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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - Operating Survey
(James French)
2. Antenna near gas lines? (RFI-EMI-GUY)
3. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - Operating Survey
(Dave hartzell)
4. Re: Volunteering (George Henry)
5. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. Re: Antenna near gas lines? (i8cvs)
7. Re: Antenna near gas lines? (Rick Mann)
8. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(Dave hartzell)
9. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(Edward Cole)
10. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - Operating Survey
(Paul Williamson)
11. AO-51 - 2225 Miles (Clint Bradford)
12. Re: Antenna near gas lines? (Greg D.)
13. 2225 Miles - AO-51 (Clint Bradford)
14. Re: Volunteering (mvm)
15. WD9EWK for Tuesday (22 July) (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
16. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - Operating Survey
(John Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:37 -0400
From: James French <w8iss(AT)wideopenwest.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
Operating Survey
Cc: "amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <1216691137.6298.37.camel(AT)localhost>
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On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 -0400, John Price wrote:
>
> I for one am very opposed to the 3 and 10 gig transponder. I have seen
> little or no interest in the 1.2 uplink. Folks are not willing to
> spend $500.00 to work a transponder that is mostly quite and
> could go away over night like 2.4 did with AO-40. Did anyone listen to
> the L/u AO-51 on Field Day.
> While V/u was jammed I worked the first station I heard on L/u and
> there were maybe 5 others on that pass. I don't maintain 1.2 gig
> equipment here. It is not worth the investment.
And what would be the trigger for you to invest in the equipment? There
is NO GAURUNTEES that any of these new birds will get to orbit in one
peice. Look at AO-40. She was a GREAT birds at the beginning, then
something happened and all we had were a couple of uplinks with one
downlink.
Where is your sense of adventure with experimenting with something new
and untested? How are you helping advance the Art of Amateur Radio and
Satellites if we are STUCK back in the stone ages with 2m and 70cm and
FM birds?
I for one would and have invested in the higher bands as I am also using
that equipment for Rovering and some contesting which I have found that
I really like. I also use this equipment to talk around my area/state.
This equipment with a little modification is can also be used for when
we have a HEO or GEO satellite in orbit.
I WANT more digital store-and-forward birds along with more Sideband
voice birds on bands OTHER than 2mand 70cm. Right now there is no
CHALLENGE in the current crop of satellites we have when all I can do
MOST of the time is get on and have enough time to get a GRID SQUARE
and a NAME/CALLSIGN of the person I am talking to. I want to be able
to hold a net where I can talk to a NUMBER of people and find out more
about everyone or ask for help and get it. I want to be able to send
video via these new birds of my latest project or of the 'kids' as they
operate. I want to be able to demonstrate what Amatuer radio is and can
do that the internet can't. I want to be able to TINKER on these new
birds with a new mode that I have either developed or have an interest
in. I want to be able to use that new microwave transverter for things
other than to talk to or see (video) locals.
Where is EVERYONES sense of experimentation or did we as amateur radio
operators/licenses leave that at the door when we got licensed or are we
just content with what has been done and happy to sit on our laurels
and let the world leave us behind as a group that WILL die out in about
twenty/thirty years as we don't have any NEW blood to carry on with the
experimentation, thinking, and tinkering? Are we going to let the
INTERNET be the thing to determine how and where we go as a group?
Everyone on here gripes about how the internet is taking away everything
what about how we are making things interesting to entice these people
in the hobby and into Satellites? Where is the challenge anymore? I
want to be able to EXPERIMENT on thse new crop of birds, not just sit
around on 2m and 70cm and make a couple quick qso's to exchange grid
squares!!!
Bill, I looked at your webpage and see that you MIGHT have a reason to
have new birds up and running other than just as a member that wants to
help out AMSAT through these trying times. I see no problem with that at
all as AMSAT has had others like you on the BoD before and they have
done a great job of not compromising their integrity as a Director. I
just don't see anything saying if you are a owner or an employee of this
company. Could you enlighten me and the others before I make a decision
on which three candidates are the best?
James W8ISS - a voting member that has issues with the current crop of
APPLIANCE OPERATORS on the amateur bands!!!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:26:52 -0400
From: RFI-EMI-GUY <Rhyolite(AT)NETTALLY.COM>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna near gas lines?
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <4885456C.4050304(AT)NETTALLY.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Resist any temptation to ground to the gas pipe.
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"?
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
"Follow The Money" ;-P
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:39:53 -0500
From: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
Operating Survey
To: "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
<1c096fd70807211939j39ff6558ib9886efbb2aebf1c(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Bob,
I guess when I took the survey, there were some obvious "cost-benefit"
options that I gleaned out of the questions...
Obviously, the GEO is probably the most expensive, with HEO being
close to it, and the LEO being the least expensive.
It should be up to the membership to help influence our future, and up
to the management to work out the finance details, or provide us with
the feasible options...
Dave
AF6KD
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga(AT)usna.edu> wrote:
> We would all like the best possible satellite providing 24/7
> worldwide communications to a small 18" antenna that provides
> both voice, data, video, and internet. The problem is,
> -at-what-cost-and-what-tradeoffs???
>
> Unless each question that offers a benefit, also weighs that
> benefit against the cost and risk, and loss of other efforts,
> the data is of little meaningfull value.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:55 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw(AT)att.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
To: <w5ggw(AT)wonderly.org>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <001201c8eba5$10c11680$0601a8c0(AT)parents>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Wonderly" <w5ggw(AT)cox.net>
To: <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Cc: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
[snip]
> Some of the more popular video games, which are Multiuser online games,
> have
> whole ecosystems in them. I've watched various people become very
> infatuated
> with those echosystems and their challenges and rewards. They are easy to
^^^^^^^^^
Was that a Freudian slip, Gregg?
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:52:52 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>, "Amsat BB"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <1CEE63EC11514FA5B1E1B1E6333E55F7(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
>
> Obviously, the GEO is probably the most expensive, with HEO being
> close to it,
Not necessarily. A small package on Intelsat may be significantly more
affordable than Eagle. On the other hand, putting everything from Eagle on
Intelsat would likely be more expensive. There are also considerably
different risks. Eagle has all the things we've been good about messing up
previously, and a Intelsat rideshare has almost none. As Bob B said
earlier...there are several tradeoffs to consider, and let me say even the
BOD doesn't have the full details to consider yet.
Personally, I'm in favor of doing whatever project gets us on station with
long distance comms first, without breaking the piggybank, or too much risk.
It is, without a doubt, a very difficult and complicated decision.
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:08:08 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna near gas lines?
To: "Rick Mann" <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>, "amsat Org"
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <006101c8eba8$2ae5de80$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Mann" <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>
To: "amsat Org" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna near gas lines?
> Hi. Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post.
>
> I recently moved into a townhouse with a lovely homeowner's
> association. Rather than fight them putting up my antenna outside, I
> decided to just mount it inside my attic. I found a spot about 3 feet
> away from a vertical run of the gas line to the heater (also in the
> attic). My first choice as a location right next to it, 'till I
> realized it was there.
>
> Should I be concerned about creating an explosion hazard? My
> transmitter outputs a maximum of 100 W, and it's going into a Diamond
> X-30 antenna (http://www.diamond-ant.jp/ama2/eng_ama_2_2_3.asp).
>
> I wouldn't think it should be a problem, since it's metal pipe, and an
> RF energy is unlikely to go through the gas. But sadly, I don't
> remember what I learned when I took my test, if it even addressed this
> issue.
>
> Any advice would be welcome.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Rick
Hi Rick
Normally the metal pipes for gas are interrupted by insulating joints
to prevent electrolitic corrosion and the RF currents induced over it
by your antenna are flowing over the outside metal surface because
of the skin effect and they cannot penetrate inside were the gas flow.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:15:41 -0700
From: Rick Mann <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna near gas lines?
To: Rhyolite(AT)NETTALLY.COM
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <3DD2A79D-4717-4C80-88A5-8BA78C9BFCE5(AT)latencyzero.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
On Jul 21, 2008, at 19:26:52, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
> Resist any temptation to ground to the gas pipe.
Heh. It hadn't even crossed my mind.
--
Rick
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:28:58 -0500
From: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID:
<1c096fd70807212128y7bddf33dl7524d28f11e594f0(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Obviously, the GEO is probably the most expensive, with HEO being
>> close to it,
>
> Not necessarily. A small package on Intelsat may be significantly more
> affordable than Eagle. On the other hand, putting everything from Eagle on
> Intelsat would likely be more expensive. There are also considerably
> different risks. Eagle has all the things we've been good about messing up
> previously, and a Intelsat rideshare has almost none.
As much as I like the idea of an Intelsat ride share, I think there
will be too much non-satellite, non-ham stuff involved, e.g. legal
things and contracts. What kind of MOUs, memorandums, contracts, etc.
are going to be involved? Will hands be tied, due to some kind of
required assurance, from either Intelsat or its manufacturer? Will we
have to buy expensive insurance, so that if the payload malfunctions
and disruptions Intelsat operations, things are covered? What
commitments and assurances need to be put into place?
No one knows at this point. Intelsat isn't going to be thrilled with
a low-quality product from us, so therefore AMSAT's costs go up, to
help minimize their risks.
> As Bob B said earlier...there are several tradeoffs to consider, and let me
> say even the BOD doesn't have the full details to consider yet.
So this is why attaching a "costs vs. benefits" analysis to a simple
survey is so difficult!
> Personally, I'm in favor of doing whatever project gets us on station with
> long distance comms first, without breaking the piggybank, or too much risk.
> It is, without a doubt, a very difficult and complicated decision.
I'm glad we can agree on this!
Honestly, thanks for chiming into the BB, Drew. It is my hope that
all the other directors are reading.
73,
Dave
AF6KD (ex n0tgd)
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:26:16 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: "Dave hartzell" <hartzell(AT)gmail.com>, "Andrew Glasbrenner"
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <200807220526.m6M5QHUu012747(AT)malik.acsalaska.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 08:28 PM 7/21/2008, Dave hartzell wrote:
>On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
><glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Obviously, the GEO is probably the most expensive, with HEO being
> >> close to it,
> >
> > Not necessarily. A small package on Intelsat may be significantly more
> > affordable than Eagle. On the other hand, putting everything from Eagle on
> > Intelsat would likely be more expensive. There are also considerably
> > different risks. Eagle has all the things we've been good about messing up
> > previously, and a Intelsat rideshare has almost none.
>
>As much as I like the idea of an Intelsat ride share, I think there
>will be too much non-satellite, non-ham stuff involved, e.g. legal
>things and contracts. What kind of MOUs, memorandums, contracts, etc.
>are going to be involved? Will hands be tied, due to some kind of
>required assurance, from either Intelsat or its manufacturer? Will we
>have to buy expensive insurance, so that if the payload malfunctions
>and disruptions Intelsat operations, things are covered? What
>commitments and assurances need to be put into place?
>
>No one knows at this point. Intelsat isn't going to be thrilled with
>a low-quality product from us, so therefore AMSAT's costs go up, to
>help minimize their risks.
>
> > As Bob B said earlier...there are several tradeoffs to consider, and let
me
> > say even the BOD doesn't have the full details to consider yet.
>
>So this is why attaching a "costs vs. benefits" analysis to a simple
>survey is so difficult!
>
> > Personally, I'm in favor of doing whatever project gets us on station with
> > long distance comms first, without breaking the piggybank, or too
> much risk.
> > It is, without a doubt, a very difficult and complicated decision.
>
>I'm glad we can agree on this!
>
>Honestly, thanks for chiming into the BB, Drew. It is my hope that
>all the other directors are reading.
>
>73,
>
>Dave
>AF6KD (ex n0tgd)
The Intelsat should be much less expensive:
1-free ride
2-free power
3-free stabilization
All you provide is RF, antennas, and a communication processor.
But the location is specified by Intelsat so only one-third of the
earth is covered. Which third do you chose for satellite #1. For
whole-earth coverage you need rides to three locations 120-deg
longitude apart. Far north latitudes will probably not get coverage
due to low angles to GEO.
For my location at 60.7 latitude the GEO path is 21 degrees elevation
due south and is lower as you move east or west.
So continuing with Eagle offers world coverage over a couple days of
orbiting. GEO stays in one position.
I will see you in Anchorage, Drew!
*****************************************************
73, Ed - KL7UW BP40iq, 6m - 3cm
144-EME: FT-847, mgf-1801, 4x-xp20, 185w
http://www.kl7uw.com AK VHF-Up Group
NA Rep. for DUBUS: dubususa(AT)hotmail.com
*****************************************************
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:11:01 -0700
From: Paul Williamson <kb5mu(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
Operating Survey
To: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <a06230901c4ab27cd569e(AT)[192.168.0.17]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The survey states:
>6. The use of the ACP mode will permit operation with antennas similar to the
18" dish used in direct broadcast television which would get around having
antennas in CCR or antenna restricted communities.
That is incorrect, or at least misleading. The federal preemption of CC&R's
for small satellite dishes only applies to dishes that are designed to receive
television broadcast or transceive fixed wireless. The FCC has made it very
clear that it does not apply to amateur radio antennas, no matter how much
they may resemble TV antennas.
Reference: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
The best we can hope for by designing for small dish antennas that resemble
DBS antennas is to slip under the radar and be mistaken for TV receivers. If
it comes down to any controversy over the placement of the antenna, we would
have no protection from the FCC.
73 -Paul
kb5mu(AT)amsat.org
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:04:54 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 - 2225 Miles
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <DE3AAE78-0EBE-4BF1-98B9-EB131A0D0966(AT)earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
I realize this doesn't set any records of any sort, but it sure
impressed me: Contacted N3TL in Athens, GA this evening from Mira
Loma, CA on AO-51. That's 2225 miles' distance on the ground.
What a wonderful hobby....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:37:58 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna near gas lines?
To: amsat Org <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BLU133-W4458DE84E850ED4424824FA9850(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Rick,
The only other thing I would add is to be sure that the RF doesn't find its
way to the furnace's controller or thermostat. I have a dipole strung across
the ridge of our roof (end-to-end, about a foot above it), with the upstairs
furnace in the attic below. Depending on its mood (the only explanation I can
think of), I sometimes hear strange and loud noises from up there when I work
40 meters. It doesn't happen all the time, but it can't be good when it does.
Greg KO6TH.
----------------------------------------
> From: domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it
> To: rmann(AT)latencyzero.com; amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:08:08 +0200
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna near gas lines?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Mann"
> To: "amsat Org"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:42 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna near gas lines?
>
>
>> Hi. Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post.
>>
>> I recently moved into a townhouse with a lovely homeowner's
>> association. Rather than fight them putting up my antenna outside, I
>> decided to just mount it inside my attic. I found a spot about 3 feet
>> away from a vertical run of the gas line to the heater (also in the
>> attic). My first choice as a location right next to it, 'till I
>> realized it was there.
>>
>> Should I be concerned about creating an explosion hazard? My
>> transmitter outputs a maximum of 100 W, and it's going into a Diamond
>> X-30 antenna (http://www.diamond-ant.jp/ama2/eng_ama_2_2_3.asp).
>>
>> I wouldn't think it should be a problem, since it's metal pipe, and an
>> RF energy is unlikely to go through the gas. But sadly, I don't
>> remember what I learned when I took my test, if it even addressed this
>> issue.
>>
>> Any advice would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Rick
>
> Hi Rick
>
> Normally the metal pipes for gas are interrupted by insulating joints
> to prevent electrolitic corrosion and the RF currents induced over it
> by your antenna are flowing over the outside metal surface because
> of the skin effect and they cannot penetrate inside were the gas flow.
>
> 73" de
>
> i8CVS Domenico
>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:52:18 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2225 Miles - AO-51
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <6E3CCF89-7BA8-47D6-8179-B6BACB93EAA1(AT)earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
I realize this doesn't set any records of any sort, but it sure
impressed me: Contacted N3TL in Athens, GA this evening from Mira
Loma, CA on AO-51. That's 2225 miles' distance on the ground.
What a wonderful hobby....
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:34:00 +0200
From: mvm <amvm(AT)skynet.be>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
To: "Rick Hambly (W2GPS)" <w2gps(AT)cnssys.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48858D68.6010708(AT)skynet.be>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Rick,
I'm volunteering to work on that.
BR,
--
/\/\arc
LM2304
Rick Hambly (W2GPS) schreef:
> Marc Vermeersch (ON4AMV),
>
> I understand your experience with the volunteer form on the Web site. That
> data has been going into a database managed by Perry W3PK. Then people in
> AMSAT who need help are supposed to go to Perry to get excerpts from this
> database and contact the people on the list for help. Clearly that process
> is not working.
>
> I have ideas on how to make the volunteer database more useful but it will
> take a volunteer to write an application to make this data available on-line
> and let the owner of the data change it as their situation changes.
>
> I apologize if I am not responsive enough on amsat-bb. I have a real job
> that must be attended to as well and there are only so many hours in a day.
>
> Rick
> W2GPS
> AMSAT LM2232
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WD9EWK for Tuesday (22 July)
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <840302.6250.qm(AT)web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello again!
It's after midnight (0700 UTC)... not as much driving today
(almost 400 miles/640km Monday, compared to over 500 miles/800km
Sunday), but still a lot of activity from 5 grids (DM25, DM26,
DM36, DM46, DM47) today on all 3 FM satellites. Thanks to all
the stations calling me and making contacts with me so far (22
QSOs on one AO-51 pass tonight!).
This morning, I was on from near Lake Powell (DM46fx/DM47fa)
in Arizona just south of the Utah state line. Just before
midday (local time), I stopped at grid DM36pu in northern
Arizona (north of the Grand Canyon) for an SO-50 pass. Then
a stop just off the I-15 freeway in northwestern Arizona
(DM36at) for the first of two AO-27 passes followed by moving
a few miles/km to park on the DM26xt/DM36at grid boundary
for the second AO-27 pass. Then off to Las Vegas, parking on
the DM25jx/DM26ja grid boundary on the south end of the Las
Vegas Strip for the two AO-51 passes.
For Tuesday, my main objective is to try to put DM24 on the
air a couple of times before returning home. I have not
decided if I will park on grid-boundary lines as I have
done or just stop wherever I happen to be and get on from
there. DM24 straddles Arizona and California, and this is
one grid in 2 1/2 years I have never heard on the air. I
will try to work both AO-27 passes from somewhere within
this grid. Beyond that, I might try for one of the midday
SO-50 passes and *possibly* the first (eastern) AO-51 pass
as I'm driving back to Phoenix.
As of tonight, I have driven about 1200 miles/2000km since
leaving home on Thursday for the hamfest in northern Arizona
last Friday and Saturday. I have transmitted from 9 different
grids in and around Arizona in the past few days (DM25, DM26,
DM35, DM36, DM45, DM46, DM47, DM56, DM57). Hopefully that grid
count will go to at least 10, or maybe 11, depending on how
tomorrow turns out. I've logged 152 QSOs since Thursday.
Tomorrow will add at least 300 miles/500km driving to what
I've done already, and more QSOs.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK - currently in Las Vegas, Nevada
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:34:01 -0400
From: "John Price" <n4qwf1(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
Operating Survey
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James, I wont be investing in 3 gig equipment. If I had plenty of
money and lots of expertise all things would be possible. In the real
world it just don't work that way. You are trying to sell Amateur
Satellite service to the masses by offering them a chance to work
something that they can't use or afford. The time and expense that is
put into developing transponders that you can't buy a radio to work is
not practical. Do you know that Yaesu has withdrawn from the satellite
market? Kenwood offers the 1.2 gig module for there 2000 at a cost of
an additional $500.00 making that radio over $2000.00. That is it as
far as I know for off the shelf rigs for 1.2 gig. Downeast has a
upconverter for about the same cost as the Kenwood module. Now in the
real world that is a bunch to invest to add one band to your station.
Your comment concerning appliance operators sure wont endear many new
hams to Amsat. I have no formal training in electronics. I spent 25
years as a Deputy Sheriff and knew nothing
of ham radio or electronics when I got my ticket. Over the past 20
years I have learned a little
thanks to a bunch of wonderful skilled hams. Together with one of my
friends a RF engineer who retired from GE we built a 1.2 gig station
for field day a year ago out of a old Master III and a
signal generator. Got the contact and was mighty proud. I have
listened on L/u a few times since and have worked three contacts. If
the 3 gig flys I might decide to do the same thing. My point
is how many of those "appliance operators" are going to be able to do
the same. We are going to have another satellite with a bunch of
electronics that might get used by 10 people.
My since of adventure is tempered by my practicallity I guess.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:45 PM, James French <w8iss(AT)wideopenwest.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 -0400, John Price wrote:
>>
>> I for one am very opposed to the 3 and 10 gig transponder. I have seen
>> little or no interest in the 1.2 uplink. Folks are not willing to
>> spend $500.00 to work a transponder that is mostly quite and
>> could go away over night like 2.4 did with AO-40. Did anyone listen to
>> the L/u AO-51 on Field Day.
>> While V/u was jammed I worked the first station I heard on L/u and
>> there were maybe 5 others on that pass. I don't maintain 1.2 gig
>> equipment here. It is not worth the investment.
>
> And what would be the trigger for you to invest in the equipment? There
> is NO GAURUNTEES that any of these new birds will get to orbit in one
> peice. Look at AO-40. She was a GREAT birds at the beginning, then
> something happened and all we had were a couple of uplinks with one
> downlink.
>
> Where is your sense of adventure with experimenting with something new
> and untested? How are you helping advance the Art of Amateur Radio and
> Satellites if we are STUCK back in the stone ages with 2m and 70cm and
> FM birds?
>
> I for one would and have invested in the higher bands as I am also using
> that equipment for Rovering and some contesting which I have found that
> I really like. I also use this equipment to talk around my area/state.
> This equipment with a little modification is can also be used for when
> we have a HEO or GEO satellite in orbit.
>
> I WANT more digital store-and-forward birds along with more Sideband
> voice birds on bands OTHER than 2mand 70cm. Right now there is no
> CHALLENGE in the current crop of satellites we have when all I can do
> MOST of the time is get on and have enough time to get a GRID SQUARE
> and a NAME/CALLSIGN of the person I am talking to. I want to be able
> to hold a net where I can talk to a NUMBER of people and find out more
> about everyone or ask for help and get it. I want to be able to send
> video via these new birds of my latest project or of the 'kids' as they
> operate. I want to be able to demonstrate what Amatuer radio is and can
> do that the internet can't. I want to be able to TINKER on these new
> birds with a new mode that I have either developed or have an interest
> in. I want to be able to use that new microwave transverter for things
> other than to talk to or see (video) locals.
>
> Where is EVERYONES sense of experimentation or did we as amateur radio
> operators/licenses leave that at the door when we got licensed or are we
> just content with what has been done and happy to sit on our laurels
> and let the world leave us behind as a group that WILL die out in about
> twenty/thirty years as we don't have any NEW blood to carry on with the
> experimentation, thinking, and tinkering? Are we going to let the
> INTERNET be the thing to determine how and where we go as a group?
> Everyone on here gripes about how the internet is taking away everything
> what about how we are making things interesting to entice these people
> in the hobby and into Satellites? Where is the challenge anymore? I
> want to be able to EXPERIMENT on thse new crop of birds, not just sit
> around on 2m and 70cm and make a couple quick qso's to exchange grid
> squares!!!
>
> Bill, I looked at your webpage and see that you MIGHT have a reason to
> have new birds up and running other than just as a member that wants to
> help out AMSAT through these trying times. I see no problem with that at
> all as AMSAT has had others like you on the BoD before and they have
> done a great job of not compromising their integrity as a Director. I
> just don't see anything saying if you are a owner or an employee of this
> company. Could you enlighten me and the others before I make a decision
> on which three candidates are the best?
>
> James W8ISS - a voting member that has issues with the current crop of
> APPLIANCE OPERATORS on the amateur bands!!!
>
>
>
>
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Internet N4QWF(AT)AMSAT.ORG
Echolink nodes #110903 -L #388463
Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ
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DXCC #33,478
VUCC SAT #135
WAS SAT #296
51 on AO-51 #13
LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
>From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly
proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
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