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Today's Topics:
1. My Apologies! (Bill Ress)
2. New schedule uploaded to AO-27 (George Henry)
3. Re: where all the users (Anthony Monteiro)
4. Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report (John W Lee)
5. Re: AMSAT NA (i8cvs)
6. Re: where all the users (Joe)
7. Re: HEO Launch Costs (i8cvs)
8. Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report (Nick Repin)
9. Re: where all the users (Michael Tondee)
10. Re: where all the users (Dave Guimont)
11. Re: How volunteerism works... (kc6uqh)
12. Re: Grid JN00 on air (EB3SA - Carles)
13. Re: How volunteerism works... (Dee)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:41:26 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] My Apologies!
To: bruninga(AT)usna.edu
Cc: AMSAT-BB(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <4880FFF6.1070900(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
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Typing (and proof reading) is obviously not my strong suite. It is NAMASTE.
My apologies to Michelle and the team of volunteers she didn't too much
trouble putting together.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Bill Ress wrote:
> And Bob, I don't want to pick on just the 70 CM receiver project. The
> same scenario has repeating itself on the MAMSATE and ACP volunteer team
> efforts.
>
> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw(AT)att.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] New schedule uploaded to AO-27
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <677118.11651.qm(AT)web83801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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I just noticed that a new schedule was uploaded to
AO-27 on June 29th...
Users of the Java schedule lister will want to make
sure that you have updated the TOPR.TXT and EPOCH.TXT
files to the latest versions.
73,
George, KA3HSW
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:55:29 -0400
From: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: "Auke de Jong" <sparkycivic(AT)shaw.ca>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Cc: aa2tx(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080718235536.87INtaM00WW8a(AT)mailbox6.ucsd.edu>
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At 08:46 PM 7/17/2008, Auke de Jong wrote:
>I can only offer my own reason for being absent from VO-52 and AO-7:
>I find keeping-up with the doppler-tuning of these LEO-orbits to be
>frustrating. It doesn't help that my rig is awkward in this mode, and my
>PC-control option has a problem I've yet to solve. Add, to this, my manual
>rotator-controller, and it adds-up to several uncompleted contacts. VO-52
>is, of course, harder than ao-7 because of it's height/speed.
>
>Considering just this reason by itself, HEO is much more inviting, because
>the doppler-effect is so greatly reduced. I think this reason might be
>shared by several other HAM's on the BB, even if they don't mention it. I
>even feel a little embarassed to admit that I haven't been able to cope with
>the different rates of doppler-shift for uplink and downlink.
>I might have to put my old transciever (FT-726R) back on the air, just
>because it was a lot easier to control both VFO's mid-QSO to keep centered.
>I don't even think I've completed one, since I've gotten my relatively
>modern "satellite rig" FT-847, despite several attempts to do-so.
Dear Auke,
It is very easy to get automatic doppler tuning working and I highly recommend
it. Load up InstantTrack on any PC, even a DOS '386! and download InstantTune
for free from the AMSAT web site here:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/software/PC/radio-control/itune110.zip
Follow the instructions in the readme.txt file. It is very straightforward.
---
There is no reason to work linear satellites without automatic doppler
tuning. You need the PC anyway to track the satellite - just hookup
the COM cable
it makes satellite QSOs simple.
VO-52 is very easy to work and is actually much easier than AO-07 since the
downlink is so strong. You do not need to track the antennas - you can
easily work it with omni-directional antennas. I have worked it with just an
FT-817 running 5 watts into nothing more than a full wave loop a few feet
above ground and another full wave loop for receiving. With an FT-847, it
is a breeze.
I do not know why you are having trouble with your FT-847 auto-tuning but
if you need help, send me an email.
73 (and don't give up on VO-52!)
Tony AA2TX
>I think that the FM birds are more populated due to their twofold
>advantage... very few tuning-steps to stay locked on RX and in some cases,
>no uplink tuning at all; and FM gear is smaller and cheaper than anything
>available to work linear, especially portable/mobile.
>
>This would make an excellent poll, if we were on a messageboard-forum such
>as the one on www.narc.net, or maybe as a mail-back card sent to all
>members.
>
>I've been skipping/deleting all the other chatter regarding complaints for
>lack of a functioning HEO, etc etc. I feel so much better for not having
>been infected by the negativity of others. I hope the storm dies-sown soon
>so that we can get back to what we do best... whatever it is!
>73's
>Auke
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>
>To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:16 PM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] where all the users
>
>
> >I have been reading about the need for HEO satellites and the reasons
> > we don't have them. I wonder why the folks that wont the
> > HEO's so bad never show up on AO-07 or VO-52. Most passes it is joe
> > K3SZH and maybe two others at most on AO-07 and
> > I hardly ever hear anyone on VO-52. The birds that have all the users
> > are the FM sats. I would love to see a HEO built but if we
> > are not going to use what we have what is the point.
> >
> > 73's << John
> >
> > --
> > N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
> > AO-7,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
> > Internet N4QWF(AT)AMSAT.ORG
> > Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463
> > Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
> > Amsat Member #27845
> > DXCC #33,478
> > VUCC SAT #135
> > WAS SAT #296
> > 51 on AO-51 #13
> > LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
> >>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
> >
> > *Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> > arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
> > skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
> > proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:17:02 -0800
From: John W Lee <k6yk(AT)juno.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report
To: m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080718.171740.3744.3.k6yk(AT)juno.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mebbe it's because Amateur Radio and the internet are not the same
thing. The internet is great for research but certainly is no substitute
for
real radio.
A lot of Amateur radio operators don't seem to have figured this out yet.
K6YK
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:59:14 +0000 (GMT) Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
writes:
> Seeking Scotland's radio hams
>
> "Colin Wight of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC)
> investigates why in the internet age there are still so many radio
> amateurs."
>
> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2008/bbc_scotland.htm
>
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
>>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:49:23 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
To: <w3hf(AT)arrl.net>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <009101c8e941$abc1a5c0$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Melachrinos" <melachri(AT)verizon.net>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:01 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT NA
> The Molniya orbit **is** a HEO, albeit a special one.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molniya_orbit
>
> Its characteristics:
>
> - Its apogee is over the North, so it spends most of its time (better than
80%) above the equator.
> - Its period is equal to one-half of one sidereal day, so its ground track
repeats exactly each day.
> - Its inclination (63.4 degrees) is such that its argument of perigee
doesn't shift (from 270 degrees) so the apogee > -stays over the North
Pole.
>
>
> Steve
> W3HF
>
Hi Steve, W3HF
Here is the problem with the Molniya orbit. Since the inclination is 63.43
degrees then the argument of perigee doesn't shift because the line of the
apsides that join the apogee and perigee do not rotate.
If after launch the argument of perigee is placed to 270 degrees then the
apogee will stay over the Northern emisphere for the full life of the
satellite.
More exactly the latitude of perigee will be:
Latitude of perigee = arc sin ( sin 63.43 x sin 270 ) = - 63.43 degrees in
the South emisphere
Changing the signe the latitude of the apogee will be + 63.43 degrees in
the Northern emisphere
Forever !
In this conditions the satellite will be not useful for South America ,
South Africa, Australia and so on in the Southern Emispfere.
This is why the Molniya orbit is nice to broadcast TV and make phone
communications for the Russian areas but not for us worldwide.
In addition as soon the Molniya satellite is at the apogee the speed is very
low and the orbit is unstable because it is strongly perturbated by the
forces of the moon and the sun and very soon the perigee will aproach the
earth and the the satellite will be lost.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:03:55 -0500
From: Joe <nss(AT)mwt.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx(AT)comcast.net>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, aa2tx(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48814B8B.5020404(AT)mwt.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
C'Mon guys,
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the
birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Anthony Monteiro wrote:
>At 08:46 PM 7/17/2008, Auke de Jong wrote:
>
>
>
>>I can only offer my own reason for being absent from VO-52 and AO-7:
>>I find keeping-up with the doppler-tuning of these LEO-orbits to be
>>frustrating. It doesn't help that my rig is awkward in this mode, and my
>>PC-control option has a problem I've yet to solve. Add, to this, my manual
>>rotator-controller, and it adds-up to several uncompleted contacts. VO-52
>>is, of course, harder than ao-7 because of it's height/speed.
>>
>>Considering just this reason by itself, HEO is much more inviting, because
>>the doppler-effect is so greatly reduced. I think this reason might be
>>shared by several other HAM's on the BB, even if they don't mention it. I
>>even feel a little embarassed to admit that I haven't been able to cope with
>>the different rates of doppler-shift for uplink and downlink.
>>I might have to put my old transciever (FT-726R) back on the air, just
>>because it was a lot easier to control both VFO's mid-QSO to keep centered.
>>I don't even think I've completed one, since I've gotten my relatively
>>modern "satellite rig" FT-847, despite several attempts to do-so.
>>
>>
>
>Dear Auke,
>
>It is very easy to get automatic doppler tuning working and I highly
recommend
>it. Load up InstantTrack on any PC, even a DOS '386! and download InstantTune
>for free from the AMSAT web site here:
>
>http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/software/PC/radio-control/itune110.zip
>
>Follow the instructions in the readme.txt file. It is very straightforward.
>
>---
>
>There is no reason to work linear satellites without automatic doppler
>tuning. You need the PC anyway to track the satellite - just hookup
>the COM cable
>it makes satellite QSOs simple.
>
>VO-52 is very easy to work and is actually much easier than AO-07 since the
>downlink is so strong. You do not need to track the antennas - you can
>easily work it with omni-directional antennas. I have worked it with just an
>FT-817 running 5 watts into nothing more than a full wave loop a few feet
>above ground and another full wave loop for receiving. With an FT-847, it
>is a breeze.
>
>I do not know why you are having trouble with your FT-847 auto-tuning but
>if you need help, send me an email.
>
>73 (and don't give up on VO-52!)
>Tony AA2TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>I think that the FM birds are more populated due to their twofold
>>advantage... very few tuning-steps to stay locked on RX and in some cases,
>>no uplink tuning at all; and FM gear is smaller and cheaper than anything
>>available to work linear, especially portable/mobile.
>>
>>This would make an excellent poll, if we were on a messageboard-forum such
>>as the one on www.narc.net, or maybe as a mail-back card sent to all
>>members.
>>
>>I've been skipping/deleting all the other chatter regarding complaints for
>>lack of a functioning HEO, etc etc. I feel so much better for not having
>>been infected by the negativity of others. I hope the storm dies-sown soon
>>so that we can get back to what we do best... whatever it is!
>>73's
>>Auke
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>
>>To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:16 PM
>>Subject: [amsat-bb] where all the users
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have been reading about the need for HEO satellites and the reasons
>>>we don't have them. I wonder why the folks that wont the
>>>HEO's so bad never show up on AO-07 or VO-52. Most passes it is joe
>>>K3SZH and maybe two others at most on AO-07 and
>>>I hardly ever hear anyone on VO-52. The birds that have all the users
>>>are the FM sats. I would love to see a HEO built but if we
>>>are not going to use what we have what is the point.
>>>
>>>73's << John
>>>
>>>--
>>>N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator
>>>AO-7,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52,ISS
>>>Internet N4QWF(AT)AMSAT.ORG
>>>Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463
>>>Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
>>>Amsat Member #27845
>>>DXCC #33,478
>>>VUCC SAT #135
>>>WAS SAT #296
>>>51 on AO-51 #13
>>>LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
>>>>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
>>>
>>>*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
>>>arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
>>>skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
>>>proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>>>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>>>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:27:27 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO Launch Costs
To: "Ben Jackson" <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <001a01c8e946$fd882640$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Jackson" <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
To: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Cc: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>; "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>; "Luc
Leblanc"
<lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO Launch Costs
> i8cvs wrote:
>
> > A two-horses stagecoach is much better then two rocking horses pulling
each
> > a single carriage.
>
> But two horses each pulling a separate carriage with the same cargo have
> double the chance or arriving safely.
>
>
> --
> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
> bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
>
Hi Ben, N1WBV
But they are "rocking horses" so that they cannot pull anything !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:39:55 +1000
From: Nick Repin <nickr(AT)ncrad.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Vanishing Hams - BBC News Report
To: Trevor <m5aka(AT)yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <305251A9-1796-4F87-B927-A425B58E3B3F(AT)ncrad.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
It is a fundamental question we often get asked isn't it - 'Why
amateur radio when you have a mobile phone/internet?"
In many ways it is the same answer to:
Why camp when you have a house?
Why ride a pushbike when you have a car?
Why fish when you have a fish shop?
FWIW try "AR is camping for communications". I'm surprised by how
often people say "I never thought of it like that - now I kinda get
why you do it." It may not motivate people but it is Step 1.
Could wax lyrical about the 'gambling' component - hooking the big one
when chasing DX with minimal kit, same as fishing, and they understand
more, but maybe best not to go there ;)
73 de Nick VK2ZTY
On 18/07/2008, at 16:59, Trevor wrote:
> Seeking Scotland's radio hams
>
> "Colin Wight of the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC)
> investigates why in the internet age there are still so many radio
> amateurs."
>
> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/july2008/bbc_scotland.htm
>
> 73 Trevor M5AKA
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:47:46 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <003801c8e952$352c60b0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I've never been able to get the doppler tracking quite right using SatPC32.
Either that or the stations I'm trying to copy aren't using computer doppler
control and that kills some of my advantage in using it. Right now I'm
doing some station reconfiguration and I've also had some issues with the
70cm transmit side of my antennas.I hope to work this out and be a regular
user of AO-7 and VO-52.
73,
Michael,W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Monteiro" <aa2tx(AT)comcast.net>
To: "Auke de Jong" <sparkycivic(AT)shaw.ca>; "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org>
Cc: <aa2tx(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
> At 08:46 PM 7/17/2008, Auke de Jong wrote:
>
>>I can only offer my own reason for being absent from VO-52 and AO-7:
>>I find keeping-up with the doppler-tuning of these LEO-orbits to be
>>frustrating. It doesn't help that my rig is awkward in this mode, and my
>>PC-control option has a problem I've yet to solve. Add, to this, my
>>manual
>>rotator-controller, and it adds-up to several uncompleted contacts. VO-52
>>is, of course, harder than ao-7 because of it's height/speed.
>>
>>Considering just this reason by itself, HEO is much more inviting, because
>>the doppler-effect is so greatly reduced. I think this reason might be
>>shared by several other HAM's on the BB, even if they don't mention it.
>>I
>>even feel a little embarassed to admit that I haven't been able to cope
>>with
>>the different rates of doppler-shift for uplink and downlink.
>>I might have to put my old transciever (FT-726R) back on the air, just
>>because it was a lot easier to control both VFO's mid-QSO to keep
>>centered.
>>I don't even think I've completed one, since I've gotten my relatively
>>modern "satellite rig" FT-847, despite several attempts to do-so.
>
> Dear Auke,
>
> It is very easy to get automatic doppler tuning working and I highly
> recommend
> it. Load up InstantTrack on any PC, even a DOS '386! and download
> InstantTune
> for free from the AMSAT web site here:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/software/PC/radio-control/itune110.zip
>
> Follow the instructions in the readme.txt file. It is very
> straightforward.
>
> ---
>
> There is no reason to work linear satellites without automatic doppler
> tuning. You need the PC anyway to track the satellite - just hookup
> the COM cable
> it makes satellite QSOs simple.
>
> VO-52 is very easy to work and is actually much easier than AO-07 since
> the
> downlink is so strong. You do not need to track the antennas - you can
> easily work it with omni-directional antennas. I have worked it with just
> an
> FT-817 running 5 watts into nothing more than a full wave loop a few feet
> above ground and another full wave loop for receiving. With an FT-847, it
> is a breeze.
>
> I do not know why you are having trouble with your FT-847 auto-tuning but
> if you need help, send me an email.
>
> 73 (and don't give up on VO-52!)
> Tony AA2TX
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:25:05 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
To: Joe <nss(AT)mwt.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<20080719042506.LUEW21138.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com(AT)Dave.san.rr.com>
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>Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
>
>in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
>
>Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the
>birds path across the sky,
>
>Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
>
>geeech,
>
>Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the
one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:29:32 -0700
From: "kc6uqh" <kc6uqh(AT)cox.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
To: <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>, <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
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Bob,
There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into
space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge
technoloigy of today.
Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each
other and everyone has complementry skills.
Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a
critical mass long enough to complete the project.
I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was
recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have
spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I
worked on.
How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC
present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a
bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience
required to build a satellite?
TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference
between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is
not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to
make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill
sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with
soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow
them to try.
Art, KC6UQH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
To: <AMSAT-BB(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
> Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be
> done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"...
> Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
>
> The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs
> to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the
> "management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires
> volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and
> thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from
> the peanut gallery...
>
> Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers
> we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting
> in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do
> that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing
> left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
>
> This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to
> the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now
> that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have
> about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham
> radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a
> need and jump in to fill it.
>
> It is very simple!
>
> If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise
> "get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement,
> and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and
> complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you
> don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go
> another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not
> ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making
> progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is
> made in volunteer organizations...
>
> This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30
> years...
> Bob, WB4APR
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:31:05 +0200
From: EB3SA - Carles <eb3sa(AT)eb3sa.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Grid JN00 on air
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Congratulations ?? ?ngel EA4DUT/5.
New grid JN00
Today at 0856 UTC on AO-51 V/U mode., ony with telescopic antenna.
Thanks
--
Carles Roy
eb3sa(AT)eb3sa.com
www.eb3sa.com
En/na Angel Pel?ez ha escrit:
> Hello everybody:
> I'm on holidays until next Monday 21st at Mediterranean coast on the mainly
marine (but with a small land corner) JN00 grid.
> My operation is only on FM birds on afternoon, AO-27.
> QSL is OK via buro.
> Thanks and good luck.
> EA4DUT/5 Angel
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada m?s inteligente.
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:44 -0400
From: Dee <morsesat(AT)optonline.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: How volunteerism works...
To: kc6uqh <kc6uqh(AT)cox.net>
Cc: Rick Hambly <w2gps(AT)amsat.org>, AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
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kc6uqh wrote:
>Bob,
>There was a time not long ago when one Amateur could do an amazing project.
>
>Today the multi-disiplines required to put a S/C together and get it into
>space, require a well managed team effort. This is true for any cutting edge
>technoloigy of today.
>
>Amateur Radio can only do team efforts, provided the team respects each
>other and everyone has complementry skills.
>
>Leadership is required to bring the skills needed together and maintain a
>critical mass long enough to complete the project.
>
>I came into electronics at an early age, restored a receiver that was
>recovered from a sunken ship and listened to Spuknik on it in 1957. I have
>spent my whole life in electronics and have enjoied the many projects I
>worked on.
>
>How many parents would allow there son to work on a receiver with 400VDC
>present in this day and age, where a helmet is now required to ride a
>bicycle? Where is the youth of today going to get the practical experience
>required to build a satellite?
>
> TV has all but ruined creativity and imagination. There is a big difference
>between a computer simulation and application in the physical form! AMSAT is
>not going to get many more chances to assemble a team that had the skills to
>make Oscar 10 and 13. Time is not on our side. Amatuers with the right skill
>sets are mostly my age, Most youth of today would have trouble with
>soldering and operating a screwdriver, that is if thier parents would alow
>them to try.
>
>Art, KC6UQH
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
>To: <AMSAT-BB(AT)AMSAT.Org>
>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:14 AM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] How volunteerism works...
>
>
>
>
>>Again we see lots and lots of ideas of what "needs to be
>>done"... And most of them are pointed at better "management"...
>>Or better "direction" of what is being done (by others)...
>>
>>The issue in an all volunteer organization is not "what" needs
>>to be done, but who will step forward and do it, not the
>>"management and direction" but the actual WORK. That requires
>>volunteers with the knowledge, skills, time and energy, and
>>thick skin, Especially under the hail of rocks and stones from
>>the peanut gallery...
>>
>>Counter productive to getting the work we need done (volunteers
>>we need) is the attitude from the peanut gallery about getting
>>in there and "kicking butt" and "better management"... You do
>>that in an all volunteer organization and soon there is nothing
>>left but managers and butt kickers and complainers.
>>
>>This happens in every aspect of ham radio all the way down to
>>the local clubs and all the way to the top. You'd think by now
>>that the old-fuds who clamour for more effort (from others) have
>>about 30 years of experience with how this does NOT work in ham
>>radio. Progress is made by self motivated individuals who see a
>>need and jump in to fill it.
>>
>>It is very simple!
>>
>>If you can contribute "work" then jump in and do it. Othwerwise
>>"get out of the way" and contribute money, food, encouragement,
>>and assistance to those that do. "Ankle-biting, naysaying, and
>>complaining" accomplish absolutely nothing forward. If you
>>don't like the direction things are going, then jump in and go
>>another way and see if you can find followers (workers, not
>>ditto-heads)... But get out of the way of those that are making
>>progress in their direction... That's the only way progress is
>>made in volunteer organizations...
>>
>>This is surely what this old-fud has learned in the last 30
>>years...
>>Bob, WB4APR
>>
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>
All,
I think that you are all on the same floor of the building now. After a
few days of postings, I'd like to chime in. What has happened in the past
with Satellite building is a that a group of "Friends" got together and
decided that "hey, let's do this!" As friends, they knew each other
well and
enjoyed each others company regardless of drawbacks and shortcomings.
On that level, as I believe, is how we should approach any management style.
As some of our shirts say "We all are (or not) Rocket scientists."
The goal is the same, to enjoy satellites built by our peers. The other
99% should support them with fund raisers, attending hamfests to show
others what we are trying to do and bring them on our side of the ropes.
I also noted a few weeks ago that there are BOD members openings and if
you feel that you could have offered better ideas and directions, you would
get on the proper bandwagon and ramp up towards that direction. I only
see 4 on the ballot. So once again, comments are shallow and only
potshots at the people that are volunteering their time, efforts,
experience and direction are flung out into the ether.
Constructive comments are always welcome to keep the organization on
track. Those that want to detract others from the smooth operation
of an organization as AMSAT-NA ,be ready with their services to back up
ideas with action.
73,
Dee, NB2F
NJ AMSAT Co-ordinator
East coast " "
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