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Today's Topics:
1. Timely reminder--AMSAT BOD nominations (Mark L. Hammond)
2. RS-30 APT (Mike Rupprecht)
3. WD9EWK's tentative operating schedule (31 May-1 June)
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
4. Re: N5AFV Planning Special Event Station Double Header
(Allen F. Mattis)
5. Re: Re grizzles (morsesat(AT)optonline.net)
6. Re: RS-30 APT (Dave hartzell)
7. Re: Re grizzles (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <n8mh(AT)embarqmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Timely reminder--AMSAT BOD nominations
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Given the current "lively" discussions about AMSAT-NA?(and
its?future)...please refer to the following:
>From our front page (and the Journal!): http://www.amsat.org/amsat-
new/index.php
I've mailed my nominations in---HAVE YOU??
73,
Mark N8MH
_______________
AMSAT BoD Nominations
Nominations are open for the AMSAT-NA Board of Directors (BoD).
The nominations must be in writing and received at the AMSAT office by end of
business June 15, 2008.
AMSAT-NA member societies or five current individual members may make
nominations of fellow members to serve a 2-year term. Three of the seven seats
must be filled this year. The board members whose terms are expiring are:
Tom Clark, K3IO
Lou McFadin, W5DID
Bob McGwier, N4HY
Prospective AMSAT-NA BOD members generally attend two meetings each year,
usually during the first and third quarters of the year. Attendance at the
meetings is mandatory. Travel expenses for BOD meetings are paid for by AMSAT-
NA.
Nominations must be in writing and mailed to:
AMSAT-NA
Board of Director Nomination
850 Sligo Ave #600
Silver Spring, MD 20910
The nominations with descriptive information about each candidate will be
mailed out July 15, 2008. Ballots must be received in Silver Spring,MD by
September 15, 2008.
Only active members as of July 24, 2008 are eligible to vote.
?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:08:59 +0200
From: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail(AT)mike-rupprecht.de>
Subject: [amsat-bb] RS-30 APT
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <000701c8c26f$78e7e180$6ab7a480$(AT)de>
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All,
on 435.315 MHz (FM) you can hear RS-30 APT transmission.
It looks like test pattern. See here:
http://www.dk3wn.info/images/rs30_apt_test.jpg
I used WXSat for decoding. Here is the section from wxsat.ini for decoding:
[Predefined 8]
Name=RS-30
Demodulation=1,1,0,1
AMParameters=3.000,2400.000,567.940,0.970,0.000100
FMParameters=1500.000,800.000,120.000
HSync=3,1040.000,2,2,0.0000,0.0500,0
Source=1,0.0000,1.0000,0.0000,1.0000
Amp=0.000,1.000,0.000,1.000
Display=2,0.250,1.000,1,0
Size=907,1.000
SubcarrierStart=1.000,12,12
StartTone1=300.0,1.00,4,1
StartTone2=675.0,1.00,4,1
StopTone=450.0,1.00,4,0
HeaderLines=2,0.050000,0.950000,800,0
NewFileName=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Palette=
Header0=
Header1=
HeaderN=
Thank you very much, David (GM8ARV) for pointing me in the right direction
:-)
73, Mike
DK3WN
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK's tentative operating schedule (31 May-1
June)
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <79556.44793.qm(AT)web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Hi all!
Here is a tentative plan for my satellite operating on Saturday
31 May (into early Sunday 1 June, UTC)...
>From the Prescott (Arizona) hamfest in grid DM34...
1439-1454 UTC - AO-51 145.920/435.300 MHz FM repeater
1619-1631 UTC - AO-51 145.920/435.300 MHz FM repeater
I hope to hear - and work - some of the other hamfests that
will have stations on the air.
I may also be able to try a VO-52 pass at 1754-1807 UTC, as
I will have a portable all-mode satellite station at the
hamfest. If you hear me on VO-52, please be patient with me.
I am not set up for computer control of my radios (FT-817ND
for TX, AOR AR8200Mk2B for RX) yet. I know this setup is good
enough to put signals through VO-52 from earlier tests.
>From the hamfest or somewhere else in the Prescott area, still
in grid DM34...
2128-2135 UTC - AO-27
2136-2148 UTC - SO-50
>From somewhere in grid DM35 or possibly on the DM34/DM35 grid
boundary north of Prescott near the I-40 freeway...
2308-2315 UTC - AO-27
2315-2329 UTC - SO-50
I should have more than enough time to work these two passes
at the DM34/DM35 boundary where I operated from on 19 April:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=35+0.00+n+112+23.132+w&jsv=10
7&ie=UTF8&ll=34.288992,-112.412109&spn=3.830102,7.734375&t=h&z=7
since this would leave me more than 2 hours to make the
110-mile/177km drive from that spot to Kingman for the evening
AO-51 passes.
>From the DM25/DM35 grid boundary, in or near Kingman AZ...
0149-0204 UTC - AO-51 145.880/435.150 MHz FM repeater
0329-0342 UTC - AO-51 145.880/435.150 MHz FM repeater
Since the two V/U FM repeater configuration on AO-51 is active,
I'm hoping to put it to some good use for these passes while I
am in an area with little satellite activity.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:59:33 -0500
From: "Allen F. Mattis" <afmattis(AT)hal-pc.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: N5AFV Planning Special Event Station Double
Header
To: "Ransom, Kenneth G. (JSC-OC)[BAR]" <kenneth.g.ransom(AT)nasa.gov>,
AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <auto-000495537582(AT)mail.hal-pc.org>
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Bummer.. Someone mislead me. Thanks for the correction. A map I have
says 1950 ft elevation for Enchanted Rock. I just checked Google
Earth and it gives a number closer to 1835 for the
elevation. Anyway, it will be fun and I'll give a shot tomorrow afternoon.
Allen
At 11:46 AM 5/30/2008, you wrote:
>Might want to re-check your geography on Enchanted rock. Mount Livermore
>(8,382 feet [2,555 metres]; also called Mount Baldy, or Baldy Peak) is
>the second highest point in Texas. Enchanted rock is only 1825 feet
>above sea level.
>
>Kenneth - N5VHO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
>Behalf Of Allen F Mattis
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:14 AM
>To: AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
>Subject: [amsat-bb] N5AFV Planning Special Event Station Double Header
>
>N5AFV Planning Special Event Station Double Header
>
>The week end of May 31st - June 1st, 2008, Allen, N5AFV, will operate
>two special event stations on the FM satellites from the Texas Hill
>Country.
>
>On Saturday, May 31st Allen plans to climb to the top of Enchanted
>Rock, the second highest point in the state of Texas, and operate two
>satellite passes using his W32A HT and AL800 telescoping antenna. The
>passes will be an AO-27 pass at 2121 UTC, and an SO-50 pass at 2135
>UTC. Enchanted Rock is a unique pink granite dome that rises 425 feet
>above the surrounding countryside. Tonkawa Indians named the granite
>dome Enchanted Rock because they believed that ghost fires flickered
>at the top and that a Spanish conquistador had cast a spell on the
>dome. A steep hiking trail 0.6 miles long provides access to the top
>of the dome. Enchanted Rock is located in Maidenhead grid square EM00
>and Allen will use his call sign, N5AFV, for the operation.
>
>The following day, June 1st, Ten-Ten International will hold its 20th
>annual (and final) Hill Country Picnic in Bulverde, Texas (Maidenhead
>grid square EL09). To commemorate the 20th and last Ten Ten
>International Hill County Picnic, Allen has been authorized to use the
>Ten Ten International club call sign, W6OI, on the OSCAR satellites on
>June 1st. Tentative plans include conducting a satellite demo for
>those attending the picnic, probably on the 2024 UTC pass of SO-50 or
>the 2052 UTC pass of AO-27. Other satellite passes will also be
>worked June 1st UTC time using the W6OI call sign.
>
>QSL information for both operations is to N5AFV with an SASE.
>_______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:29:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: morsesat(AT)optonline.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re grizzles
To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <e637f761940a.4840395d(AT)optonline.net>
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Ah...
Here in lies the learned experiences. I have gone to many HAMFESTS and I
always take an informal poll of operator, members, those concerned, those
asking questions- essentially- those that want to operate the satellites. I
always come up with the same majority who want to get HEO's up to operate - to
buy equipment to operate - to become interested enough to join AMSAT again and
to DONATE monies to get HEO's up and running. Yes, I have used many LEO's,
after a few conversations and the noise and carriers and the 10 minute pass,
it looses its appeal.
I admire those, including Bob Bruninga, that give us the APRS sats and packet
type sats. We are all the same- we want AMSAT to flourish with activity and
gain many members to accomplish future great projects that some members
haven't even thought of yet. Just today, I've had 2 conversations with those
that "used to be members" about those lost days of HEO's.
I think you all get what I am saying, you too Bob, that I have had so many
responsible views from would be members about what they want to have in orbit.
AMSAT, can only get to the meat of our new satellites to give them an appetite
to become involved.
In the meantime, our BB offers some of the best listener's for assistance and
experience.
73,
Dee, NB2F
Comment to me off line so as to NOT distract our new BB members, TNX
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bruninga
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:30 am
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re grizzles
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> > I learn that the most unfascinating thing
> > to the overwhelming majority is LEO satellites.
>
> Me thinks you skews the facts.
>
> If it is so "unfascinating", why is it the most popular mode?
>
> If it is an "overwhelming majority" that hate LEO's and that
> want Linear transponders, then why is it that the linear birds
> are so underutilized that many times it is impossible to find
> anyone on them?
>
> I think you confuse "Overwhelming majoirty" with loudest and
> most overbearing ad-nauseum complainers.
>
> Another way to look at it could be that the wall-to-wall users
> on the FM LEO's could also me considerd as a pretty loud
> "overwhelming majority" that completely refutes your claim.
> They are USING the bird and demonstrating it every day.
>
> Rather than complaining here with a keyboard, how about firing
> up your SSB rig, getting on the Linear birds and complain there.
> Put your mouth where your loyalty is. You would be at least
> using your favorite bird and mode and substantiating your claim,
> instead of arm chair complaining as a non user.
>
> Sure these linear birds are not HEO's, but they are multi-qso.
> And sure I'd like to drive a Corvette and would love for AMSAT
> to buy me one. But I don't think it is fair to complain year in
> and year out about why the few do'ers in AMSAT have not bought
> me one yet. (Though, these days, I'd rather have a Prius)...
>
> AMSAT is working on several initiatives to get HEO satellites.
> They know how valuable they are. Just stop bashing everyone
> else who finds it fun to work with what we have now.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
>
>
>
>
> > While they offer EZ sat
> > capability, a one channel unit doesn't peak the skills of a
> > conversation through staellites as on HF and VHF local
> > repeaters. HEO type birds offer a great deal more-
> > scheduling nets, and more contacts depending on the position
> > of the HEO.
> > Our members deserve information in a timely manner and this
> > BB offers that too. I beleive in "delete" buttons and I use
> > mine frequently with a grain of salt as needed.
> > The information gathered here is by far a more rewarding an
> > experience than any other distraction. Remember, our group
> > is as active as its membership.
> > See all in NJ at the BARA hamfest 5/31/08 in Westwood, NJ (&
> others)
> > 73,
> > Dee, NB2F
> > NJ AMSAT co-ordinator and promoter
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: don
> > Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:59 am
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re grizzles
> > To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> >
> > >
> > > I'm surprised that the trolling occurring on the BBS has
> aroused
> > > such
> > > strange reactions.
> > >
> > > Surely there is a place for all space endeavors to be
> discussed,
> > > rationally, on this BBS (nearly said BS there!).
> > >
> > > Personally speaking I have had great help from many on this
> > > list,
> > > including some whose (political/technical) views differ from
> mine.
> > >
> > > I well remember the replies that I got from A way off topic
> > > subject a
> > > few months ago that really, really helped me out.I guess
> that a
> > > lot of
> > > the help etc that is provided from a request on the BBS is
> not
> > > seen by
> > > the majority simply because the replies are direct to the
> the
> > > original
> > > poster, maybe we (I) should dual post, and annoy a lot of
> the
> > > casual
> > > "skimmers" on the BBS?
> > >
> > > As to having "moderators" controlling the NA AMSAT BBS I'd
> have
> > > to say no.
> > >
> > > Why, well I feel that a lot of (most) folk that post are
> trying
> > > to find
> > > an answer to a question or simply throw something into the
> ring
> > > and
> > > check back for an Answer or may be open their mailbox to see
> if
> > > a reader
> > > has replied directly.
> > >
> > > I'm sure others on the BBS can relate to my experiences, and
> can
> > > see the
> > > value in leaving the (basically self moderating) bbs as it
> is.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Don
> > > ZL1THO
> > > _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:49:48 -0700
From: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: RS-30 APT
To: "Mike Rupprecht" <mail(AT)mike-rupprecht.de>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<1c096fd70805301049k68d64aack570207f6e78fd18(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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There was some conversation about this transmission on the HearSat
mailing list...
Its not clear if this is a test pattern, or what, but it probably
won't come down like a normal APT image (e.g. Visible and near-IR
bands).
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Mike Rupprecht <mail(AT)mike-rupprecht.de>
wrote:
> All,
>
>
>
> on 435.315 MHz (FM) you can hear RS-30 APT transmission.
>
> It looks like test pattern. See here:
> http://www.dk3wn.info/images/rs30_apt_test.jpg
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 18:03:02 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re grizzles
To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48404156.20909(AT)ngunn.net>
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As one who very rarely switches on a radio, I find the launch and identify the
various ejected hardware the most exciting.
Once I can assimilate the keps with the orbiting hardware/junk I seem to loose
interest.
I guess I'm just an engineer rather than a communicator.
Robert Bruninga wrote:
> If it is an "overwhelming majority" that hate LEO's and that
> want Linear transponders, then why is it that the linear birds
> are so underutilized that many times it is impossible to find
> anyone on them?
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