is an excess on here for some reason. Maybe the
> reason is they
> have too much idle time and are not doing anything productive?
>
> Ernie
>
> Robert Bruninga wrote:
> >> There seems to be a proliferation of satellites
> >> using the Amateur bands as cheap down links,
> >> and using Radio Amateurs as a cheap way of
> >> collecting their data. It is MY personal belief
> >> that a satellite should only use our hard-earned
> >> and much coveted frequencies if they REALLY do
> >> carry an Amateur Radio payload... I.E.
> >> a Transponder!
> >
> > While I too like to see transponders, I do not like to see all
> > the negativizim, hate and rabble-rousing against those who
> > actually get something into space. The self-richeous nay-saying
> > comments are about as practical as these:
> >
> > "Those HF contesters should not be using the Amateur Bands, they
> > should be passing useful communications or traffic!"
> >
> > "Those Traffic passers are not real amateur operators, because
> > they will not respond with QSL's!"
> >
> > "Those old fud rag chewers on HF think they own the frequency.
> > They should let others use the frequency for more useful
> > communications"
> >
> > "Those FM commuters are just wasting air time, saying the same
> > old thing every day. Why don't they just use a cell phone!"
> >
> > "Those AM guys are just wasting 6 KHz of spectrum, they should
> > be made illegal on the amateur bands"
> >
> > "Who wants to look at all those SSTV pictures, Its just the
> > same old post-card! They should not be using 3 KHz of bandwidth
> > for such stupid applications"...
> >
> > "Those Winlink guys are killing amateur radio by turning the
> > bands into an automatic communications system."
> >
> > "Those Echolink and IRLP links are bad for ham radio. Why don't
> > they just use HF or a phone if they want to talk to someone far
> > away."
> >
> > "Those Radio control Airplanes operating on the Amateur band
> > should never be there, they are not communications".
> >
> > "Those experimental Balloons just transmit pictures and
> > telemetry, without a transponder, they have no purpose in
> > Amateur Radio"
> >
> > And on and on...
> >
> > Face, it.. Ham radio is as rich in applications as there are
> > innovative and resourceful people. If you want something done,
> > then go do it. If you don't like what others are doing with
> > their hobby, then get out of the way.
> >
> > Public negativizim and constant complaining never accomplishes
> > anything except darken our collective hobby. Save that for the
> > politicians who are supposed to respond to their constituents.
> > For a hobby that is just the collective "us" with each licensed
> > individual having the same equal opportunities as everyone else,
> > complaining about what others do is just pointless.
> >
> > Bob, WB4APR
> >
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> --
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Ernie Howard, Jr W8EH Middletown, Ohio
> E-mail: w8eh(AT)arrl.net
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:43:46 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 2nd Repeater
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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It was very enjoyable pass last night indeed. Much different than the other
repeater. Although I do somewhat enjoy the fast pace of the "chaos" over
there as well, it was nice to be able to hear myself clearly on the downlink
for an entire transmission!
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garie Halstead K8KFJ" <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 2nd Repeater
> --- "John Marranca, Jr" <KB2HSH(AT)amsat.org> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning, everyone.
>>
>> Thanks Drew, et al, for once again switching on
>> AO-51's QRP/Second Channel.
>>
>> It always makes for a nice change of pace, and
>> judging from last
>> night's pass over FN02, activity was quite good.
>
> Hello John. I hadn't been on the FM sats in a very
> long time but picked last night to jump on after
> hearing about the second repeater. It was a very
> orderly group totally devoid of the chaos I had
> remembered from years past. It was a totally
> enjoyable experience. I got my 2 Q's and let other
> have at it. I later heard KC8RAN, KC2LRC, W4HIJ and
> KB2HSH. My thanks to Jay AA4FL and Drew KO4MA for my
> contacts. The 2nd repeater worked very well indeed.
>
> 73, Gary -K8KFJ-
> West Virginia (EM98)
> AMSAT #32574
> Sat VUCC #125
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