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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AO-51 PBBS really on? (Andrew Glasbrenner)
2. Re: AO-51 PBBS really on? (Gould Smith)
3. Re: Frequency Co-ordination. (Dave Guimont)
4. AO7 status (John Geiger)
5. HO-59 HITSAT Reentry (Armando Mercado)
6. Re: Frequency Co-ordination. (i8cvs)
7. Re: Frequency Co-ordination. (Andrew Koenig)
8. Re: Frequency Co-ordination. (Trevor)
9. LEO's (w0dxz(AT)aol.com)
10. Satelite QSO's at FD (kevin.j.smith(AT)comcast.net)
11. Re: AO-51 PBBS really on? (Alan P. Biddle)
12. Re: Spanish cubesat (John Mock KD6PAG)
13. Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital Communications
Conference (Ford, Steve, WB8IMY)
14. Re: LEO's (John Geiger)
15. Re: Frequency Co-ordination. (Jeff Moore)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:12:29 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 PBBS really on?
To: <APBIDDLE(AT)mailaps.org>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <B765494DF32B48818533E84DA1491F0A(AT)Andrewlaptop>
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Hi Alan,
I received another comment regarding this, and one of the command stations
will check it out tonight.
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 PBBS really on?
> Hi,
>
> Decided to blow the dust off WISP and try the BBS. Downlink is rock solid
> using either WISP or TLMECHO, but I have not been able to request a
> directory. I have the current PECHO-11 and PECHO-12, and plenty of mode L
> ERP. It has been a while since I operated LS, but the uplink frequency
> was
> netted in and the TNC deviation was ~ 3Kz the last time I checked with no
> relevant changes. There hasn't been anybody in the queue on any of the
> passes.
>
> Before I break out the deviation and frequency meters, anybody operated
> successfully this round, and any suggestions if so?
>
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> There is something fascinating about science.
> One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
> from such a trifling investment of fact.
>
> Mark Twain
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:06:20 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi(AT)bellsouth.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 PBBS really on?
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
<APBIDDLE(AT)mailaps.org>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <6416C62B004143E79E8C79BB2B903C93(AT)GouldMainPC>
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reply-type=original
I will check on the L Band uplink tonight.
Gould
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
To: <APBIDDLE(AT)mailaps.org>; "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:12 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 PBBS really on?
> Hi Alan,
> I received another comment regarding this, and one of the command stations
> will check it out tonight.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
> To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 PBBS really on?
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Decided to blow the dust off WISP and try the BBS. Downlink is rock
>> solid
>> using either WISP or TLMECHO, but I have not been able to request a
>> directory. I have the current PECHO-11 and PECHO-12, and plenty of mode
>> L
>> ERP. It has been a while since I operated LS, but the uplink frequency
>> was
>> netted in and the TNC deviation was ~ 3Kz the last time I checked with no
>> relevant changes. There hasn't been anybody in the queue on any of the
>> passes.
>>
>> Before I break out the deviation and frequency meters, anybody operated
>> successfully this round, and any suggestions if so?
>>
>>
>> Alan
>> WA4SCA
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>> There is something fascinating about science.
>> One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture
>> from such a trifling investment of fact.
>>
>> Mark Twain
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:23:41 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
To: la2qaa(AT)amsat.org
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<20080617052346.XLOQ5514.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com(AT)Dave.san.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>I believe this mail ought to be forwarded to *ALL* amateur radio
>satellite organisations.
>
>We've - (GM1SXX & LA2QAA) - said it often enough in the last 10
>years but if we persist, somebody just might finally get the message.
>
>Commander John Brannegan G4IHJ made us aware of the problem in 1994
>... so far, to the best of my knowledge, it's been totally ignored.
>
>Please *DO* note the last paragraph.
>
>73 John. <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>
John, you are so right...
If AMSAT-NA persists in it's idiotic FM voice LEO's they are
certainly not helping the cause...
The money should be sent to Germany to help with P3E...I've been
saying that long prior to the launch of AO-51, at a number of
conventions I attended, to no avail...
I guess someone in there has a profit motive we know nothing about...
The guise at the time was to encourage new members..And I would bet
the membership has gone down...they will never report membership
levels, and I can't imagine why that would be a secret??
The skill level with AO51 is to buy an HT, and press a button...I
can't imagine that would hold anyone's interest for long...level of
difficulty.... equal to a cell phone...
Hopefully, the rest of the world's AMSAT's will save the operation
and interest of amateur ssb/cw BANDWIDTH SATELLITES, to enable at
least several minutes of REAL COMMUNICATION, instead of the
ridiculous callsign/gridsquare exchange that is occurring now...
My meager contributions are now going to AMSAT-DL, and I've been
supporting Project Oscar and AMSAT-NA for 28 years...so I'm not
exactly the new kid on the block!!
And it looks like US high school graduates are about the same level
as other countries 9th graders...
And don't any one give me any BS about my loyalty...I was a navy
fighter pilot in WWII, Korea and Vietnam before I retired in 1967..
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:50:03 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg(AT)lcisp.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO7 status
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <015501c8d035$9b099640$0501a8c0(AT)oemcomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have been out of the satellite game for awhile, but now am back, after
getting the 70cm antenna back up and a second radio to do full duplex with.
What is the current status of AO7? The AMSAT page says "non-operational"
but I seem to have seen some emails recently that might suggest otherwise.
If it is operational, is it always in Mode B now?
73s John AA5JG
(ex: W5TD, NE0P)
6M WAS #1275, 6m VUCC #1260
2m VUCC #615, Satellite VUCC #129
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:49:46 -0400
From: "Armando Mercado" <am25544(AT)triton.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HO-59 HITSAT Reentry
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000901c8d046$5571ab20$9511acd1(AT)hppav>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=original
Hello,
HO-59 HITSAT will be coming down in the next day or two.
CW beacon on 437.275 is quite loud at times.
HITSAT
1 29484U 06041F 08169.05480152 .02354730 30619-5 39313-3 0 4600
2 29484 098.2613 290.9733 0021824 316.3725 043.6034 16.32515448 98539
73, Armando N8IGJ
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:21:12 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
To: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>, <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>,
"AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <002301c8d04a$b9970a60$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
To: <la2qaa(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Cc: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
> >I believe this mail ought to be forwarded to *ALL* amateur radio
> >satellite organisations.
> >
> >We've - (GM1SXX & LA2QAA) - said it often enough in the last 10
> >years but if we persist, somebody just might finally get the message.
> >
> >Commander John Brannegan G4IHJ made us aware of the problem in 1994
> >... so far, to the best of my knowledge, it's been totally ignored.
> >
> >Please *DO* note the last paragraph.
> >
> >73 John. <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>
>
> John, you are so right...
>
> If AMSAT-NA persists in it's idiotic FM voice LEO's they are
> certainly not helping the cause...
>
> The money should be sent to Germany to help with P3E...I've been
> saying that long prior to the launch of AO-51, at a number of
> conventions I attended, to no avail...
>
> I guess someone in there has a profit motive we know nothing about...
> The guise at the time was to encourage new members..And I would bet
> the membership has gone down...they will never report membership
> levels, and I can't imagine why that would be a secret??
>
> The skill level with AO51 is to buy an HT, and press a button...I
> can't imagine that would hold anyone's interest for long...level of
> difficulty.... equal to a cell phone...
>
> Hopefully, the rest of the world's AMSAT's will save the operation
> and interest of amateur ssb/cw BANDWIDTH SATELLITES, to enable at
> least several minutes of REAL COMMUNICATION, instead of the
> ridiculous callsign/gridsquare exchange that is occurring now...
>
> My meager contributions are now going to AMSAT-DL, and I've been
> supporting Project Oscar and AMSAT-NA for 28 years...so I'm not
> exactly the new kid on the block!!
>
> And it looks like US high school graduates are about the same level
> as other countries 9th graders...
>
> And don't any one give me any BS about my loyalty...I was a navy
> fighter pilot in WWII, Korea and Vietnam before I retired in 1967..
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
Hi Dave, WB6LLO
I agree 100% on what you writes and particularly to the following.
> If AMSAT-NA persists in it's idiotic FM voice LEO's they are
> certainly not helping the cause...
>
> The money should be sent to Germany to help with P3E...I've been
> saying that long prior to the launch of AO-51, at a number of
> conventions I attended, to no avail...
This is the right place to donate for P3-E
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/index.pl?step=pixelliste
Best 73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:23:23 -0500
From: "Andrew Koenig" <andrewkoenig(AT)thathamkid.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
To: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Cc: la2qaa(AT)amsat.org, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<2f52b89b0806162323r15c5842fp957e103c7b482330(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
The FM birds are all that I have access to at the moment. I personally don't
mind the fast paced callsign/grid exchange, but that doesn't seem to float
some people's boat. I do just fine. My income is very limited, since being
14 years old doesn't really pay that much. I cannot afford some of these
fancy all mode rigs that can even make you a cup of coffee. All I've got in
my inventory is several FM UHF and VHF rigs that get me on the FM birds.
Amateur Radio is a wide spectrum. There's lots of different things that can
take place in different ways. Some rely on the ionosphere to get their
contact, and other's rely on the pass predictions. It's not easy to float
everybody's boat, but most of the time we seem to get along OK. Where the
real inconsistencies begin to take effect is when there is one organization
that powers different interests, and when it is blamed for entertaining one
interest at the current time, but not another.
Would it be possible for you all to stop complaining and start volunteering
for anything? All of this eQRM about "Oh let's get a real bird in the air"
is driving me nuts. Volunteer. Make a "real" bird happen, but don't press
that send button if it can be interpreted as eQRM.
And by the way, I think getting anything launched into space and then
successfully working is quite an accomplishment.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >I believe this mail ought to be forwarded to *ALL* amateur radio
> >satellite organisations.
> >
> >We've - (GM1SXX & LA2QAA) - said it often enough in the last 10
> >years but if we persist, somebody just might finally get the message.
> >
> >Commander John Brannegan G4IHJ made us aware of the problem in 1994
> >... so far, to the best of my knowledge, it's been totally ignored.
> >
> >Please *DO* note the last paragraph.
> >
> >73 John. <la2qaa(AT)amsat.org>
>
> John, you are so right...
>
> If AMSAT-NA persists in it's idiotic FM voice LEO's they are
> certainly not helping the cause...
>
> The money should be sent to Germany to help with P3E...I've been
> saying that long prior to the launch of AO-51, at a number of
> conventions I attended, to no avail...
>
> I guess someone in there has a profit motive we know nothing about...
> The guise at the time was to encourage new members..And I would bet
> the membership has gone down...they will never report membership
> levels, and I can't imagine why that would be a secret??
>
> The skill level with AO51 is to buy an HT, and press a button...I
> can't imagine that would hold anyone's interest for long...level of
> difficulty.... equal to a cell phone...
>
> Hopefully, the rest of the world's AMSAT's will save the operation
> and interest of amateur ssb/cw BANDWIDTH SATELLITES, to enable at
> least several minutes of REAL COMMUNICATION, instead of the
> ridiculous callsign/gridsquare exchange that is occurring now...
>
> My meager contributions are now going to AMSAT-DL, and I've been
> supporting Project Oscar and AMSAT-NA for 28 years...so I'm not
> exactly the new kid on the block!!
>
> And it looks like US high school graduates are about the same level
> as other countries 9th graders...
>
> And don't any one give me any BS about my loyalty...I was a navy
> fighter pilot in WWII, Korea and Vietnam before I retired in 1967..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
73's
Andrew K.
KE5GDB
http://www.thathamkid.com
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:43:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
To: amsat bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <621620.45925.qm(AT)web27205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
--- On Mon, 16/6/08, Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> IARU Region 1 Cavtat 08 papers
> http://www.iaru-r1.org/Cavtat%20qwopaskl.htm
I notice the IARU Region 1 link didn't work earlier, alternatives are:
The full sets of C4(HF) and C5(VHF/Microwave) papers are being distributed by
C5 chairman Michael Kastelic OE1MCU on his societies site:
http://www.oevsv.at/opencms/modules/news/20080603_cavtat_iaru.html
The VHF/Microwave Papers can also be found via
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/may2008/cavtat_papers.htm
specifically
http://www.ok2kkw.com/iaru/cavtat_list_en.htm
BTW is anybody having any success with the Video links quoted in the AMSAT
News Bulletin - I could get them to work.
73 Trevor M5AKA
__________________________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:32:01 -0400
From: w0dxz(AT)aol.com
Subject: [amsat-bb] LEO's
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <8CA9E84E4C88303-1628-2D(AT)webmail-ne11.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
RE:? Usefullness of LEO's...
I think there should always be at least one accessable LEO-FM bird... for the
very reason that some (WB6LLO) think there should not be. It gets you started
with satellites.
If I had not gone to a hamfest and seen Patrick demo use of the FM birds, I
would not now be active on not only FM birds, but? the all mode birds as well.
Without the FM birds, the? imtimidation factor would have been too much, I
never would have gotten started.
Every hobby needs an easy entry level possibility... for many it is the LEO's,
FM.
When I bought my first Harley, a Sportster,,, many said oh, a beginners
Harley, yeah, maybe, but I would never have? bought a motorcycle? if I had to
buy a full dresser as my first bike.? And yes, my first gun was a .410, not a
12 gauge.? And I learned to snorkel before I learned to SCUBA.
FM LEO's have a purpose, a use. Not everyone can? chase the other birds. Live
and let live. That is the fun part of the ham radio hobbyt, there is something
for everyone.
There may be complaints about LEO-FM birds that are justifiable, but? the fact
that you can work one with a HT is not one of those arguments.
Bob W0DXZ DM33
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:37:53 +0000
From: kevin.j.smith(AT)comcast.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Satelite QSO's at FD
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Cc: , remack(AT)lhpot.com, n3sh(AT)yahoogroups.com, remack(AT)lhtot.com
Message-ID:
<061720081237.29467.4857B021000320870000731B2207000953089B07039CD206D202
07900A05(AT)comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain
A ham located in Somerset County in south-western PA is looking for a Field
Day site that will be making satellite contacts during Field Day. My local
club; the Wireless Association of South Hills (Pittsburgh) will be making
satellite contacts but our location will be in eastern Washington County. If
someone knows of a club making Field Day satellite contacts in Westmoreland,
Fayette, Bedford or Cambria Counties; could you please contact me off list?
Thanks.
Kevin Smith, N3HKQ
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:38:33 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 PBBS really on?
To: "'Gould Smith'" <gouldsmi(AT)bellsouth.net>, "'Andrew Glasbrenner'"
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <D5142127694E49FDA0994CD1318E3B1F(AT)WA4SCA>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Morning,
Saw lots of command ACKS last night. This morning, I was able to get a
directory and upload a test message easily. TNX.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:47:14 -0700
From: John Mock KD6PAG <kd6pag(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Spanish cubesat
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <E1K8cSo-0004Hh-IT(AT)sebastopol.fdns.net>
Given that the power budget for a cubesat is unlikely to support a linear
transponder in a meaningful way, an FM transponder would be nice, IF it
includes a decent receiver. If the uplink is dependable but the signal
weak, i think people will still use it. It won't be an 'easy sat' and
folks will need a better receiving set up to use it (such as an 'Arrow'
rather than some kind of omni). It should at least be a good experiment.
My suggestion is to have such a transponder available once the primary
mission of the cubesat is complete. Thus, like DO-64, there is likely to
be a lot of interest in receiving telemetry given that folks may be able
to use the satellite themselves later. Like DO-64, having a machine-
independent telemetry decoder makes it possible for lots of people to
participate. Best of luck to you!
-- KD6PAG (Networking Old-Timer, Satellite QRPer)
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:34:23 -0400
From: "Ford, Steve, WB8IMY" <sford(AT)arrl.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Call for Papers--2008 ARRL/TAPR Digital
Communications Conference
To: "RTTY Reflector" <rtty(AT)contesting.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>,
<vhf(AT)w6yx.stanford.edu>, <psk31(AT)bipt106.bi.ehu.es>,
<digitalradio(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID:
<AD6F46BB3421B241903D155572BA86FE03BC0750(AT)cartagia.ARRLHQ.ORG>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Technical papers are solicited for presentation at the 27th Annual ARRL
and TAPR Digital Communications Conference to be held September 26-28,
2008 in Chicago, Illinois. These papers will also be published in the
Conference Proceedings (you do NOT need to attend the conference to have
your paper included in the Proceedings). The submission deadline is July
31, 2008. Please send papers to:
Maty Weinberg
ARRL
225 Main St
Newington, CT 06111
or you can make your submission via e-mail to: maty(AT)arrl.org
Papers will be published exactly as submitted and authors will retain
all rights.
73 . . . Steve, WB8IMY
ARRL
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:22:45 -0000
From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg(AT)lcisp.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: LEO's
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, <w0dxz(AT)aol.com>
Message-ID: <019601c8d08d$fe4d3ce0$0501a8c0(AT)oemcomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Bob,
I agree completely with what you say. Many people who don't think they have
the equipment for the satellites really do-like a dualband FM rig and a
small yagi. I wouldn't be on the sats either if I hadn't started on the FM
sats and found out how easy using them was. Had a nice AO51 pass a few
minutes ago also.
73s John AA5JG
----- Original Message -----
From: <w0dxz(AT)aol.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:32 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] LEO's
> RE:? Usefullness of LEO's...
>
> I think there should always be at least one accessable LEO-FM bird... for
the very reason that some (WB6LLO) think there should not be. It gets you
started with satellites.
>
> If I had not gone to a hamfest and seen Patrick demo use of the FM birds,
I would not now be active on not only FM birds, but? the all mode birds as
well. Without the FM birds, the? imtimidation factor would have been too
much, I never would have gotten started.
>
> Every hobby needs an easy entry level possibility... for many it is the
LEO's, FM.
>
> When I bought my first Harley, a Sportster,,, many said oh, a beginners
Harley, yeah, maybe, but I would never have? bought a motorcycle? if I had
to buy a full dresser as my first bike.? And yes, my first gun was a .410,
not a 12 gauge.? And I learned to snorkel before I learned to SCUBA.
>
> FM LEO's have a purpose, a use. Not everyone can? chase the other birds.
Live and let live. That is the fun part of the ham radio hobbyt, there is
something for everyone.
> There may be complaints about LEO-FM birds that are justifiable, but? the
fact that you can work one with a HT is not one of those arguments.
> Bob W0DXZ DM33
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:11:45 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Frequency Co-ordination.
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***Comments in line -- Jeff -- KE7ACY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
John, you are so right...
If AMSAT-NA persists in it's idiotic FM voice LEO's they are
certainly not helping the cause...
[snip]
The skill level with AO51 is to buy an HT, and press a button...I
can't imagine that would hold anyone's interest for long...level of
difficulty.... equal to a cell phone...
*** If that's what you think, then you obviously haven't tried it!
Hopefully, the rest of the world's AMSAT's will save the operation
and interest of amateur ssb/cw BANDWIDTH SATELLITES, to enable at
least several minutes of REAL COMMUNICATION, instead of the
ridiculous callsign/gridsquare exchange that is occurring now...
**** You do what you gotta do in the amount of time you have to do it.
That's the challenge!
My meager contributions are now going to AMSAT-DL, and I've been
supporting Project Oscar and AMSAT-NA for 28 years...so I'm not
exactly the new kid on the block!!
**** Send all your money to Germany! Why not move there too?
And it looks like US high school graduates are about the same level
as other countries 9th graders...
**** What's this got to do with the subject at hand?? You can blame all
the liberals for this, but what's it got to do with satellite frequency
coordination?
And don't any one give me any BS about my loyalty...I was a navy
fighter pilot in WWII, Korea and Vietnam before I retired in 1967..
**** It's attitudes like yours that are killing amateur radio! You want
more members in Amsat, give the ham community something to work that doesn't
require $10,000 rigs/setups that you click a couple of mouse buttons and
then sit back and chat for 4 hours. Where's the challenge in that? You
might have to get out of your chair and go move your antenna manually??
**** I've been in ham radio a whopping 4 years! In that time, I've done
rocket and balloon tracking, vhf/uhf voice comm, APRS, ARES, packet, HF
voice, and lately vhf/hf digital modes. I tried working the ISS a couple of
years ago and gave up figuring that I didn't have the equipment ( or
budget ) necessary to do it. It took a ham out of Mexico, that wanted to
work my grid to get me into satellites. If he had the same attitude as you,
it wouldn't have happened. He's got the equipment to work HEO sats, but
he's not sitting around moaning and groaning about the the lack of sats
(HEO) to work, he's out there getting hams involved in sats! When's the
last time you elmered a 14 year old kid that's interested in ham radio like
the kid that answered in an earlier reply?? The result of the efforts of
that one ham in Mexico??? At least a half dozen hams (of all ages) are now
active on the satellites in our area (central Oregon) with at least a couple
dozen more exposed to it and interested! If any of them were exposed toyour
attitude, that wouldn't have happened.
**** Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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