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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 00:16:35 +0100
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville(AT)btinternet.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 9 Cubesats selected for free ESA ride to space
To: "Tom Clark, K3IO" <k3io(AT)verizon.net>, "AMSAT BB"
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Hi Tom,
These cubesat projects are very very new...many have been developed only in
the last 2 or 3 months and therefore it is not surprising that only one
third of them have yet sent in any documentation regarding frequency
co-ordination to the IARU panel.
In fact, in addition to Swisscube and Goliat, the Robusta project is shown
on the co-ordination website as "in progress".
We do not know which of the others will be using frequencies in the amateur
satellite service but rest assured that all the teams have already been
briefed on their responsibilities in relation to their possible use of "our"
service and have been offered all possible support and advice (including
Jan's fb link budget spreadsheet).
May I also make a plea that the concept of "them" and "us" is seriously
outdated in respect of the members of the cubesat teams. There are many
examples of students who already have obtained their amateur licences and
many who are currently taking the courses in their respective countries. I
firmly believe that anything that enables/encourages "young" people to get
their tickets is a good "thing" and that if a proportion of them end up as
amateurs working in the space industry over the next decades then probably
it is a very very good "thing"
Whether or not the satellites carry a transponder is another subject, but
if the cubesat programme gives today's amateurs the opportunity to help
create an amateur friendly space industry for the next generation then it
has my support!
best 73
Graham G3VZV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Clark, K3IO" <k3io(AT)verizon.net>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:29 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 9 Cubesats selected for free ESA ride to space
Of the satellites listed (according to the list posted at
http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/finished.asp), the following satellites
have been coordinated with IARU for use of the amateur satellite spectrum:
* Swisscube: Space Center, Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Laus
* Goliat: University of Bucharest
* UWE-2 (but not yet UWE-3): University of Wuerzburg
Unisat3 from Rome was launched with AO-51, however the UniCubesat is not
listed with the IARU.
It appears that the IARU Coordination group knows nothing about the
other satellites listed in the press release. But then, it also appears
that the recent Russian RS-30 "Jubilee" was apparently
unknown/uncoordinated.
If any of you are in contact with any of these groups, please stress to
them the need for coordination with the rest of the amateur
radio/amateur satellite community. Information of the coordination
process, along with some recommendations (including a very useful link
budget spreadsheet from Jan King W3GEY/VK4GEY) can be found at
http://www.iaru.org/satellite/.
73, Tom
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:29:54 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat(AT)optonline.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] [ans] ANS-159 Bulletins
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AMSAT NEWS SERVICE
ANS-159
ANS is a free, weekly, news and information service of AMSAT North
America, The Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation. ANS reports on the
activities of a worldwide group of Amateur Radio operators who share an
active interest in designing, building, launching and communicating
through analog and digital Amateur Radio satellites.
Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
ans-editor(AT)amsat.org
In this edition:
* AMSAT-NA Board of Directors Nomination Announcement
* 9 Cubesats offered free launch with ESA
* News from the 6/3/08 Executive Teleconference
* Satellite Shorts From All Over
* Direct Shorts
* ARISS Status Report for the Week of May 26, 2008
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.01
AMSAT-NA Board of Directors Nomination Announcement
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.01
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.01
Nominations are open for the AMSAT-NA Board of Directors (BOD).
The nominations must be in writing and received at the AMSAT
office by end of business June 15, 2008.
AMSAT-NA member societies or five current individual members may
make nominations of fellow members to serve a 2-year term. Three
of the seven seats must be filled this year.
The board members whose terms are expiring are:
Tom Clark, K3IO
Lou McFadin, W5DID
Bob McGwier, N4HY
Prospective AMSAT-NA BOD members generally attend two meetings
each year, usually during the first and third quarters of the
year. Attendance at the meetings is mandatory. Travel expenses
for BOD meetings are paid for by AMSAT-NA.
Nominations must be in writing and mailed to:
AMSAT-NA
Board of Director Nomination
850 Sligo Ave #600
Silver Spring, MD 20910
The nominations with descriptive information about each candidate
will be mailed out July 15, 2008. Ballots must be received in
Silver Spring,MD by September 15, 2008. Only active members as
of July 24, 2008 are eligible to vote.
[ANS thanks AMSAT HQ for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.02
9 Cubesats offered free launch with ESA
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.02
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.02
Cubesats built by students from universities in Poland Spain Italy
Switzerland Romania France and Belgium have been selected for a free
ride to low earth orbit. The launch is scheduled on the Vega maiden
flight from Kourou at the end 2008 / early 2009 TBC.
One Belgium cubesat proposes to use D-Star as a communications protocol
http://www.esa.int/esaED/SEM2BPUG3HF_index_0.html
[ANS thanks David, G0MRF, for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.03
News from the 6/3/08 Executive Teleconference
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.03
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.03
The AMSAT Store will be re-opening soon. It has been moved to the new
AMSAT server.
There will be a series of ARISS/NASA technical meetings in Russia during
much of the month of July this year.
There will be a technical meeting in Phoenix about SuitSat-2 hardware
the weekend of 14 June. We will be updating the specification and
determining what hardware can be developed, tested and delivered to
Russia by the end of the year.
[ANS thanks Gould, WA4SXM for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.04
Satellite Shorts From All Over
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.04
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.04
The 2008 Dayton Forum presentation of Rick Hambly, W2GPS AMSAT President
is now available for viewing online at
mms://media.wmfd.com/amsat/W2GPS_2008_forum.wmv
Also available is Bob McGwier's 2008 AMSAT Engineering update
mms://media.wmfd.com/amsat/EngMovie08.wmv
The other 2008 Forum presentations will also be available soon. There
will be an ANS announcement. Thanks to Rob and Gunther Meisse and WMFD
for hosting the video.
Note: The following satellites have been dropped from the AMSAT
Keplerian Data List:
UARS Cat # 21701
OO-38 Cat # 26063
MO-46 Cat # 26548
UWE-1 Cat # 28892
LIBERTAD-1 Cat # 31129
[ANS thanks everyone for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.05
Direct Shorts
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.05
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.05
+ Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual
ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held Septem-
ber 26-28, 2008 in Chicago, Illinois. The submission deadline is
July 31, 2008. Please send papers to: Maty Weinberg, ARRL, 225 Main
Street, Newington, CT 06111.
+ Stefan, VE4NSA says his 1:1 scale model kit of the Delfi-C3 satel-
lite is in the prototype stage. A photo of the project can be found
at http://www.wincube.ca/Delfi.html. This model will be available as
pdf files for you to print (and cut and glue) in the next few weeks
from the Delfi-C3 website. Stefan invites radio amateurs to also see
his released AO-51 scale model at http://www.msig.ca/AO-51.html.
+ This past week the Cute-1.7 + APD II cubesat team ran a 24hour test
of the APD sensor. FM telemetry packets were transmitted on 437.475
MHz. Please forward any received telemetry to Hiroki Ashida via
email to hiroki(AT)lss.mes.titech.ac.jp.
+ Yuta Araki, JQ1YGV wrote from Nihon University to inform you of the
update of the analysis software for the SEEDS cubesat. The new ver-
sion of the analysis software is "Downlink Code for Distribution
Ver.2.0.3" at:
http://cubesat.aero.cst.nihon-u.ac.jp/english/download_e.html
[ANS thanks for the above information]
/EX
SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-159.06
ARISS Status Report for the Week of June 2nd, 2008
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 159.06
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
June 8, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-159.06
Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) Status Report
June 2, 2008
1. School Contact Status
Planning continues for Amateur Radio on the International Space Station
(ARISS) contacts; however, the level of school contacts will drop
temporarily due to crew time constraints.
2. NASM Space Day Article
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT) and Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS) members participated in the National
Air and Space Museum celebration on Space Day. The event was covered in
a local paper. To view the article in the Southwester (page 11), go to:
http://swdc.org/news/Southwester_JUNE_2008.pdf
3. Terrestrial School Contact Successful
On Tuesday, May 27, European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut Roberto
Vittori, IZ6ERU, spoke by telephone with students from primary schools
San Giuseppe and De Gasperi in Italy. He answered 20 questions posed to
him by the students. Approximately 400 people were present during the
hour long question and answer session. Newspapers covered the event.
These schools plan to participate in an Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS) contact in the fall. Photos and
detailed information on this activity have been posted to the
ARISS-Europe Web site. See: http://www.ariss-eu.org/2008_05_27.htm
4. ESA Article on DRS Contact
An Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) contact took
place with Delta Researcher Schools (DRS) on Friday, May 23 at Space
Expo, Noordwijk, the Netherlands. The European Space Agency (ESA) posted
a write-up on this educational event to its Web site. See:
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/SEMEZ8NKRGF_education_0.html
5. Astronaut Training Status
Mike Fincke, KE5AIT, participated in an Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS) training session on Tuesday, May 27.
Fincke is scheduled to fly in October 2008 as the commander of
Expedition 18.
[ANS thanks Carol, KB3LKI for the above information]
/EX
In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining donors
to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive additional benefits.
Application forms are available from the AMSAT Office.
73,
This week's ANS Editor,
Dee Interdonato, NB2F
nb2f at amsat dot org
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:50:28 -0400
From: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 9 Cubesats selected for free ESA ride to space
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, Giulio AB2VY <amprorg(AT)yahoo.it>
Message-ID: <484B2CD4.5000609(AT)innismir.net>
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i8cvs wrote:
> But actually once the other worldwide Universities will have the
> ESA/NASA/JAXA-sponsored GENSO project running, they will probably
> even not need our help anymore, but only our frequencies !!!
I'm doubting it, but perhaps I'm missing something:
1. University builds satellite
2. University satellite builders are either hams themselves or are
endorsed by someone who has a ham radio license.
3. University sets up satellite to transmit within the amateur sub bands
4. University publishes downlink frequencies and allows other amateurs
to collect TLM
5. People complain
Am I missing something between 4 and 5? Are these satellites purposely
jamming other satellites? Are they going to seek out any future HEO
satellites and kamikaze the rocket when it flies by? Or are the people
complaining for the sake of complaining?
Last I checked Amateur Radio encouraged experimentation. Cubesats are a
shining example of this. I can't comprehend how anyone can complain and
consider themselves an "amateur"
--
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:50:07 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 9 Cubesats selected for free ESA ride to space
To: Graham Shirville <g.shirville(AT)btinternet.com>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, "Tom Clark, K3IO"
<k3io(AT)verizon.net>
Message-ID: <484B3ACF.6050407(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
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Graham,
I agree!!
Sure they aren't HEO linear transponders (or even LEO transponders) but
they all will advance the state of the satellite art and will introduce
a new group of students to Amateur radio even if it's indirectly to get
radio spectrum. So we will all win!
D-Star, deploying satellite panels, etc.are experiments we can learn
from and apply to any future Amateur satellite. So again, we will all win!
While lack of IARU coordination by some agencies/countries is a pet
peeve of mine too, I'm sure folks over there will make them very aware
of the coordination process. I believe all the countries mentioned are
participants in the IARU. So enough said on that subject.
The fact that ESA is providing a "free" launch opportunity to nine new
satellites, be they university or whatever, is a positive step forward,
and is to be highly commended. I don't believe an opportunity like that
has ever been extended by any other launch agency.
As a member of AMSAT-NA, I would like to see our organization formally
congratulate them on their successful selection and offer our technical
support if needed/asked. If we can't build satellite hardware this year,
we can at least offer consulting support and guidance to their hardware
projects.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Graham Shirville wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> These cubesat projects are very very new...many have been developed only in
> the last 2 or 3 months and therefore it is not surprising that only one
> third of them have yet sent in any documentation regarding frequency
> co-ordination to the IARU panel.
>
> In fact, in addition to Swisscube and Goliat, the Robusta project is shown
> on the co-ordination website as "in progress".
>
> We do not know which of the others will be using frequencies in the amateur
> satellite service but rest assured that all the teams have already been
> briefed on their responsibilities in relation to their possible use of "our"
> service and have been offered all possible support and advice (including
> Jan's fb link budget spreadsheet).
>
> May I also make a plea that the concept of "them" and "us" is seriously
> outdated in respect of the members of the cubesat teams. There are many
> examples of students who already have obtained their amateur licences and
> many who are currently taking the courses in their respective countries. I
> firmly believe that anything that enables/encourages "young" people to get
> their tickets is a good "thing" and that if a proportion of them end up as
> amateurs working in the space industry over the next decades then probably
> it is a very very good "thing"
>
> Whether or not the satellites carry a transponder is another subject, but
> if the cubesat programme gives today's amateurs the opportunity to help
> create an amateur friendly space industry for the next generation then it
> has my support!
>
> best 73
>
> Graham G3VZV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Clark, K3IO" <k3io(AT)verizon.net>
> To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:29 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 9 Cubesats selected for free ESA ride to space
>
>
> Of the satellites listed (according to the list posted at
> http://www.amsat.org.uk/iaru/finished.asp), the following satellites
> have been coordinated with IARU for use of the amateur satellite spectrum:
>
> * Swisscube: Space Center, Ecole Polytechnique F?d?rale de Laus
> * Goliat: University of Bucharest
> * UWE-2 (but not yet UWE-3): University of Wuerzburg
>
> Unisat3 from Rome was launched with AO-51, however the UniCubesat is not
> listed with the IARU.
>
> It appears that the IARU Coordination group knows nothing about the
> other satellites listed in the press release. But then, it also appears
> that the recent Russian RS-30 "Jubilee" was apparently
> unknown/uncoordinated.
>
> If any of you are in contact with any of these groups, please stress to
> them the need for coordination with the rest of the amateur
> radio/amateur satellite community. Information of the coordination
> process, along with some recommendations (including a very useful link
> budget spreadsheet from Jan King W3GEY/VK4GEY) can be found at
> http://www.iaru.org/satellite/.
>
> 73, Tom
> _______________________________________________
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