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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Joe Westbrook)
2. Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission (Joe Westbrook)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:49:41 -0000
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, "John B. Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
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Andrew:
I appreciate your concern. As soon as the BoD gets there act together on a
strategy that ensures HEO as originally, planned/communicated to the members
back in 2004 then I will jump back in the pool. In the mean time AMSAT-DL
gets my money :-)
- Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
To: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>; "John B. Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
> If anyone wants to know why the majority of BOD members avoid the -bb like
> the plague, replies like Joe's are why.
>
> Dialog is always open, but sometimes facts get in the way. Do you know
> that AMSAT-NA has spent more money on P3E than Eagle so far? The launch is
> the prime problem we have to solve. AMSAT leadership is working very hard
> to find a way to get to a high orbit. As I type this we have people
> talking to various launch providers at the SmallSat conference about HEO,
> MEO, and GEO launch opportunities. AMSAT leadership also spent this entire
> weekend sequestered working on alternative strategies to accomplish our
> goals, and to fix the problems we know we have. I also recently travelled
> to the Alaska Hamfest (not on AMSAT's dime) to present our status to the
> attendees, and to take their concerns and recommendations into account. If
> you have some specific plan, idea, or want to volunteer to help make your
> desires come true, then by all means let someone know directly. Member
> opinions are important, and are taken seriously, and we need all the help
> we can get.
>
> More information on these course corrections will be forthcoming soon.
> Sooner if people quit throwing stones.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> PS.
> Joe, I noticed your membership was last renewed in 2004. Perhaps you might
> want to call Martha at 1800 322 6728 and renew if you want your opinions
> for AMSAT's direction to be taken to heart. Successful change comes from
> within, and the last time I got mad at AMSAT I signed up as a Life Member,
> and then ran for the BOD the following year.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
> To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>;
> <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>; "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>
>
>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>>
>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>>
>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above
>>> LEO
>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
>>> Being
>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
>>> satellite
>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>>> determined...
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>>
>>>
>>> > John:
>>> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>>> > wrong
>>> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>>> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>>> > significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the
>>> > plan.
>>> >
>>> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
>>> > folks
>>> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>>> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>>> >
>>> > - Joe
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>>> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> dog
>>> >>> don't you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
>>> >> The
>>> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship
>>> >> with
>>> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems
>>> >> to
>>> >> me
>>> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
>>> >> rather
>>> >> than the last step.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73,
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >> KD6OZH
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>> > author.
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>>> > program!
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>>>
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:52:06 -0000
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
To: "Tom Busch" <tom(AT)bloomington.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <004101c8fcac$84957160$0602a8c0(AT)RadioRoom>
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That's all that I'm asking for.
- Joe, K7ZT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Busch" <tom(AT)bloomington.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
> Nowhere in there is mention of emergency communication. Yet it pops up
> again and again on the Eagle and Namaste boards.
>
> AMSAT should stick to its mission.
>
> TomB
>
> Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>> Just as a reminder....Drew
>>
>> AMSAT is a non-profit volunteer organization which designs, builds and
>> operates experimental satellites and promotes space education. We work in
>> partnership with government, industry, educational institutions and
>> fellow
>> amateur radio societies. We encourage technical and scientific
>> innovation,
>> and promote the training and development of skilled satellite and ground
>> system designers and operators.
>>
>> Our Vision is to deploy high earth orbit satellite systems that offer
>> daily
>> coverage by 2009 and continuous coverage by 2012. AMSAT will continue
>> active
>> participation in human space missions and support a stream of LEO
>> satellites
>> developed in cooperation with the educational community and other amateur
>> satellite groups.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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