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Today's Topics:
1. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (David Goncalves)
2. AMSAT NA (Jim Danehy)
3. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (David Goncalves)
4. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (Robert Bruninga)
5. Re: AMSAT NA (Michael Tondee)
6. Comments re AMSAT-NA (Dave Guimont)
7. Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA (Robert Bruninga)
8. Complainers (Ken)
9. Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA (Michael Tondee)
10. Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA (Robert Bruninga)
11. Re: AMSAT NA (John B. Stephensen)
12. Amsat-BB (Bauer, Frank H. (GSFC-590.0))
13. Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA (Ben Jackson)
14. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (Nate Duehr)
15. Re: AMSAT NA (Joe Westbrook)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:28:06 -0400
From: "David Goncalves" <davegoncalves(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID:
<efbd6ca10807151228s412c663bl7e735f53d4a64334(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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Off-topic - I'm going to keep that as one of my whiskey-time stories.
For relaxing times, make it Suntory time.
David Goncalves
W1EUJ
On 7/15/08, Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:42, David Goncalves wrote:
>
> > This reminds me of a short story about a boy on a bicycle and a
> > chicken on the road.
> >
> > In one part, the boy swerves to avoid the chicken, takes a hard fall
> > and dies. His mother cries - he didn't need to swerve, it was just a
> > chicken! Why did he kill himself saving a chicken!
> >
> > In another part, the boy sees the danger, and goes ahead and runs over
> > the chicken to save himself. His mother scolds the boy, and thinks him
> > a monster, crying - why did he kill an defenseless chicken!
> >
> >
> > David Goncalves
> > W1EUJ
> >
>
> Another variation on the same subject.
>
> At supper time the host dog was barking the host look at the dog in the eyes
and say "one time" the dog stop barking but he resume his
> session few minutes later. The host look at the dog in the eyes and say
"two time" the dog stop barking but again he start barking again
> patiently the host look at the dog in the eyes and say "three time" the dog
stopped barking but he restart his barking session again. The
> host pull out a gun and he shoot the dog!
>
> His wife at the table called him a monster, crying - why do you kill a
defenceless dog!
>
> The host turned toward her looking her in the eyes and say "one time"!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
David Goncalves
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:27:31 -0400
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <D7897E4B2CF14C5C8CC99FDDB3790824(AT)JamesPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of money for
antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the belly aching
I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME . . . . the
moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO 7 and VO 52 to
test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching just looks bad even if
it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes much other than venting for
the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up folks.
Jim W9VNE
Cincinnati, Ohio em79
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:39:17 -0400
From: "David Goncalves" <davegoncalves(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<efbd6ca10807151339v46fd8f65l67bb9476b53900c5(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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We all can count on three things in life - death, taxes, and Luc
running a thread into the ground just to stick it to the 'man'.
It is too bad - there are some real issues to discuss.
What are we doing to volunteers to cause them to leave, or get so
overwhelmed by the job assigned to them?
Is the current EAGLE concept just too big for AMSAT to design and fund?
How much transparency does a group have to provide to its members?
David Goncalves
W1EUJ
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:16:02 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <AF399ABFC3CB4D7C93FDF291853252B7(AT)ewlab.usna.edu>
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>> I think, however that it's time for a change
>> in leadership.
How about a change in who does all the work. If AMSAT could
just get as much actual productive space-quality work out of all
the hot air complainers as they get useless naysaying, those
beleagered workers might actually be able to make some progres.
> I've been complaining about similar tactics...
> objecting mostly, to the use of FM voice vs ssb/cw.
And most people are getting tired of hearing it. Just get out
of the way. The beleagered few who are doing the work need
support not constant rock throwing...
> At this point I am not sure there are any feathers
> in the bag, mostly rocks!!
And some never resist an opportunity to throw more on their
backs...
> Try AO51, and if one tries anything other than a
> call sign, grid square, pandemonium ensues telling
> me to get off the air!!
In ham radio it is best to adopt the proper protocol/etiquette
on any given channel, than to forceably try to use a technique
known to be disruptive to the communications techniques already
in use.
> First time I've ever heard that on ham radio
> after being licensed for 60 years!!
Actually, back then, I thought people were more polite. Forcing
CW on voice freqs, forcing SSB on CW freqs, forcing AM on SSB
freqs, forcing contest operation on rag chew freqs and forcing
rag-chew on contest freqs are all examples of things that are
normally avoided by considerate operators. Forcing others on
AO-51 to one's own opinionated style of operating also is
probably not being considerate to others..
> Somebody do something!!
AMSAT is we. Everyone is somebody. But "doing something" does
not mean complaining about and blocking what others do. If one
is not helping, then they need to just get out of the way...
> 73, [SIGNED]
> Disagree: I learn....
> Pulling for P3E...
And apparently fighting and rock throwing against everything
else...
I believe those volunteers in AMSAT are doing the best they can,
and in ham radio it is well known that no single path will
please everyone. But for sure, they can make progress on
whatever path they are on if they are not constantly being
bombarded by rocks from the peanut gallery...
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:34:41 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <004601c8e6ca$f959bfd0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
It's been going on since I got here a couple of years ago Jim. For sure,
everyone is anxious to see an HEO launched but some people feel the need to
get online and constantly whine about why we don't have one. I think there
are a few folks on here that need to get a dictionary and look up the word
"volunteer".
People better start to realize that there are no guarantees. I would say
that at the current rate of apparent progress that the AMSAT NA mission
statement looks all wet. Prospects don't seem to be much better on P3E
either. What good will it do to have a fully built satellite without the
funds to launch it?
I just try to enjoy what we've got up there and hope for the best in the
future. In the end that's all we can really do isn't it? All the whining in
the world and the backhanded comments about AO-51 and the other FM sats
aren't going to get the HEO birds up there any faster.
73,
Michael W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
>I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of money
>for antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the belly
>aching I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME . .
>. . the moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO 7
>and VO 52 to test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching just
>looks bad even if it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes much
>other than venting for the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up folks.
>
> Jim W9VNE
> Cincinnati, Ohio em79
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:25:12 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Comments re AMSAT-NA
To: SDWilmet(AT)aol.com
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<20080715232515.IPZS15817.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com(AT)Dave.san.rr.com>
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Hi Steve,
Tnx fer ur support!!
Oh yes, I'm sure there are two or three on here that respond
vehemently to my comments, but I never get to see them!!
They are in my Eudora filter file, and I never get to see them...
If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, or do what I do...
Robin, come back wherever you are!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:38:49 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <9D9514CBED5349BE8D7298B0B01BBF81(AT)ewlab.usna.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Tnx fer ur support!!
> Oh yes, I'm sure there are two or three on
> here that respond vehemently to my comments,
> but I never get to see them!!
>
> They are in my Eudora filter file,
> and I never get to see them...
> 73, [SIGNED]
> Disagree: I learn....
- I think we have found the problem...
- Notice, he filters out comments from anyone he
- disagrees with... so how does he ever learn?
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:51:24 -0600
From: "Ken" <knoliver(AT)netutah.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Complainers
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <9D68CF0D346D45BA8CCB8E3BF7A86CE0(AT)KenPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Right on Bob, I could not have said it better. Alltho it is the
same few that don't do anything but complain. Wonder how
much they have contributed or done to help the cause. I am
80 years old and know that ignoring them is the best way to
treat them, but sometimes they just go too far. The best to
those who are doing something to further the program of Amsat.
What other group is doing anything? 73 de Ken W7KBM.
Amsat # 10217
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:18:30 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
To: <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c8e6d9$7a8afd40$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Well whether he read it or not, I enjoyed reading your point by point
response to him Bob. At least it helps me to know that there are other sane
reasonable individuals out there. I'm sure we are in the majority and
disgruntled hard headed fools like that are the minority.
73,
Michael W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
>> Tnx fer ur support!!
>> Oh yes, I'm sure there are two or three on
>> here that respond vehemently to my comments,
>> but I never get to see them!!
>>
>> They are in my Eudora filter file,
>> and I never get to see them...
>> 73, [SIGNED]
>> Disagree: I learn....
>
> - I think we have found the problem...
> - Notice, he filters out comments from anyone he
> - disagrees with... so how does he ever learn?
>
> Bob
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:25:20 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
To: "'Michael Tondee'" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <9905DBE30D264D55AE1C435CA2822032(AT)ewlab.usna.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks.
Yes its fun sometimes to take one on...
Bob, WB4APR
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tondee [mailto:mat_62(AT)netcommander.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:19 PM
> To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu; amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
>
> Well whether he read it or not, I enjoyed reading your point
by point
> response to him Bob. At least it helps me to know that there
> are other sane
> reasonable individuals out there. I'm sure we are in the
majority and
> disgruntled hard headed fools like that are the minority.
> 73,
> Michael W4HIJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:38 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
>
>
> >> Tnx fer ur support!!
> >> Oh yes, I'm sure there are two or three on
> >> here that respond vehemently to my comments,
> >> but I never get to see them!!
> >>
> >> They are in my Eudora filter file,
> >> and I never get to see them...
> >> 73, [SIGNED]
> >> Disagree: I learn....
> >
> > - I think we have found the problem...
> > - Notice, he filters out comments from anyone he
> > - disagrees with... so how does he ever learn?
> >
> > Bob
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:29:19 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, "Jim Danehy"
<jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <005701c8e6e3$5f30fdb0$0201a8c0(AT)your6bvpxyztoq>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
What most HEO users never fully realized (including me) was that they were
the recipients of charity. Now that launches are commercial operations, the
AMSATs have to pay the same as everyone else and HEOs are vastly more
expensive than LEOs. The energy requirements are much larger and you can't
just use a surplus SS-18 as a launch vehicle.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 22:34 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
> It's been going on since I got here a couple of years ago Jim. For sure,
> everyone is anxious to see an HEO launched but some people feel the need
> to
> get online and constantly whine about why we don't have one. I think there
> are a few folks on here that need to get a dictionary and look up the word
> "volunteer".
> People better start to realize that there are no guarantees. I would say
> that at the current rate of apparent progress that the AMSAT NA mission
> statement looks all wet. Prospects don't seem to be much better on P3E
> either. What good will it do to have a fully built satellite without the
> funds to launch it?
> I just try to enjoy what we've got up there and hope for the best in the
> future. In the end that's all we can really do isn't it? All the whining
> in
> the world and the backhanded comments about AO-51 and the other FM sats
> aren't going to get the HEO birds up there any faster.
> 73,
> Michael W4HIJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
>
>
>>I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of money
>>for antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the
>>belly
>>aching I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME . .
>>. . the moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO 7
>>and VO 52 to test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching just
>>looks bad even if it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes much
>>other than venting for the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up folks.
>>
>> Jim W9VNE
>> Cincinnati, Ohio em79
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:39:26 -0500
From: "Bauer, Frank H. (GSFC-590.0)" <frank.h.bauer(AT)nasa.gov>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Amsat-BB
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID:
<D802BA37E8AA304897D7BBA9D3BED5B560537E(AT)NDMSEVS39A.ndc.nasa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All,
I have and continue to be proud of this organization. We are not a
perfect organization. Just a few volunteer. And they do the best job
that they can.
I know that I personally can only do so much. I do have a very
demanding job and a family that needs my attention. But I think that I
and the many volunteers that support the ARISS activity have done a
fantsatic job in supporting AMSAT. And amateur radio in general. We
are doing good work and share a positive attitude as we know we are
making a difference.
I KNOW that there is an active effort within AMSAT-NA to bring HEO and
LEO amateur radio satellites to fruitition. I can see it happening,
despite the negative rhetoric and severe comments that exist on this BB.
For those that are continuing to support the AMSAT mission...I tip my
hat.
I have been in the space business for 33 years. At one point in my
career I went a LONG time without launching a specific satellite. (7
years!) This happens to NASA. This happens to ESA and the other space
agencies. And this is currently happening to AMSAT. So....keep the
faith and VOLUNTEER.
For those naysayers out there....those that like to NOT volunteer and/or
enjoy throwing stones...I wish you would change your attitude. Or move
to another BB. Help, not hurt. As all I see you want to do is tear
down this organization. And I must say that it is easy to tear down an
organization. And it is very hard to build one up....to volunteer...to
make GOOD THINGS happen.
I received this URL today. Read number 16.
http://www.walletpop.com/specials/top-25-things-vanishing-from-america?i
cid=100214839x1205495530x1200282778
This hobby can continue. But only if we build it up through positive
actions. And not tear it down through venom and unkind words.
Think about it....as YOU can make that difference.
73,
Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:43:16 -0400
From: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Comments re AMSAT-NA
To: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, SDWilmet(AT)aol.com
Message-ID: <487D6044.4020702(AT)innismir.net>
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Dave Guimont wrote:
| Oh yes, I'm sure there are two or three on here that respond
| vehemently to my comments, but I never get to see them!!
|
| They are in my Eudora filter file, and I never get to see them...
*snip*
| Disagree: I learn....
Apparently the "learning" Dave does when people disagree to him is to
learn what people to put on his filter.
*sigh*
~Ben
- --
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:07:24 -0600
From: Nate Duehr <nate(AT)natetech.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <763BB8D5-3273-4E77-B4CF-B9E86E683093(AT)natetech.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Luc Leblanc wrote:
> His wife at the table called him a monster, crying - why do you kill
> a defenceless dog!
>
> The host turned toward her looking her in the eyes and say "one time"!
A little boy named Luc cried out again that AMSAT wasn't doing what he
wants, but didn't offer any real solutions that will work -- and the
entire mailing list looked at him together and said, "three time".
--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
nate(AT)natetech.com
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:19:11 -0500
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>, "Michael Tondee"
<mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>,
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <001901c8e6f2$b7f99380$0702a8c0(AT)corp.global.level3.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I fully expect to receive incoming slings and arrows for my input, and I do
understand for those who get their egos fed by leading/participating in the
design process for AMSAT-NA won't like this idea, but hey who is AMSAT here
to serve anyway?
Generally, the following conditions seem to exist at this time (please feel
free to correct me if any of my observations are inaccurate):
1. We don't seem to be within a stones throw of getting Eagle off the
ground
2. Engineering resources in disarray
3. No Lab
4. Most folks who participate really want to see a HEO up as soon as
humanly possible
5. The cost to put an HEO into orbit seems to be prohibitive for any single
organization to pull off without deep pocket sponsorship
6. AMSAT-DL Has an HEO that is nearing completion
Given the extent that these circumstances are close to reality, why on
earth wouldn't we consider transferring the sum total of Eagle resources
(with membership approval of course) to AMSAT-DL, for the purpose of
completing PE3?
Next step would be to determine the exact the cost and a launch
opportunity. Let the Ham Satellite Community know what those cost are and
then raise the additional funds toward that single goal.
Following the final launch and commissioning of PE3, then move on to getting
Eagle back on track.
I definitely could get behind that sort of concrete effort. What we have
now seems to be a bit of a distant dream.
Regards,
- Joe, K7ZT
----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
To: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy"
<jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
> What most HEO users never fully realized (including me) was that they were
> the recipients of charity. Now that launches are commercial operations,
> the
> AMSATs have to pay the same as everyone else and HEOs are vastly more
> expensive than LEOs. The energy requirements are much larger and you can't
> just use a surplus SS-18 as a launch vehicle.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
> To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 22:34 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>
>
>> It's been going on since I got here a couple of years ago Jim. For sure,
>> everyone is anxious to see an HEO launched but some people feel the need
>> to
>> get online and constantly whine about why we don't have one. I think
>> there
>> are a few folks on here that need to get a dictionary and look up the
>> word
>> "volunteer".
>> People better start to realize that there are no guarantees. I would say
>> that at the current rate of apparent progress that the AMSAT NA mission
>> statement looks all wet. Prospects don't seem to be much better on P3E
>> either. What good will it do to have a fully built satellite without the
>> funds to launch it?
>> I just try to enjoy what we've got up there and hope for the best in the
>> future. In the end that's all we can really do isn't it? All the whining
>> in
>> the world and the backhanded comments about AO-51 and the other FM sats
>> aren't going to get the HEO birds up there any faster.
>> 73,
>> Michael W4HIJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
>> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
>>
>>
>>>I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of
>>>money
>>>for antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the
>>>belly
>>>aching I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME .
>>>.
>>>. . the moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO 7
>>>and VO 52 to test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching just
>>>looks bad even if it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes much
>>>other than venting for the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up
>>>folks.
>>>
>>> Jim W9VNE
>>> Cincinnati, Ohio em79
>>
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