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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Amsat-BB (Jeff Moore)
2. Re: AMSAT NA (Dave Guimont)
3. Re: AMSAT NA (John B. Stephensen)
4. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (Rick Hambly (W2GPS))
5. Good News (Joseph Seibert)
6. Re: AMSAT NA (Luc Leblanc)
7. Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!! (Luc Leblanc)
8. Re: AMSAT NA (Joe Westbrook)
9. Re: AMSAT NA (David B. Toth)
10. Re: Amsat-BB (Simon Brown (HB9DRV))
11. Re: Good News (morsesat(AT)optonline.net)
12. Wanted 100W UHF ampifier (Bert, VE2ZAZ)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:17:09 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Amsat-BB
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <014601c8e6fa$d25530b0$f08764d0(AT)TNTCENTER>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Make sure that you read the comments at the end of that item #16. The
author of the article got it wrong! In the last 5 years the ham ranks have
decreased by about 26,000 NOT the 50,000 that the author came up with. But
even more important than that is:
1. There's been an increase in the last year or two.
2. Compared to 10, 20, and 30 years ago, the ham ranks are way bigger
now!!!
Still it takes all of us to get others interested in the hobby. If you're
not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. If you're whining and
complaining, you're NOT helping.
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY (no code EXTRA) licensed in 2004 - age 54
CN94
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bauer, Frank H. (GSFC-590.0)" <frank.h.bauer(AT)nasa.gov>
All,
I received this URL today. Read number 16.
http://www.walletpop.com/specials/top-25-things-vanishing-from-america?i
cid=100214839x1205495530x1200282778
This hobby can continue. But only if we build it up through positive
actions. And not tear it down through venom and unkind words.
Think about it....as YOU can make that difference.
73,
Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO
AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:43:27 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<20080716044330.GFPQ4153.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com(AT)Dave.san.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>I fully expect to receive incoming slings and arrows for my input, and I do
>understand for those who get their egos fed by leading/participating in the
>design process for AMSAT-NA won't like this idea, but hey who is AMSAT here
>to serve anyway?
Yes, Joe hang in there! I get "darted", but my shoulders are broad,
and my goal is to get "something launched" besides an FM voice LEO...
A lot of us agree with your ideas of giving all the money to AMSAT-DL
and get SOMETHING up there.
AMSAT-NA is obviously completely incapable of doing so...Why does it
even exist, except perhaps to feed the egos of a few??
I've been licensed for 60 years, operated ALL ssb/cw sats since 1980,
Oscar 7...And one of the first members of Project Oscar...I could not
participate in its construction as I was on active duty as a Navy
pilot in the South Pacific at the time...Flew combat in WWII, Korea,
and Vietman, so naysayers take your best shot!!
And have the W4AMI Achievement Award for 5000 contacts (actually have
over 7000), so I sort of feel qualified to compare our present
situation to what has been...
Yes, send all our funds to AMSAT-DL..
>Generally, the following conditions seem to exist at this time (please feel
>free to correct me if any of my observations are inaccurate):
>
>1. We don't seem to be within a stones throw of getting Eagle off the
>ground
>2. Engineering resources in disarray
>3. No Lab
>4. Most folks who participate really want to see a HEO up as soon as
>humanly possible
>5. The cost to put an HEO into orbit seems to be prohibitive for any single
>organization to pull off without deep pocket sponsorship
>6. AMSAT-DL Has an HEO that is nearing completion
>
>Given the extent that these circumstances are close to reality, why on
>earth wouldn't we consider transferring the sum total of Eagle resources
>(with membership approval of course) to AMSAT-DL, for the purpose of
>completing PE3?
>
> Next step would be to determine the exact the cost and a launch
>opportunity. Let the Ham Satellite Community know what those cost are and
>then raise the additional funds toward that single goal.
>
>Following the final launch and commissioning of PE3, then move on to getting
>Eagle back on track.
>
>I definitely could get behind that sort of concrete effort. What we have
>now seems to be a bit of a distant dream.
>
>Regards,
>- Joe, K7ZT
>
>
>
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:48:49 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>, "Michael Tondee"
<mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>,
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <012f01c8e6ff$3db09210$0201a8c0(AT)your6bvpxyztoq>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
The key is getting space on a launch vehicle, not completing some hardware
that is a tiny fraction of the cost. It's interesting that people are
complaining about an internal AMSAT-NA personnel issue, but aren't concerned
that AMSAT-DL announced that they can't pay for the P3E launch.
I've managed several engineering groups in the computer industry and have
had people call me up while I was eating Thankgiving dinner and resign. On
Monday everything was resolved.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; "Michael Tondee"
<mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>;
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 03:19 UTC
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>I fully expect to receive incoming slings and arrows for my input, and I do
>understand for those who get their egos fed by leading/participating in the
>design process for AMSAT-NA won't like this idea, but hey who is AMSAT here
>to serve anyway?
>
> Generally, the following conditions seem to exist at this time (please
> feel free to correct me if any of my observations are inaccurate):
>
> 1. We don't seem to be within a stones throw of getting Eagle off the
> ground
> 2. Engineering resources in disarray
> 3. No Lab
> 4. Most folks who participate really want to see a HEO up as soon as
> humanly possible
> 5. The cost to put an HEO into orbit seems to be prohibitive for any
> single organization to pull off without deep pocket sponsorship
> 6. AMSAT-DL Has an HEO that is nearing completion
>
> Given the extent that these circumstances are close to reality, why on
> earth wouldn't we consider transferring the sum total of Eagle resources
> (with membership approval of course) to AMSAT-DL, for the purpose of
> completing PE3?
>
> Next step would be to determine the exact the cost and a launch
> opportunity. Let the Ham Satellite Community know what those cost are and
> then raise the additional funds toward that single goal.
>
> Following the final launch and commissioning of PE3, then move on to
> getting Eagle back on track.
>
> I definitely could get behind that sort of concrete effort. What we have
> now seems to be a bit of a distant dream.
>
> Regards,
> - Joe, K7ZT
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> To: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy"
> <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>
>
>> What most HEO users never fully realized (including me) was that they
>> were
>> the recipients of charity. Now that launches are commercial operations,
>> the
>> AMSATs have to pay the same as everyone else and HEOs are vastly more
>> expensive than LEOs. The energy requirements are much larger and you
>> can't
>> just use a surplus SS-18 as a launch vehicle.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John
>> KD6OZH
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
>> To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 22:34 UTC
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>>
>>
>>> It's been going on since I got here a couple of years ago Jim. For sure,
>>> everyone is anxious to see an HEO launched but some people feel the need
>>> to
>>> get online and constantly whine about why we don't have one. I think
>>> there
>>> are a few folks on here that need to get a dictionary and look up the
>>> word
>>> "volunteer".
>>> People better start to realize that there are no guarantees. I would say
>>> that at the current rate of apparent progress that the AMSAT NA mission
>>> statement looks all wet. Prospects don't seem to be much better on P3E
>>> either. What good will it do to have a fully built satellite without the
>>> funds to launch it?
>>> I just try to enjoy what we've got up there and hope for the best in the
>>> future. In the end that's all we can really do isn't it? All the whining
>>> in
>>> the world and the backhanded comments about AO-51 and the other FM sats
>>> aren't going to get the HEO birds up there any faster.
>>> 73,
>>> Michael W4HIJ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
>>> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of
>>>>money
>>>>for antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the
>>>>belly
>>>>aching I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME .
>>>>.
>>>>. . the moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO
>>>>7
>>>>and VO 52 to test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching
>>>>just
>>>>looks bad even if it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes much
>>>>other than venting for the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up
>>>>folks.
>>>>
>>>> Jim W9VNE
>>>> Cincinnati, Ohio em79
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:45:43 -0400
From: "Rick Hambly \(W2GPS\)" <w2gps(AT)cnssys.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: "'Luc Leblanc'" <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <BEA43F19AF434AFBAD4BB869DCFD3773(AT)RICK>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Luc,
You and Dave are very creative. Wouldn't it be wonderful if you used your
creativity for something useful and positive? I'm sure there must be
something you can do that would help the Ham community you obviously care so
much about.
Rick
W2GPS
AMSAT LM2232
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Luc Leblanc
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:40 AM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Cc: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
On 15 Jul 2008 at 9:42, David Goncalves wrote:
> This reminds me of a short story about a boy on a bicycle and a
> chicken on the road.
>
> In one part, the boy swerves to avoid the chicken, takes a hard fall
> and dies. His mother cries - he didn't need to swerve, it was just a
> chicken! Why did he kill himself saving a chicken!
>
> In another part, the boy sees the danger, and goes ahead and runs over
> the chicken to save himself. His mother scolds the boy, and thinks him
> a monster, crying - why did he kill an defenseless chicken!
>
>
> David Goncalves
> W1EUJ
>
Another variation on the same subject.
At supper time the host dog was barking the host look at the dog in the eyes
and say "one time" the dog stop barking but he resume his
session few minutes later. The host look at the dog in the eyes and say
"two time" the dog stop barking but again he start barking again
patiently the host look at the dog in the eyes and say "three time" the dog
stopped barking but he restart his barking session again. The
host pull out a gun and he shoot the dog!
His wife at the table called him a monster, crying - why do you kill a
defenceless dog!
The host turned toward her looking her in the eyes and say "one time"!
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Seibert <jsalaska(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good News
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <7080.82110.qm(AT)web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I just placed an order through the AMSAT store online. Whomever designed the
website store, thank you! You did a great job.
BTW... I was able to renew my membership at the same time.
Joseph Seibert, AL1F
Bethel, Alaska
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:24:02 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Cc: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <487D3192.3277.2ECE2A9(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 16 Jul 2008 at 1:29, John B. Stephensen wrote:
> What most HEO users never fully realized (including me) was that they were
> the recipients of charity. Now that launches are commercial operations, the
> AMSATs have to pay the same as everyone else and HEOs are vastly more
> expensive than LEOs.
How i can repeat the same idea in a different way!
3 years ago i wrote "there is not enough money available in each AMSAT'S" i
was speaking for an ONLY ONE international AMSAT to regroup
all the available funds" Running after too many rabbit will only bring empty
hands.
As the one repeater in each ham backyard syndrome era we are now facing the
same trend. The volunteer era is also no more THE SOLUTION our
club repeater group who was playing retuning rebuilding old commercial
repeater on the ham bands and having to perform maintenance work on
a monthly basis became tired to play again and again on the same used machine
our volunteers where exhausted. THE NEW SOLUTION we buy a
brand new motorola repeater (3000$ for a 40 members club) Two years now of
peace and smooth operation our volunteers are now playing around
SDR radio and DSTAR.
GUIDE FOR AMATEUR HEO SATELLITE LAUNCH.
1-Put the world-wide resources towards one goal one HEO at a time
2-Planned the funding
A- How much money is needed for a launch
B-Divide the amount by all the possible contributors
C-Have al the AMSAT'S organizing their own funding in their own area.
3-If some money is missing we will all know why we cannot have a launch and
this will end up the complaining
4-Working in closed circle under our national flags will only divided our
resources if "Now that launches are commercial operations" we
will have to govern us accordingly GO COMMERCIAL SELL D'ONT BEG Try to have
managers and administrators who are familiar with the business
world not those who rely on charity, or elitism fund raising club, or
governmental grants.
5-When the business plan will be attached it is much more easy to seek out for
major money contributor's.
6-Is this goes by having to put a Coke sign on the satellite body or having a
CD with names of 5$ donors (look at the cube sats supporters)
7-Stopped attending hamfest and start to visit universities in promoting an
HEO project how they can help?
8-Look for new countries who are now making their first steps in space India,
China, Japan
9-The space shuttle is now at the end of his planned life is there any
available space in their last flights to accommodate an HEO of
150KG!
10-If someone ask me if can managed to put 300 a year in a fund to have an HEO
launch i think i will be able to save 82 cents per day per
year but they will have to SELL me the affair...a sound and a well attached
project.
11- If it is possible to reach 6000 individuals 1.8 millions will be available
per year and in no more than 3 years more than 5 millions
will be in this fund.
The killing question!
Is the actual leadership is able to drive such program i think not AND IT IS
THE MAIN PROBLEM a huge structural change is needed as the
ideas of the base are not listen. Only the leaders ideas are promoted even if
they are no more up to date as they are getting trailing
support by few foul mouth it is a vicious circle who fortunately start to
break up...
AMSAT-NA is facing an obscure future. The last act of mutiny is only the tip
of the iceberg even if the captain want's to play it down!
We are could be ugly but not stupid...
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:26:52 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: NAMSATE AND EAGLE PROJECT ARE DEAD!!!
To: eu-amsat(AT)yahoogroups.com
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <487D4E5C.4332.35D5567(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 15 Jul 2008 at 21:07, Nate Duehr wrote:
> A little boy named Luc cried out again that AMSAT wasn't doing what he
> wants, but didn't offer any real solutions that will work -- and the
> entire mailing list looked at him together and said, "three time".
>
> --
> Nate Duehr, WY0X
> nate(AT)natetech.com
As someone wrote
"Only the leaders ideas are promoted even if they
are no more up to date as they are getting trailing
support by few foul mouth it is a vicious circle who fortunately start to
break
up..."
The diseases is spreading...GM is collapsing towards a possible bankruptcy.
Budweiser is now owned by a belguim company. Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac are lurking with bankruptcy too. Some post on AMSAT-BB are a
possible explanation about the root of the disease. When a dog
feel he's attacked when he's in a dead end with no escape possible he bites.
His animal survival instinct often make's him appears having
rabies.
Fun too see how close human's reactions are from the animal world.
Fortunately here some help about the first symptoms
The first symptoms are usually non-specific, flu-like symptoms - fever,
tiredness, headache that may last for a few days. In the acute
stage, which quickly follows, an individual exhibits anxiety, confusion,
insomnia, agitation, hallucinations and hyperactivity (furious
rabies) or paralysis (dumb rabies). The acute period usually ends after 2 to
10 days. In both furious and dumb rabies, a complete paralysis
develops, followed by coma. Death occurs during the first 7 days of illness
without intensive care.
Please note in our case study:
Our individual also exhibits sign of anxiety, confusion, agitation and
hallucinations!
As read on another post " I am 80 years old and know that ignoring them is
the best way to
treat them, but sometimes they just go too far."
But how to ignore an attacking dog?
My answer is ALWAYS SMILE :)
And here is a short story to ease your tension and blood pressure.
Bush, Putin and Chretien are in hell and they ask the devil if they can called
their own country. The devil say yes and he show them the
red phone.
Chretien called first at the end of the call he hang the phone and he asked
the devil "how much for the call?" The devil say 2 millions.
Chretien was furious and he ask why? the devil say you are in hell here and it
is a long distance call.
Putin want's to call home too the devil shout go ahead! At the end of the call
he also ask "How much" 2 millions the devil said. It is a
long distance also for me? the devil say YES.
Bush also called home and he asked also how much, the devil say 2$ Bush ask
why it is so low the devil say it is a local call for you!
P.S. There is no connection between any individual and any animal species in
the above text if you misinterpreted the text please don't
bite me...
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:47:44 -0000
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>, "Michael Tondee"
<mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>,
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c8e707$787d8b20$0602a8c0(AT)RadioRoom>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
John:
I suppose I should have been clearer, (tough crowd) I was including the
Launch Cost.
Which project do you think could realistically get of the ground first Eagle
or PE3?
This isn't about complaining, I'm simply suggesting a possible path to get
an HEO operational ASAP.
I remember quite a surge of fund raising prior to getting AO40 launched,
with concrete targets
My fundamental argument remains the same. Pool global resources, determine
what the delta is and inform the community. Focus on a single project,
get one HEO bird operational , starting with the satellite that is closest
to completion. Those who wish to continue to
have philosophical disagreements on the Eagle design concept and process are
welcome to do so..
Regards,
- Joe K7ZT
----- Original Message -----
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; "Michael Tondee"
<mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>;
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
> The key is getting space on a launch vehicle, not completing some hardware
> that is a tiny fraction of the cost. It's interesting that people are
> complaining about an internal AMSAT-NA personnel issue, but aren't
> concerned that AMSAT-DL announced that they can't pay for the P3E launch.
>
> I've managed several engineering groups in the computer industry and have
> had people call me up while I was eating Thankgiving dinner and resign. On
> Monday everything was resolved.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; "Michael Tondee"
> <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>;
> <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 03:19 UTC
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>
>
>>I fully expect to receive incoming slings and arrows for my input, and I
>>do understand for those who get their egos fed by leading/participating in
>>the design process for AMSAT-NA won't like this idea, but hey who is AMSAT
>>here to serve anyway?
>>
>> Generally, the following conditions seem to exist at this time (please
>> feel free to correct me if any of my observations are inaccurate):
>>
>> 1. We don't seem to be within a stones throw of getting Eagle off the
>> ground
>> 2. Engineering resources in disarray
>> 3. No Lab
>> 4. Most folks who participate really want to see a HEO up as soon as
>> humanly possible
>> 5. The cost to put an HEO into orbit seems to be prohibitive for any
>> single organization to pull off without deep pocket sponsorship
>> 6. AMSAT-DL Has an HEO that is nearing completion
>>
>> Given the extent that these circumstances are close to reality, why on
>> earth wouldn't we consider transferring the sum total of Eagle resources
>> (with membership approval of course) to AMSAT-DL, for the purpose of
>> completing PE3?
>>
>> Next step would be to determine the exact the cost and a launch
>> opportunity. Let the Ham Satellite Community know what those cost are and
>> then raise the additional funds toward that single goal.
>>
>> Following the final launch and commissioning of PE3, then move on to
>> getting Eagle back on track.
>>
>> I definitely could get behind that sort of concrete effort. What we have
>> now seems to be a bit of a distant dream.
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Joe, K7ZT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>> To: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>; "Jim Danehy"
>> <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:29 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>>
>>
>>> What most HEO users never fully realized (including me) was that they
>>> were
>>> the recipients of charity. Now that launches are commercial operations,
>>> the
>>> AMSATs have to pay the same as everyone else and HEOs are vastly more
>>> expensive than LEOs. The energy requirements are much larger and you
>>> can't
>>> just use a surplus SS-18 as a launch vehicle.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> John
>>> KD6OZH
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
>>> To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 22:34 UTC
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's been going on since I got here a couple of years ago Jim. For
>>>> sure,
>>>> everyone is anxious to see an HEO launched but some people feel the
>>>> need
>>>> to
>>>> get online and constantly whine about why we don't have one. I think
>>>> there
>>>> are a few folks on here that need to get a dictionary and look up the
>>>> word
>>>> "volunteer".
>>>> People better start to realize that there are no guarantees. I would
>>>> say
>>>> that at the current rate of apparent progress that the AMSAT NA mission
>>>> statement looks all wet. Prospects don't seem to be much better on P3E
>>>> either. What good will it do to have a fully built satellite without
>>>> the
>>>> funds to launch it?
>>>> I just try to enjoy what we've got up there and hope for the best in
>>>> the
>>>> future. In the end that's all we can really do isn't it? All the
>>>> whining
>>>> in
>>>> the world and the backhanded comments about AO-51 and the other FM sats
>>>> aren't going to get the HEO birds up there any faster.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Michael W4HIJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
>>>> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT NA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have been off the satellites for 25 years. I just spent a bunch of
>>>>>money
>>>>>for antennas and rotors to get back on. After listening to all of the
>>>>>belly
>>>>>aching I wonder if I should join AMSAT (again). Maybe I should try EME
>>>>>. .
>>>>>. . the moon will be there long after I am gone. I have listened on AO
>>>>>7
>>>>>and VO 52 to test my 2 mtr yagis. I should be QRV soon. Belly aching
>>>>>just
>>>>>looks bad even if it is warranted. I am not sure if it accomplishes
>>>>>much
>>>>>other than venting for the vanquished. Human nature ugh. Lighten up
>>>>>folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim W9VNE
>>>>> Cincinnati, Ohio em79
>>>>
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>>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:20:39 -0400
From: "David B. Toth" <ve3gyq(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20080716021114.04670f50(AT)pop3.wcoil.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 12:43 AM 7/16/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
> >I fully expect to receive incoming slings and arrows for my input, and I do
> >understand for those who get their egos fed by leading/participating in the
> >design process for AMSAT-NA won't like this idea, but hey who is AMSAT here
> >to serve anyway?
>
>
>Yes, Joe hang in there! I get "darted", but my shoulders are broad,
>and my goal is to get "something launched" besides an FM voice LEO...
>
>A lot of us agree with your ideas of giving all the money to AMSAT-DL
>and get SOMETHING up there.
>
>AMSAT-NA is obviously completely incapable of doing so...Why does it
>even exist, except perhaps to feed the egos of a few??
Dave: what you do not seem to realize is that for MANY years,
members of AMSAT-NA and TAPR have been working with AMSAT-DL on these
projects.
AMSAT-DL wouldn't be as far as they are on P3E without that input,
and of course THEIR input has been outstanding also ...
But as stated earlier, there aren't any free rides anymore ... we've
engineered ourselves right out of that market by showing the
commercial folks how to bundle things with their launches so as to
maximize payroll.
I guess it is fair to say that we are in a bit of turmoil here ...
volunteers are tired, unguided, misguided, deguided and overall worn-out.
So I guess it is time for fresh ideas.
Could you please outline YOUR plan to turn this around? You must have
SOMETHING constructive to add rather than vitriol. How about running
for the BoD and showing us how it's done? Maybe Luc could be the new
Public Information Officer. He seems to like filling up mailboxes
with lots of STUFF ... oops, I guess that is one of the definitions
of SPAM. Let's just stick with YOUR candidacy. Seriously, like they
say in the Nike ads, "Just do it!"
Regards,
Dave VE3GYQ/W8
Spencerville, OH
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:58:50 +0200
From: "Simon Brown \(HB9DRV\)" <simon(AT)hb9drv.ch>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Amsat-BB
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <A7F551EFAD614AFB9F3EECDB7DF6FCBC(AT)doubletrouble>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com>
>
> 2. Compared to 10, 20, and 30 years ago, the ham ranks are way bigger
> now!!!
>
And older - much older. Older means richer, just look at the radios we're
buying and stations we're building these days.
Anyway, it would take one wealthy Ham to leave his estate to AMSAT DL to be
used to launch P3E in his memory. Any volunteers on the list?
Simon 'Not Dead Yet' HB9DRV
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:33:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: morsesat(AT)optonline.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Good News
To: al1f(AT)arrl.net
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <e3b7c5c528908.487dce89(AT)optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
This is great news to us Co-ordinator's. I love it when a plan comes
together.
73,
Dee, NB2F
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Seibert
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:55 am
Subject: [amsat-bb] Good News
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> I just placed an order through the AMSAT store online. Whomever
> designed the website store, thank you! You did a great job.
> BTW... I was able to renew my membership at the same time.
>
> Joseph Seibert, AL1F
> Bethel, Alaska
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:24:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Bert, VE2ZAZ" <ve2zaz(AT)yahoo.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wanted 100W UHF ampifier
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <113652.63299.qm(AT)web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello to all,
I am in need for a 430-450MHz linear brick amplifier. I need the 100W (or
more) output type. Mirage or others. Please answer direct, not through the bb.
Thanks and 73s
Bert, VE2ZAZ
http://ve2zaz.net
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