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Today's Topics:
1. Fwd: Information Request (Martha)
2. Re: way of satellite recovery? (Bob Bruninga )
3. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net)
4. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Ken Ernandes)
5. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Bill Ress)
7. Reminder of the AMSAT Mission (Andrew Glasbrenner)
8. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Ken Ernandes)
9. Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission (Tom Busch)
10. Kenwood HMC-3, SMC 34, BC-19 for sale (Bill Bruno)
11. Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission (Andrew Glasbrenner)
12. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Andrew Koenig)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:17:40 -0400
From: Martha <martha(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fwd: Information Request
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<956751cf0808120817n24e0c724v9e9519becd6abe06(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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Would someone help Shayne?
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From: AMSAT Website <www(AT)amsat.org>
Date: Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Subject: Information Request
To: martha(AT)amsat.org
This message originated from the AMSAT website
Sender: VK4HJS SHAYNE Email: vh5hjs(AT)bigpond.com
Host: CPE-60-229-61-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au
Subject: Information Request
Message:
I am having endless trouble attempting to get my computers (3) to recognise
my YAESU Computer Controller GS-232B.
After following all of the instructions from the manual included with the
GS-232B.
I have used 3 Windows operating systems, XP, ME and Win98
Would anybody be able to help as Yaesu hasn't been any help whatsoever,
saying that it works but neglect to tell me how they got it operational.
Thanking you for your speedy reply
JR Shayne
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Problems with this message? Email to w2gps(AT)amsat.org
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73- Martha
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:27:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bob Bruninga " <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: way of satellite recovery?
To: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg(AT)hotmail.com>, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080812122744.AGP26970(AT)mp3.nettest.usna.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Somebody can I'm sure post the costs of the Shuttle
> Missions that have recovered/repaired satellites.
I think, that the only externally deployed, autonomous Amateur Satellite ever
deployed and later recovered and returned to Earth was PCSAT2.
Since PCSAT2 was attached to the outside of the ISS and although it floated in
space (but held with a strong grip by an astronaut until affixed to a
handrail), AMSAT denied the request for an OSCAR number. But otherwise it was
completely atonomous payload.
We think it can be claimed as the only amateur satellite returned to earth.
Though of course, that can be argued for ever...
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:31:52 -0500
From: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080812113152.PKLX7.565368.root(AT)Web02>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above LEO
> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO. Being
> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time satellite
> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
> determined...
>
> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>
>
> > John:
> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
> > wrong
> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
> > significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the plan.
> >
> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell folks
> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
> >
> > - Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
> >
> >
> >> >
> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than the
> >>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging the
> >>> dog
> >>> don't you think?
> >>>
> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission. The
> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship with
> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems to
> >> me
> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step rather
> >> than the last step.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> John
> >> KD6OZH
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:58:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B.
Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Message-ID:
<25582341.1218560297600.JavaMail.root(AT)elwamui-
ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Overruled? Interesting...
What I've see in this discussion on the HEO issues appear to be more
speculative than based on fact or any official announcement from the AMSAT-NA
BOD. I personally would consider it premature to summarily declare the
discussion closed.
We could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
status. Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory statements
with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the HEO subject.
73, Ken Ernandes N2WWD
-----Original Message-----
>From: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net
>Sent: Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM
>To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-
NAPriorities
>
>NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>
>YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>
>---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above LEO
>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO. Being
>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time satellite
>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>> determined...
>>
>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>
>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>
>>
>> > John:
>> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>> > wrong
>> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>> > significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the plan.
>> >
>> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell folks
>> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>> >
>> > - Joe
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than the
>> >>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
the
>> >>> dog
>> >>> don't you think?
>> >>>
>> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission. The
>> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship with
>> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems to
>> >> me
>> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step rather
>> >> than the last step.
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >> KD6OZH
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:13:40 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, "John B.
Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Message-ID: <EB9936C81A214E0BB5AF201C6EDD6CB2(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
reply-type=original
If anyone wants to know why the majority of BOD members avoid the -bb like
the plague, replies like Joe's are why.
Dialog is always open, but sometimes facts get in the way. Do you know that
AMSAT-NA has spent more money on P3E than Eagle so far? The launch is the
prime problem we have to solve. AMSAT leadership is working very hard to
find a way to get to a high orbit. As I type this we have people talking to
various launch providers at the SmallSat conference about HEO, MEO, and GEO
launch opportunities. AMSAT leadership also spent this entire weekend
sequestered working on alternative strategies to accomplish our goals, and
to fix the problems we know we have. I also recently travelled to the Alaska
Hamfest (not on AMSAT's dime) to present our status to the attendees, and to
take their concerns and recommendations into account. If you have some
specific plan, idea, or want to volunteer to help make your desires come
true, then by all means let someone know directly. Member opinions are
important, and are taken seriously, and we need all the help we can get.
More information on these course corrections will be forthcoming soon.
Sooner if people quit throwing stones.
73, Drew KO4MA
PS.
Joe, I noticed your membership was last renewed in 2004. Perhaps you might
want to call Martha at 1800 322 6728 and renew if you want your opinions for
AMSAT's direction to be taken to heart. Successful change comes from within,
and the last time I got mad at AMSAT I signed up as a Life Member, and then
ran for the BOD the following year.
----- Original Message -----
From: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>; <amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org>;
"John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>
> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>
> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above
>> LEO
>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
>> Being
>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
>> satellite
>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>> determined...
>>
>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>
>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>
>>
>> > John:
>> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>> > wrong
>> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>> > significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the
>> > plan.
>> >
>> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
>> > folks
>> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>> >
>> > - Joe
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than
>> >>> the
>> >>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
>> >>> the
>> >>> dog
>> >>> don't you think?
>> >>>
>> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
>> >> The
>> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship
>> >> with
>> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems
>> >> to
>> >> me
>> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
>> >> rather
>> >> than the last step.
>> >>
>> >> 73,
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >> KD6OZH
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
>> > author.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:23:06 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48A1C6FA.40001(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Ken,
Possibly, one of the most appropriate post regarding this matter.
As a result of last weekend's BOD and Senior Officer special meeting,
I'm confident you'll soon be getting the "AMSAT strategy update" from them.
So please hold off on your comments until you have the most recent facts
regarding AMSAT-NA's planned direction.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Ken Ernandes wrote:
> Overruled? Interesting...
>
> What I've see in this discussion on the HEO issues appear to be more
speculative than based on fact or any official announcement from the AMSAT-NA
BOD. I personally would consider it premature to summarily declare the
discussion closed.
>
> We could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
status. Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory statements
with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the HEO subject.
>
> 73, Ken Ernandes N2WWD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net
>> Sent: Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-
NAPriorities
>>
>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>>
>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>>
>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above
LEO
>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
Being
>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time satellite
>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>>> determined...
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> John:
>>>> That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>>>> wrong
>>>> with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>>>> The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>>>> significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the plan.
>>>>
>>>> At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell folks
>>>> that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>>>> anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>>>>
>>>> - Joe
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>>>> To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>>>>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than the
>>>>>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
the
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> don't you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission. The
>>>>> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship with
>>>>> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems to
>>>>> me
>>>>> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step rather
>>>>> than the last step.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> KD6OZH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:25:16 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Just as a reminder....Drew
AMSAT is a non-profit volunteer organization which designs, builds and
operates experimental satellites and promotes space education. We work in
partnership with government, industry, educational institutions and fellow
amateur radio societies. We encourage technical and scientific innovation,
and promote the training and development of skilled satellite and ground
system designers and operators.
Our Vision is to deploy high earth orbit satellite systems that offer daily
coverage by 2009 and continuous coverage by 2012. AMSAT will continue active
participation in human space missions and support a stream of LEO satellites
developed in cooperation with the educational community and other amateur
satellite groups.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:50:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<22490638.1218563427725.JavaMail.root(AT)elwamui-
darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
What exactly is the most appropriate post regarding this matter? A complete
sentence might have helped to make your point clear.
BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something, it's highly
inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an official announcement.
I am therefore, not sure why you would suggest I keep quiet when I am merely
asking that people wait until we have a clear announcement before effectively
(and rudely) telling others the shut up.
73, Ken N2WWD
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
>Sent: Aug 12, 2008 1:23 PM
>To: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
>Cc: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-
NAPriorities
>
>Ken,
>
>Possibly, one of the most appropriate post regarding this matter.
>
>As a result of last weekend's BOD and Senior Officer special meeting,
>I'm confident you'll soon be getting the "AMSAT strategy update" from them.
>
>So please hold off on your comments until you have the most recent facts
>regarding AMSAT-NA's planned direction.
>
>Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>
>Ken Ernandes wrote:
>> Overruled? Interesting...
>>
>> What I've see in this discussion on the HEO issues appear to be more
speculative than based on fact or any official announcement from the AMSAT-NA
BOD. I personally would consider it premature to summarily declare the
discussion closed.
>>
>> We could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
status. Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory statements
with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the HEO subject.
>>
>> 73, Ken Ernandes N2WWD
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net
>>> Sent: Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM
>>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>, amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-
NAPriorities
>>>
>>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>>>
>>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>>>
>>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above
LEO
>>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
Being
>>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
satellite
>>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>>>> determined...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John:
>>>>> That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>>>>> wrong
>>>>> with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>>>>> The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>>>>> significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the
plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
folks
>>>>> that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>>>>> anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>>>>>
>>>>> - Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>>>>>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than the
>>>>>>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> don't you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
The
>>>>>> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship with
>>>>>> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems to
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
rather
>>>>>> than the last step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> KD6OZH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:03:09 -0400
From: Tom Busch <tom(AT)bloomington.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48A1D05D.1010708(AT)bloomington.com>
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Nowhere in there is mention of emergency communication. Yet it pops up
again and again on the Eagle and Namaste boards.
AMSAT should stick to its mission.
TomB
Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> Just as a reminder....Drew
>
> AMSAT is a non-profit volunteer organization which designs, builds and
> operates experimental satellites and promotes space education. We work in
> partnership with government, industry, educational institutions and fellow
> amateur radio societies. We encourage technical and scientific innovation,
> and promote the training and development of skilled satellite and ground
> system designers and operators.
>
> Our Vision is to deploy high earth orbit satellite systems that offer daily
> coverage by 2009 and continuous coverage by 2012. AMSAT will continue active
> participation in human space missions and support a stream of LEO satellites
> developed in cooperation with the educational community and other amateur
> satellite groups.
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:16:30 -0400
From: "Bill Bruno" <billbruno(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Kenwood HMC-3, SMC 34, BC-19 for sale
To: "Amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:18:07 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
To: "Tom Busch" <tom(AT)bloomington.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Emergency communications would be part of the "We work in partnership with
government, industry, educational institutions and fellow amateur radio
societies." statement. The hope is that it would provide additional funding
for building and launching a satellite to some orbit that is above a LEO,
since we cannot do it alone. Furthermore, emergency communications is the
first thing mentioned in Part 97.1, describing the basis and purpose of the
entire amateur radio service, of which the amateur satellite service is a
part. It is a primary reason the government provides an amateur service, and
might be a good thing to support if you are looking for possible government
support.
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/
?97.1 Basis and purpose.
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following
principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with
respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute
to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which
provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases
of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Busch" <tom(AT)bloomington.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
> Nowhere in there is mention of emergency communication. Yet it pops up
> again and again on the Eagle and Namaste boards.
>
> AMSAT should stick to its mission.
>
> TomB
>
> Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>> Just as a reminder....Drew
>>
>> AMSAT is a non-profit volunteer organization which designs, builds and
>> operates experimental satellites and promotes space education. We work in
>> partnership with government, industry, educational institutions and
>> fellow
>> amateur radio societies. We encourage technical and scientific
>> innovation,
>> and promote the training and development of skilled satellite and ground
>> system designers and operators.
>>
>> Our Vision is to deploy high earth orbit satellite systems that offer
>> daily
>> coverage by 2009 and continuous coverage by 2012. AMSAT will continue
>> active
>> participation in human space missions and support a stream of LEO
>> satellites
>> developed in cooperation with the educational community and other amateur
>> satellite groups.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:26:00 -0500
From: "Andrew Koenig" <andrewkoenig(AT)thathamkid.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: "Ken Ernandes" <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<2f52b89b0808121126g54e85df3o2a46c478db322bd5(AT)mail.gmail.com>
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So is this really what adults do with their free time? Argue about satellite
orbits and the direction of AMSAT?
I agree with Drew's ideas on making change happen. Instead of arguing about
it, run for a BoD position and make the change happen.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
wrote:
> What exactly is the most appropriate post regarding this matter? A
> complete sentence might have helped to make your point clear.
>
> BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something, it's highly
> inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an official announcement.
>
> I am therefore, not sure why you would suggest I keep quiet when I am
> merely asking that people wait until we have a clear announcement before
> effectively (and rudely) telling others the shut up.
>
> 73, Ken N2WWD
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
> >Sent: Aug 12, 2008 1:23 PM
> >To: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
> >Cc: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
> amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> >Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >
> >Ken,
> >
> >Possibly, one of the most appropriate post regarding this matter.
> >
> >As a result of last weekend's BOD and Senior Officer special meeting,
> >I'm confident you'll soon be getting the "AMSAT strategy update" from
> them.
> >
> >So please hold off on your comments until you have the most recent facts
> >regarding AMSAT-NA's planned direction.
> >
> >Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> >
> >Ken Ernandes wrote:
> >> Overruled? Interesting...
> >>
> >> What I've see in this discussion on the HEO issues appear to be more
> speculative than based on fact or any official announcement from the
> AMSAT-NA BOD. I personally would consider it premature to summarily declare
> the discussion closed.
> >>
> >> We could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
> status. Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory statements
> with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the HEO subject.
> >>
> >> 73, Ken Ernandes N2WWD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>> From: k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net
> >>> Sent: Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM
> >>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
> amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >>>
> >>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
> >>>
> >>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
> >>>
> >>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us
> above LEO
> >>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
> Being
> >>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We
> are
> >>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying
> about
> >>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
> satellite
> >>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
> >>>> determined...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
> >>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
> >>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-
bb(AT)amsat.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
> >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> >>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> John:
> >>>>> That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
> >>>>> wrong
> >>>>> with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
> >>>>> The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
> >>>>> significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the
> plan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
> folks
> >>>>> that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
> >>>>> anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Joe
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
> >>>>>>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than
> the
> >>>>>>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail
> wagging the
> >>>>>>> dog
> >>>>>>> don't you think?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
> The
> >>>>>> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship
> with
> >>>>>> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems
> to
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
> rather
> >>>>>> than the last step.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>> KD6OZH
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
> author.
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> program!
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> >>>>>
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> author.
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> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> author.
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> >>
> >>
>
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--
73's
Andrew K.
KE5GDB
http://www.thathamkid.com
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