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Today's Topics:
1. [Fwd: Class 10, 000/100, 000 Clean Rooms Available Free of
Charge] (Tim Tuck)
2. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - Operating Survey
(Dave Guimont)
3. Just finished the survey (Michael Tondee)
4. Re: AO-51 repeaters (Fred VE3FAL)
5. Class 10, 000/100, 000 Clean Rooms Available Free of Charge
(Tim Tuck)
6. Off List Replies (joe cassano aka jmario)
7. Re: BATC streaming TV of 2008 colloquium (Graham Shirville)
8. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(Ronald Long)
9. Re: Cost of an HEO launch (Lee McLamb)
10. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(Lee McLamb)
11. Re: Cost of an HEO launch (Bill Ress)
12. Re: 2.4Ghz satellites and signals ? (Tim Tuck)
13. Re: 2.4Ghz satellites and signals ? (Tim Tuck)
14. Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate - OperatingSurvey
(John Franke)
15. Re: Cost of an HEO launch (SV1BSX)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:39:26 +1000
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] [Fwd: Class 10, 000/100, 000 Clean Rooms
Available Free of Charge]
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <4886376E.8020306(AT)penrith.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
Hi all,
I wouldn't normally forward commercial email to the list but this may be
useful to any satellite builders looking for for a facility like this.
regards
Tim
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:03:29 -0700
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
Operating Survey
To: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus(AT)mcn.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<20080722200332.HZRT19640.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com(AT)Dave.san.rr.com>
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>
> >Quite the contrary, I think AMSAT could benefit from having more folks
> >like me with technology industry experience helping guide AMSAT's
> >future. After all, a satellite is one big hunk of state of the art
> >technology.
> >
> >Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
>I voted for you.
>KB7ADL
I'm sure a lot of us voted for him, or will..
Finally, we get some positive statements of what will be done,
instead of trying to justify what has been done...
Shades of Robin, I guess 10 years ago!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:07:31 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Just finished the survey
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00e001c8ec3e$f53ea4f0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
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I have to say I'm in agreement with some of the comments already expressed
here. I found some of the answer choices too limiting. For instance I'm like
everone else in that I'd like to see an HEO launched, or a GEO if it's at all
within the relam of possibility but I wonder if there shouldn't be a parallel
pursuit of an LEO linear transponder bird. I just have this fear of putting
all our eggs in one basket with an HEO only to find we will never be able to
find a launch for it.
I've already expressed the opinion that P3E will be finished at the end of
this year and then languish in storage for God knows how long before a launch
can be found.
I do sincerely hope I'm wrong but suppose I'm right. What is the fallback
plan?
FO-29 is gone as far as North America is concerned and the venerable AO-7
probably can't sustain it's wonderful ressurection forever. That leaves VO-52
and Delfi -C3 when it comes to linear transponders. Tell me if I'm missing
one.
Unlike some here, I am one that enjoys the FM birds but doesn't AMSAT-NA need
to be at least considering a linear transponder LEO? It may very well be the
best we can do.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:45:07 -0400
From: "Fred VE3FAL" <flesnick(AT)tbaytel.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 repeaters
To: <APBIDDLE(AT)mailaps.org>, "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00a701c8ec44$353c88b0$bd00a8c0(AT)radioroom>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I will listen at the 23:06 pass today and see if I hear anything...
Fred
VE3FAL
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Alan P. Biddle
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:02 AM
To: 'AMSAT-BB'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-51 repeaters
Fred,
Good pass this AM, 1152Z, but as last night, no users.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:04:41 +1000
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Class 10, 000/100, 000 Clean Rooms Available Free
of Charge
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48865979.20206(AT)penrith.net>
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ok... lets try things again....
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regards
Tim
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:23:32 -0400
From: joe cassano aka jmario <jmario(AT)fast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Off List Replies
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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All:
Please view this post as a gentle request/suggestion - this post is most
definitely not intended as a rebuke or flame ...
This list serves a number of purposes. I think some of the most useful
purposes of this list are to allow folks to learn from other folks
experiences and to build a searchable collection of community knowledge
(I've had more that a few Google searches lead back to the amsat bb).
In order to share experiences and learn from other's experiences I
suggest that the well intended phrase "please reply off-list" be used
only when it is obvious that the information to be shared is not of
general interest (such as replying to an item for sale or participating
in a heated dispute).
FWIW, I just happen to have a G5400 rotor pair and a Primestar dish
sitting in the garage waiting to be installed in my back yard and am
also interested in any responses to:
>
> I've got a G5500 rotor on its way to my QTH very soon, to become a part of
my station. I also have a Primestar dish, the really oblong one with a single
feed arm, that I want to mount on the rotor. I need some suggestions about
how to mount, balance, and calibrate the dish so I don't muck up the whole
thing.
>
> Please reply off-list
>
I suggest we view most of the questions asked on this list in the same
manner that an instructor/teacher in high school or college might view a
question from a student. If one student is asking a question the odds
are that there are several folks who have the same question and can make
good use of the answer(s).
Regards,
JoeC K3FMA
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:30:11 +0100
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville(AT)btinternet.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: BATC streaming TV of 2008 colloquium
To: "Jim Heck" <jim(AT)milnet.uk.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org, T5z4(AT)aol.com
Message-ID: <011e01c8ec4a$819156e0$061410ac(AT)allgood.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
Hi Steve,
Good question...
Web streaming shud start from 1300GMT on Friday 25th July until approx 1700GMT
On Saturday 26th July from 0800 GMT until 1800GMT
On Sunday 27th July from 0900 GMT until 1500GMT
hope that helps
all times are approximate and subject to alteration!
cheers
Graham G3VZV
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:T5z4(AT)aol.com]
Sent: 22 July 2008 20:51
To: g3wgm(AT)amsat.org
Subject: BATC streaming TV of 2008 colloquium
For those of us around the that will be watching...In GMT, what time will
BATC be streaming realtime colloquium activities. None of the press on this
event/coverage has said specifically what time we should begin to watch.
Thanks,
Steve
K5PK
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:58:44 -0400
From: Ronald Long <rlong3(AT)columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080722195726.01230098(AT)columbus.rr.com>
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I do not think this is helpful. IMHO a survey should come from the
BOD, and the design should incorporate the thoughts of a number of
persons - the BOD, of course, but also others that the BOD recruits.
ron w8gus
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:02:09 -0400
From: Lee McLamb <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cost of an HEO launch
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <200807222102.09720.ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
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Yes, AMSAT has been closely watching the developments with SpaceX for several
years. I've also spoken with several people from the company. Currently they
do not have a launch vehicle capable of reaching GTO type orbits. That will
change as they bring the Falcon-9 on line. I think the encouraging part is
they are already accommodating secondary payloads on Falcon-1 missions. What
types of capabilities the Falcon-9 will have are as yet unknown.
My day job at the Eastern Range also happens to include working on the Falcon
program as SpaceX converts and activates Complex 40 for Falcon-9 launches.
73,
Lee-KU4OS
AMSAT Exec. VP
On Sunday 20 July 2008 15:45:32 Bill Ress wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> While SpaceX only works with primary single manifest customers, but if
> those customers can't use the entire payload, then they can work with
> third party multi-manifest "brokers" and we in turn could work with
> these multi-manifest "brokers" for a piece of the payload. For sure,
> lots of negotiating required when and if we find that a primary manifest
> customer doesn't need the whole payload.
>
> I really don't know if AMSAT management has any activity pursuing this
> avenue of launch, but if they don't, they should!!
>
> Regards,,,Bill - N6GHz (AMSAT Board Candidate)
>
> Dave hartzell wrote:
> > David-
> >
> > Actually, the SpaceX Falcon 1 or 1e could put a spacecraft into HEO or
> > lunar transfer orbit:
> >
> > http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf
> >
> > The stated cost for this is around $9m. Of course, they haven't
> > gotten a successful orbit yet from a F1....maybe the third time will
> > be the charm. Hitching a ride on a larger launch vehicle like the F9
> > is interesting, assuming there is capacity and the willingness to be a
> > guinea pig (and there WILL be a cost to anyone wanting a ride)...
> >
> > It will be interesting to see what launch opportunities will be
> > available in the next few years (if any)...
> >
> > Dave
> > AF6KD
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, <G0MRF(AT)aol.com> wrote:
> >> The anticipated 'going rate' for this new vehicle is shown at the bottom
> >> of the page.
> >>
> >> _http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php_ (http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php)
> >>
> >>
> >> Test flight anyone?
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:10:12 -0400
From: Lee McLamb <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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On Tuesday 22 July 2008 08:11:56 Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Some replies to Ed's comments:
> > The Intelsat should be much less expensive:
> > 1-free ride
> > 2-free power
> > 3-free stabilization
>
> Let me clarify this some. It is -not- a free ride. Intelsat will charge us
> for the loss of operational time for every kg of stationkeeping fuel they
> offload to accomondate our extra mass. There may be some recurring expenses
> as well.
Actually one of the things that makes an Intelsat rideshare more affordable
now is that because the launch vehicles have gotten bigger, they typically
would not have to offload any fuel due to our small mass increase. However,
the increase in mass does increase their consumption rate of station keeping
fuel. The resulting reduced operating life expectancy is certainly part of
the equation that they will include in quoting prices.
73,
Lee-KU4OS
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:13:36 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cost of an HEO launch
To: Lee McLamb <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <488685C0.6030207(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
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Hi Lee,
Thanks for your input on SpaceX. Do you know if AMSAT has contacted any
of the multi-manifest brokers working with SpaceX to try and flush out
cost versus payload estimates on the multi-manifest payloads?
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Lee McLamb wrote:
> Yes, AMSAT has been closely watching the developments with SpaceX for
several
> years. I've also spoken with several people from the company. Currently
they
> do not have a launch vehicle capable of reaching GTO type orbits. That will
> change as they bring the Falcon-9 on line. I think the encouraging part is
> they are already accommodating secondary payloads on Falcon-1 missions.
What
> types of capabilities the Falcon-9 will have are as yet unknown.
>
> My day job at the Eastern Range also happens to include working on the
Falcon
> program as SpaceX converts and activates Complex 40 for Falcon-9 launches.
>
> 73,
> Lee-KU4OS
> AMSAT Exec. VP
>
> On Sunday 20 July 2008 15:45:32 Bill Ress wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> While SpaceX only works with primary single manifest customers, but if
>> those customers can't use the entire payload, then they can work with
>> third party multi-manifest "brokers" and we in turn could work with
>> these multi-manifest "brokers" for a piece of the payload. For sure,
>> lots of negotiating required when and if we find that a primary manifest
>> customer doesn't need the whole payload.
>>
>> I really don't know if AMSAT management has any activity pursuing this
>> avenue of launch, but if they don't, they should!!
>>
>> Regards,,,Bill - N6GHz (AMSAT Board Candidate)
>>
>> Dave hartzell wrote:
>>
>>> David-
>>>
>>> Actually, the SpaceX Falcon 1 or 1e could put a spacecraft into HEO or
>>> lunar transfer orbit:
>>>
>>> http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf
>>>
>>> The stated cost for this is around $9m. Of course, they haven't
>>> gotten a successful orbit yet from a F1....maybe the third time will
>>> be the charm. Hitching a ride on a larger launch vehicle like the F9
>>> is interesting, assuming there is capacity and the willingness to be a
>>> guinea pig (and there WILL be a cost to anyone wanting a ride)...
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see what launch opportunities will be
>>> available in the next few years (if any)...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> AF6KD
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, <G0MRF(AT)aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The anticipated 'going rate' for this new vehicle is shown at the bottom
>>>> of the page.
>>>>
>>>> _http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php_ (http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Test flight anyone?
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>>> program! Subscription settings:
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>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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author.
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>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:28:40 +1000
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2.4Ghz satellites and signals ?
To: i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48868948.9040901(AT)penrith.net>
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i8cvs wrote:
> Depending on the gain of your antenna and the overall Noise Figure of your
> receiving system, you can try to receive the Sun Noise at 2400 MHz
>
> Using my 4 ft parabolic dish ( gain = 27 dBi ) and my receiving system with
> an overall Noise Figure = 0.98 dB I get actually about a (S+N)/N = 3.5 dB
> of Sun Noise with the actual solar flux of 66 sfu at 2800 MHz
>
> Receiving Sun Noise tell you if your receiving system is working or not
> according to your antenna and receiver specifications because our calibrated
> noise source at no cost is the Sun.
>
> By the way a little of Radioastronomy at 2400 MHz is all we can do waiting
> for P3E
>
> If you are interested on it please let me know.
>
Hi Domenico,
Thanks for this, I'll have a go at it this weekend. Since its winter down here
its dark when I leave or arrive home to/from work so I wont see the Sun until
then.
I'd like to do a little radio astronomy and I've actually been listening to
Juptier on 20.1Mhz with SkyPipe so anymore info greatly appreciated.
regards
Tim
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:28:49 +1000
From: "Tim Tuck" <tim.tuck(AT)penrith.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2.4Ghz satellites and signals ?
To: Roger Kolakowski <rogerkola(AT)aol.com>
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Roger Kolakowski wrote:
> Depending how wide your IF is...this list is fun:
>
> http://www.uhf-satcom.com/
>
Hi Roger,
Thanks for this link! its opened a whole new world of satellite listening for
me :)
regards
Tim
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:31:12 -0400
From: "John Franke" <jmfranke(AT)cox.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
To: "Lee McLamb" <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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One issue that arose in earlier talks with commercial satellite providers
was the fact that the Earth facing side of the satellite was covered with
commercial antennas. There was scant little area left to place a
significant sized Earth facing amateur radio antenna.
John WA4WDL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee McLamb" <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Bill Ress - N6GHz - Board Candidate -
OperatingSurvey
> On Tuesday 22 July 2008 08:11:56 Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>> Some replies to Ed's comments:
>> > The Intelsat should be much less expensive:
>> > 1-free ride
>> > 2-free power
>> > 3-free stabilization
>>
>> Let me clarify this some. It is -not- a free ride. Intelsat will charge
>> us
>> for the loss of operational time for every kg of stationkeeping fuel they
>> offload to accomondate our extra mass. There may be some recurring
>> expenses
>> as well.
>
> Actually one of the things that makes an Intelsat rideshare more
> affordable
> now is that because the launch vehicles have gotten bigger, they typically
> would not have to offload any fuel due to our small mass increase.
> However,
> the increase in mass does increase their consumption rate of station
> keeping
> fuel. The resulting reduced operating life expectancy is certainly part
> of
> the equation that they will include in quoting prices.
>
> 73,
> Lee-KU4OS
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:39:49 +0300
From: "SV1BSX" <sv1bsx(AT)yahoo.gr>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cost of an HEO launch
To: "Bill Ress" <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Hi,
I have seen a moovie on TV a month ago, about SEA-LAUNCH,
an alternative way to launch rockets for commercial Satellites.
It was amazing the ship-pad in the middle of Pacific !
I don't know if that is a cheaper launcher or not, however take a look:
http://www.boeing.com/special/sea-launch/
73, Mak SV1BSX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ress" <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
To: "Lee McLamb" <ku4os(AT)cfl.rr.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:13 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Cost of an HEO launch
> Hi Lee,
>
> Thanks for your input on SpaceX. Do you know if AMSAT has contacted any
> of the multi-manifest brokers working with SpaceX to try and flush out
> cost versus payload estimates on the multi-manifest payloads?
>
> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
> Lee McLamb wrote:
>> Yes, AMSAT has been closely watching the developments with SpaceX for
>> several
>> years. I've also spoken with several people from the company. Currently
>> they
>> do not have a launch vehicle capable of reaching GTO type orbits. That
>> will
>> change as they bring the Falcon-9 on line. I think the encouraging part
>> is
>> they are already accommodating secondary payloads on Falcon-1 missions.
>> What
>> types of capabilities the Falcon-9 will have are as yet unknown.
>>
>> My day job at the Eastern Range also happens to include working on the
>> Falcon
>> program as SpaceX converts and activates Complex 40 for Falcon-9
>> launches.
>>
>> 73,
>> Lee-KU4OS
>> AMSAT Exec. VP
>>
>> On Sunday 20 July 2008 15:45:32 Bill Ress wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> While SpaceX only works with primary single manifest customers, but if
>>> those customers can't use the entire payload, then they can work with
>>> third party multi-manifest "brokers" and we in turn could work with
>>> these multi-manifest "brokers" for a piece of the payload. For sure,
>>> lots of negotiating required when and if we find that a primary manifest
>>> customer doesn't need the whole payload.
>>>
>>> I really don't know if AMSAT management has any activity pursuing this
>>> avenue of launch, but if they don't, they should!!
>>>
>>> Regards,,,Bill - N6GHz (AMSAT Board Candidate)
>>>
>>> Dave hartzell wrote:
>>>
>>>> David-
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the SpaceX Falcon 1 or 1e could put a spacecraft into HEO or
>>>> lunar transfer orbit:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spacex.com/FalconLunarCapabilityGuide.pdf
>>>>
>>>> The stated cost for this is around $9m. Of course, they haven't
>>>> gotten a successful orbit yet from a F1....maybe the third time will
>>>> be the charm. Hitching a ride on a larger launch vehicle like the F9
>>>> is interesting, assuming there is capacity and the willingness to be a
>>>> guinea pig (and there WILL be a cost to anyone wanting a ride)...
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see what launch opportunities will be
>>>> available in the next few years (if any)...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> AF6KD
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, <G0MRF(AT)aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The anticipated 'going rate' for this new vehicle is shown at the
>>>>> bottom
>>>>> of the page.
>>>>>
>>>>> _http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php_
>>>>> (http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Test flight anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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