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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Vanishing Hams (Jeff Moore)
2. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
(Roger Kolakowski)
3. Re: HEO Launch Costs (Ben Jackson)
4. where all the users (WILLIAMS MICHAEL)
5. Re: where all the users (Edward Cole)
6. Re: Vanishing Hams (Edward Cole)
7. Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report (Trevor)
8. AMSAT-UK Colloquium - Just 3 Days Left to Book (Trevor)
9. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate (Luc Leblanc)
10. Re: Vanishing Hams (Simon Brown (HB9DRV))
11. Grid JN00 on air (Angel)
12. Re: where all the users (John Price)
13. Icom 2820 (jeff)
14. How volunteerism works... (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:06:32 -0700
From: "Jeff Moore" <tnetcenter(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <016901c8e87a$e6efd2b0$f08764d0(AT)TNTCENTER>
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That's what LEO FM satellites are for -- when you can't reach a repeater
on terra firma.
Jeff -- KE7ACY
CN94
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Langdon" <vk3jed(AT)gmail.com>
>Any serious outdoorsman can benefit from an HT the size of a pack of
>cigarettes. I take mine with me every time I set foot on a daylong
>hike. They're also potentially very useful for people who might do
>extremish things such as sea-kayaking, mountain climbing, etc.
That's for sure, providing there is reasonable coverage, which is
certainly often not the case here.
73 de VK3JED
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:12:27 -0400
From: "Roger Kolakowski" <rogerkola(AT)aol.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
To: "Bill Ress" <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>, <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00f401c8e87b$baf68a40$0200a8c0(AT)Tanguray>
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".....So, in 2006 I volunteered and started my very agonizing participation
on
the Eagle design team, designing and building a concept 3.4 GHz
downconverter and supporting the 70 CM receiver. That ?fruitless?
experience...."
Could you expand on why you consider this experience "agonizing" and
"fruitless" so that we might better understand the process and your
experiences?
This is the type of information which is not coming out of the AMSAT
organization and proves frustrating to the rest of us....
Roger
WA1KAT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ress" <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
To: <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
I?m Bill Ress, N6GHz, and I?m campaigning for a seat on the AMSAT Board.
You will soon be getting your ballots for this year?s AMSAT Board
election. The current dialog on the AMSAT-bb clearly indicates member
dissatisfaction with AMSAT leadership on various levels. Well, now you
have the chance to voice your concerns through your votes!!
In my ballot statement, you will read that I?m disappointed with AMSAT?s
lack of visible progress on a viable and sustainable satellite program,
and with the lack of adequate communication and accountability. The
engineering efforts are in a state of disarray. Hardly a screw has been
turning on Eagle. AMSAT?s website, the primary ?front? to the public, is
in need of redevelopment after months of neglect. The vision statement
has long been outdated.
After being content to operate the birds, I thought I should do more.
So, in 2006 I volunteered and started my very agonizing participation on
the Eagle design team, designing and building a concept 3.4 GHz down
converter and supporting the 70 CM receiver. That ?fruitless?
experience, along with what I've witnessed with the some of the AMSAT
leadership, prompted me to run for the board, hopeful of being able to
contribute in any way to making a positive improvement to a troubled
situation.
The inner circle of leadership goes back many years in AMSAT. They have
put in many, many well meaning volunteer hours and we should recognize
and appreciate that fact. Perhaps their long-term membership on the
board led to inaction and complacency, which clouded judgments and
prevented critical decisions from being made. The board (and
subsequently the membership) will benefit from a ?new? member who is
critical of current performance, and is willing to be a vocal reminder
of member concerns. You can help decide the future of AMSAT with your vote.
Do I think I can change the current AMSAT culture overnight? Only a fool
would think so, but I can tell you that I will try very hard to convey
your legitimate concerns with the hope of influencing the board?s
attitudes and decisions to support a process of positive change.
AMSAT is at a critical crossroad right now brought on by ever increasing
launch costs, lack of leadership and an unclear vision. I know the
leadership has finally recognized this and is making a serious effort to
address burning issues. I plan on offering to the board what I hope will
be viewed as constructive inputs which will reflect many of your concerns.
The AMSAT-bb is a great medium for communication, and I?m very keen on
open lines of communication. I?ll be using it in the coming days, weeks
and months to explain my position on the issues you want me to address.
I am also preparing an online e-survey, a format I will use
periodically, to get your opinion on various issues (and the results
will be shared with you and the AMSAT leadership).
To put this recurring criticism of ?poor communications? to rest, we
need to keep our web site active and current. If that doesn?t happen
very soon, I would encourage the leadership to use the AMSAT-bb, or
perhaps a ?blog? to keep members informed. For my part, you?ll be
hearing from me often using the AMSAT-bb, or perhaps my own blog.
I was first licensed in 1957 as KN2HDG. That was the first step, which
lead to my professional career in electronics. I graduated in 1968 from
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo with a BSEL. From there, I went on to have a
rewarding career in the RF/microwave industry with companies like
California Microwave, Omni Spectra and Radian Technology, where I
designed and built components for the satellite industry for companies
like Hughes, TRW and Lockheed. I now run a new start-up RF/microwave
components company. I am also a member of Project Oscar, ARRL, AMSAT-UK
and AMSAT-ZL (Go KiwiSat!!!).
I read the AMSAT-bb daily. I?m on the birds frequently but if we can?t
hook up there, email me at n6ghz(AT)amsat.org.
Thanks and 73s!!? Bill ? N6GHz
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:29:05 -0400
From: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO Launch Costs
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <487FFFF1.5080303(AT)innismir.net>
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i8cvs wrote:
> A two-horses stagecoach is much better then two rocking horses pulling each
> a single carriage.
But two horses each pulling a separate carriage with the same cargo have
double the chance or arriving safely.
--
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:10:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: WILLIAMS MICHAEL <k9qho6762(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] where all the users
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <313110.27475.qm(AT)web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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If the HEO is launched, they will come.
Mike
K9QHO
AMSAT 33589
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:13:36 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>, "amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <200807180613.m6I6Dagd006015(AT)malik.acsalaska.net>
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At 12:16 PM 7/17/2008, John Price wrote:
>I have been reading about the need for HEO satellites and the reasons
>we don't have them. I wonder why the folks that wont the
>HEO's so bad never show up on AO-07 or VO-52. Most passes it is joe
>K3SZH and maybe two others at most on AO-07 and
>I hardly ever hear anyone on VO-52. The birds that have all the users
>are the FM sats. I would love to see a HEO built but if we
>are not going to use what we have what is the point.
>
>73's << John
Well, John, you kinda make a point, except:
VO-52 is not an HEO. Granted it is a SSB linear transponder but does
not have quite the orbit that AO10/13/40 had.
AO-7 is higher but frankly is not really fully there running on only
solar cells. Its like a 1970 auto running on two cylinders.
Yes, they are all that is available. Just sort of a taste of what
could be! (and should see more use) ...but
We'd like a bit more of a full meal.
73 Ed - KL7UW
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:39:38 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams
To: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <200807180639.m6I6dcnu027084(AT)hermes.acsalaska.net>
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Dave,
That's good to hear about. Certainly there are younger folks still
entering ham radio (great) but how many? The younger hams like you
have a better chance of relating to college age, teens, and younger
than mid-60 year olds like me (there will be exceptions. of
course). This nothing new.
I think ham radio has somehow lost generally reaching out to
newcomers at all ages. I'm sure that for many hams, reaching senior
years comes less energy. But I have also found that a "newcomer" of
any age is the most enthusiastic. Some the best teachers were recent
students (they can remember what they struggled with in learning the
subject). Likewise newcomers just relate better than someone who has
had half a century at it (enthusiam sells more than knowledge).
Satellite should rank right in with the digital, dsp, psk-31, aprs,
innovators. Please add microwavers, eme'ers and qrpers to the active
technical group. The reason that it appears that there is no
innovation going on in ham radio is more due to lack of advertising
by those special groups...they are having too much fun doing.
Satellites are probably the most visible technical group in ham
radio! Its important that it continues to excite!
73 Ed - KL7UW
At 08:15 AM 7/17/2008, Dave hartzell wrote:
>Hi Ed-
>
>Interesting point-of-view. I am a "younger ham" (e.g. 33 years old)
>and I have been around since I was 17. What got me involved was a
>club reaching out to the youth, and making them interested in the
>value of the hobby.
>
>The current amateur clubs and organizations I am with that actually DO
>reach-out to the youth population are usually successful at generating
>interest. I do what I can to reach into the university clubs, and go
>to events that have younger people, especially if there is a
>science/engineering "twist" to the event.
>
>The great thing is, at the same time I am trying to mentor younger
>folks, I am still being mentored by great guys (AJ6T, AD6IW, and
>yourself included through emails and your public works). There is so
>much collective knowledge out there!
>
>73,
>
>Dave
>AF6KD (ex n0tgd)
>
>On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net> wrote:
>
> > I do believe (hope) that ham radio continues for the remainder of my
> > lifetime as it has been central in my life interest (both hobby and
> > profession). Another 20-30 years? Or will quantum communicators
> > obsolete us in a shorter time span?
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:59:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <970443.17054.qm(AT)web27206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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Seeking Scotland's radio hams
"Colin Wight of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) investigates why in
the internet age there are still so many radio amateurs."
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2008/bbc_scotland.htm
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:11:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-UK Colloquium - Just 3 Days Left to Book
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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There are just 3 days left to place a booking for the AMSAT-UK International
Space Colloquium.
The 23rd AMSAT-UK International Space Colloquium will be held at the
University of Surrey, Guildford, England from Friday 25th until Sunday 27th
July.
Dr Rob Gowen, Department of Space & Climate Physics (Mullard Space Science
Laboratory, University College London and Coordinator of the UK Lunar
Penetrator Consortium) will give the keynote speech on "Science Penetrators
for the UK MoonLITE mission".
There will be presentations from AMSAT-DL on both the eagerly awaited P3E
satellite and the pioneering Mars Orbiter P5A. This will be the first private
venture spacecraft to travel to the Red Planet providing Radio Amateurs with
some true DX signals.
The Delfi-C3 team will be giving presentations on their exiting new satellite.
Its SSB/CW 435/145 linear transponder will activated soon and is sure to prove
popular with satellite enthusiasts world-wide.
The Colloquium is open to all Radio Amateurs and SWL's. Either day passes or
full packages comprising overnight accommodation and meals are available. An
online booking service is available with PayPal, Visa and Master Card payments
accepted.
For further details see http://www.uk.amsat.org/Colloquium/
A site map showing location of the Management Building and the adjacent main
car park and conference visitors parking can be seen at
http://www.uk.amsat.org/images/stories/uosmap6.jpg
Travel information: http://www.uk.amsat.org/content/view/23/52/
AMSAT-UK Tel: +44 (0)1258 453959
Email: g3wgm(AT)amsat.org
Web: http://www.uk.amsat.org/
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:39:46 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - - - AMSAT Board Candidate
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <487FD842.32523.2DC6142(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
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On 17 Jul 2008 at 14:00, Bill Ress wrote:
Music to my ears!
> The current dialog on the AMSAT-bb clearly indicates member
> dissatisfaction with AMSAT leadership on various levels. Well, now you
> have the chance to voice your concerns through your votes!!
> I?m disappointed with AMSAT?s
> lack of visible progress on a viable and sustainable satellite program,
> and with the lack of adequate communication and accountability. The
> engineering efforts are in a state of disarray.
>The vision statement has long been outdated.
> Perhaps their long-term membership on the
> board led to inaction and complacency, which clouded judgments and
> prevented critical decisions from being made.
> AMSAT is at a critical crossroad right now brought on by ever increasing
> launch costs, lack of leadership and an unclear vision. I know the
> leadership has finally recognized this and is making a serious effort to
> address burning issues.
> The AMSAT-bb is a great medium for communication, and I?m very keen on
> open lines of communication.
> To put this recurring criticism of "poor communications" to rest, we
> need to keep our web site active and current. If that doesn?t happen
> very soon, I would encourage the leadership to use the AMSAT-bb, or
> perhaps a "blog" to keep members informed.
I wish you good luck and you surely will get my vote but as i cannot vote i
just hope the actual membership will have the wisdom to see
where the light is?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:40:14 +0200
From: "Simon Brown \(HB9DRV\)" <simon(AT)hb9drv.ch>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <AB58AEE3C4CB44508BCEC308B88F6D01(AT)doubletrouble>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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From: "Edward Cole" <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
>
> Satellite should rank right in with the digital, dsp, psk-31, aprs,
> innovators. Please add microwavers, eme'ers and qrpers to the active
> technical group. The reason that it appears that there is no
> innovation going on in ham radio is more due to lack of advertising
> by those special groups...they are having too much fun doing.
>
> Satellites are probably the most visible technical group in ham
> radio! Its important that it continues to excite!
>
I would argue that digital mode developers / users and digital emergency
comms groups are more active. As for advertising - I see more 'noise' from
digital groups than satellite groups, but at the moment there's not an
enormous amount of original development going on in the Ham satellite arena
although there is more than enough to spark interest.
Add in the fans of weather satellites and similar who use David Taylor's
programs and you're probably talking similar levels of interest.
On the other hand you can get going with almost all digital most for $100 or
less (as long as you have a computer). Satellite operation to the same level
is more expensive. FWIW over 50,000 distinct calls have been seen on digital
modes over the last six months, see
http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/cgi-bin/pskstats.pl .
Now back to the coding...
Simon HB9DRV
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Angel Pel?ez, EA4DUT <angelkilroy(AT)yahoo.es>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid JN00 on air
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <730390.73562.qm(AT)web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hello everybody:
I'm on holidays until next Monday 21st at Mediterranean coast on the mainly
marine (but with a small land corner) JN00 grid.
My operation is only on FM birds on afternoon, AO-27.
QSL is OK via buro.
Thanks and good luck.
EA4DUT/5 Angel
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:40:57 -0400
From: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: "Auke de Jong" <sparkycivic(AT)shaw.ca>, "amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
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I have been very interested in the response to "were are the
operators". I guess everyone has there definition of fun. I guess my
thinking is "if you don't have a car ride the mule". I did not
operate AO-7 when it was the latest and greatest but I would think
there had to be many
who considered it wonderful. I suppose if bigger and better had not
come along it still would
be so. I too was spoiled by the HEO operations on AO-10,13,40. Fact is
they are gone. I guess
if the wait until position was applied there would be no one on HF
during the low sunspot
cycle either. Oh well, anyone interested in a short QSO to keep the
whiskers out of there
Sat rig meet me and Joe on AO-7.
73's << John
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Auke de Jong <sparkycivic(AT)shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> I can only offer my own reason for being absent from VO-52 and AO-7:
> I find keeping-up with the doppler-tuning of these LEO-orbits to be
> frustrating. It doesn't help that my rig is awkward in this mode, and my
> PC-control option has a problem I've yet to solve. Add, to this, my manual
> rotator-controller, and it adds-up to several uncompleted contacts. VO-52
> is, of course, harder than ao-7 because of it's height/speed.
>
> Considering just this reason by itself, HEO is much more inviting, because
> the doppler-effect is so greatly reduced. I think this reason might be
> shared by several other HAM's on the BB, even if they don't mention it. I
> even feel a little embarassed to admit that I haven't been able to cope with
> the different rates of doppler-shift for uplink and downlink.
> I might have to put my old transciever (FT-726R) back on the air, just
> because it was a lot easier to control both VFO's mid-QSO to keep centered.
> I don't even think I've completed one, since I've gotten my relatively
> modern "satellite rig" FT-847, despite several attempts to do-so.
>
> I think that the FM birds are more populated due to their twofold
> advantage... very few tuning-steps to stay locked on RX and in some cases,
> no uplink tuning at all; and FM gear is smaller and cheaper than anything
> available to work linear, especially portable/mobile.
>
> This would make an excellent poll, if we were on a messageboard-forum such
> as the one on www.narc.net, or maybe as a mail-back card sent to all
> members.
>
> I've been skipping/deleting all the other chatter regarding complaints for
> lack of a functioning HEO, etc etc. I feel so much better for not having
> been infected by the negativity of others. I hope the storm dies-sown soon
> so that we can get back to what we do best... whatever it is!
> 73's
> Auke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>
> To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:16 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] where all the users
>
>
>>I have been reading about the need for HEO satellites and the reasons
>> we don't have them. I wonder why the folks that wont the
>> HEO's so bad never show up on AO-07 or VO-52. Most passes it is joe
>> K3SZH and maybe two others at most on AO-07 and
>> I hardly ever hear anyone on VO-52. The birds that have all the users
>> are the FM sats. I would love to see a HEO built but if we
>> are not going to use what we have what is the point.
>>
>> 73's << John
>>
>> --
>> N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
>> AO-7,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
>> Internet N4QWF(AT)AMSAT.ORG
>> Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463
>> Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
>> Amsat Member #27845
>> DXCC #33,478
>> VUCC SAT #135
>> WAS SAT #296
>> 51 on AO-51 #13
>> LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
>>>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
>>
>> *Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
>> arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
>> skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
>> proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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AO-7,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
Internet N4QWF(AT)AMSAT.ORG
Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463
Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
Amsat Member #27845
DXCC #33,478
VUCC SAT #135
WAS SAT #296
51 on AO-51 #13
LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:02:57 -0400
From: "jeff" <kb2m(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Icom 2820
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Does anyone know if the Icom 2820 is full duplex? I don't think it is , but
I would like to hear this from an actual owner of one who has tried it on
the sats. My dealer is clueless....
73 Jeff kb2m
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:14:31 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
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Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be
done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"...
Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs
to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the
"management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires
volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and
thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from
the peanut gallery...
Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers
we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting
in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do
that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing
left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to
the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now
that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have
about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham
radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a
need and jump in to fill it.
It is very simple!
If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise
"get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement,
and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and
complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you
don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go
another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not
ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making
progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is
made in volunteer organizations...
This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30
years...
Bob, WB4APR
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