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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Joe Westbrook)
2. SSB Preamp (Peter)
3. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Bill Ress)
4. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
5. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net)
6. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NAPriorities
(Timothy J. Salo)
7. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. andAMSAT-NAPriorities
(Andrew Glasbrenner)
8. Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
(John B. Stephensen)
9. Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission (Michael Tondee)
10. FS: KEPS 2.4GHz downconverter, 23cm antennas + more
(Stefan Wagener)
11. Board Candidate Responds (Bill Ress)
12. AMSAT Board Meetings (Gould Smith)
13. Re: DO-64 observation (James Duffey)
14. AMSAT Journal (David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:02:24 -0000
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
<amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, "John B. Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c8fcad$f52084f0$0602a8c0(AT)RadioRoom>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
reply-type=response
Andrew:
I didn't send out the flamer email, until you accused me of being "fussy".
That tends to communicate to folks that you are closed any further dialog.
Up to that point, I wasn't being rude.
- Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
To: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>; "John B.
Stephensen"
<kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
> If anyone wants to know why the majority of BOD members avoid the -bb like
> the plague, replies like Joe's are why.
>
> Dialog is always open, but sometimes facts get in the way. Do you know
> that AMSAT-NA has spent more money on P3E than Eagle so far? The launch is
> the prime problem we have to solve. AMSAT leadership is working very hard
> to find a way to get to a high orbit. As I type this we have people
> talking to various launch providers at the SmallSat conference about HEO,
> MEO, and GEO launch opportunities. AMSAT leadership also spent this entire
> weekend sequestered working on alternative strategies to accomplish our
> goals, and to fix the problems we know we have. I also recently travelled
> to the Alaska Hamfest (not on AMSAT's dime) to present our status to the
> attendees, and to take their concerns and recommendations into account. If
> you have some specific plan, idea, or want to volunteer to help make your
> desires come true, then by all means let someone know directly. Member
> opinions are important, and are taken seriously, and we need all the help
> we can get.
>
> More information on these course corrections will be forthcoming soon.
> Sooner if people quit throwing stones.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> PS.
> Joe, I noticed your membership was last renewed in 2004. Perhaps you might
> want to call Martha at 1800 322 6728 and renew if you want your opinions
> for AMSAT's direction to be taken to heart. Successful change comes from
> within, and the last time I got mad at AMSAT I signed up as a Life Member,
> and then ran for the BOD the following year.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
> To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>;
> <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>; "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>
>
>> NOTICE to ALL HEO proponents:
>>
>> YOU HAVE BEEN OVERRULED, dialog is finished, so stop it.
>>
>> ---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> At this point AMSAT is going to take the first thing that gets us above
>>> LEO
>>> that we can afford. If that is HEO, so be it. If it is GEO, it's GEO.
>>> Being
>>> divided and fussy over the details only detracts from the effort. We are
>>> basically beggars in the launch market, and we all know the saying about
>>> beggars and choosers. The mission is to provide long access time
>>> satellite
>>> comms on a daily, then 24/7 basis. How that happens is yet to be
>>> determined...
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so brief but I have a lot going on with my day job at the
>>> moment. There will be more information forthcoming.
>>>
>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
>>> To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
>>> AMSAT-NAPriorities
>>>
>>>
>>> > John:
>>> > That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
>>> > wrong
>>> > with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
>>> > The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
>>> > significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the
>>> > plan.
>>> >
>>> > At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell
>>> > folks
>>> > that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
>>> > anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>>> >
>>> > - Joe
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
>>> > To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>> >>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> dog
>>> >>> don't you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission.
>>> >> The
>>> >> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship
>>> >> with
>>> >> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems
>>> >> to
>>> >> me
>>> >> that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
>>> >> rather
>>> >> than the last step.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73,
>>> >>
>>> >> John
>>> >> KD6OZH
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
>>> > author.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> > program!
>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:10:45 -0400
From: Peter <roi(AT)optonline.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SSB Preamp
To: AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <006a01c8fcaf$826fcae0$6701a8c0(AT)peter>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
Hi,
I appreciate all the help and ideas on my SSB 7000 not working with my
Icom
910H. I followed the advice and all I can report is that the relay
engages
however the preamp is not doing anything with received signals. This
condition sounds impossible the weak signal should increase if working or
disappear if not and it stays static? So I shipped it off to SSB for
evaluation, thank you again, now let's work some birds!
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:38:31 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: Ken Ernandes <n2wwd(AT)mindspring.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48A1E6B7.8080805(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Ken Ernandes wrote:
> What exactly is the most appropriate post regarding this matter? A complete
sentence might have helped to make your point clear.
>
Just trying to add adding a second to your "appropriate" comments " We
could, perhaps put it on hold until the AMSAT-NA BOD provides current
status. Perhaps it would be better to refrain from inflammatory
statements with "absolutes" before we have an official statement on the
HEO subject."
> BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something, it's highly
inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an official announcement.
I don't see anyone disclosing any insider information.
>
>
> I am therefore, not sure why you would suggest I keep quiet when I am merely
asking that people wait until we have a clear announcement before
effectively
(and rudely) telling others the shut up.
>
Again I was attempting to second your own opinion, that people wait
until facts are known and would not suggest that you keep quiet.
> 73, Ken N2WWD
>
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:49:30 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <DC7D0AB6FBA4469A932D68D044D93F74(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
reply-type=response
I think complaining about the direction of an organization you haven't
been
a member of in 4 years is pretty fussy. I apologize if that offends you,
but
that's the way I see it. I take direction and advice as a BOD member from
the membership, consider the information available, and help guide the
organization the best I can. It's a representative democracy.
We have all got to realize that merely wanting something, like a cheap HEO
launch, is not enough to make it happen. That being said, we are exploring
all avenues leading to the goal of daily, and then continuous coverage, as
outlined in the Mission. Life is about compromise, and shades of color,
and
these deviations from the original HEO Eagle concept set out about the
time
you left AMSAT-NA are merely the leadership trying the best they can to
make
something good, and something real, happen before the organization
evaporates.
73, Drew KO4MA
PS Let me extend an olive branch to you. If you will rejoin -NA by calling
Martha today or tomorrow, I will donate the amount of a renewal to
AMSAT-NA
earmarked for P3E. Deal?
> Andrew:
> I didn't send out the flamer email, until you accused me of being "fussy".
> That tends to communicate to folks that you are closed any further dialog.
> Up to that point, I wasn't being rude.
>
> - Joe
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:56:34 -0500
From: <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>,
amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080812145634.7SQ39.91844.root(AT)Web01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Please allow me to apologise to the Board if my lame attempt at sarcism
was
missunderstood. I don't want anyone to think that I was telling them to
"Shut
UP".
Additionally, I woulld like to take you up on your generous invitation,
however, I will call Martha and renew on my nickel.
Regards,
- Joe
---- Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
> I think complaining about the direction of an organization you haven't been
> a member of in 4 years is pretty fussy. I apologize if that offends you, but
> that's the way I see it. I take direction and advice as a BOD member from
> the membership, consider the information available, and help guide the
> organization the best I can. It's a representative democracy.
>
> We have all got to realize that merely wanting something, like a cheap HEO
> launch, is not enough to make it happen. That being said, we are exploring
> all avenues leading to the goal of daily, and then continuous coverage, as
> outlined in the Mission. Life is about compromise, and shades of color, and
> these deviations from the original HEO Eagle concept set out about the time
> you left AMSAT-NA are merely the leadership trying the best they can to make
> something good, and something real, happen before the organization
> evaporates.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> PS Let me extend an olive branch to you. If you will rejoin -NA by calling
> Martha today or tomorrow, I will donate the amount of a renewal to AMSAT-NA
> earmarked for P3E. Deal?
>
> > Andrew:
> > I didn't send out the flamer email, until you accused me of being "fussy".
> > That tends to communicate to folks that you are closed any further dialog.
> > Up to that point, I wasn't being rude.
> >
> > - Joe
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:47:01 -0500
From: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo(AT)saloits.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and
AMSAT-NAPriorities
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48A1F6C5.7050207(AT)saloits.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Ken Ernandes wrote:
> ... BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something,
> it's highly inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an
> official announcement. ...
This is, in my opinion, an area in which AMSAT has serious
problems.
As I recall, the chair of the AMSAT Board meeting
traditionally admonishes participants and observers that
they should not talk about what transpires at the meeting
until the official minutes are available. (Does this still
happen? I haven't observed an AMSAT Board meeting for a few
years.) These minutes are then typically not published (in
a fairly restricted venue, namely in the [paper] AMSAT
Journal, not online) until _over a year later_! In my view,
this reflects a board that wants to operate without the
knowledge, much less advise and feedback, of the membership.
Never mind that this is very poor governance -- it is a
recipe for mischief on the part of the Board.
Yes, even not-for-profit organizations like AMSAT need to
restrict the flow of certain types of information. And,
this is what the closed portion of the Board meetings are
for. But, I believe that the current approach of restricting
the flow of information to which the members ought to have
[nearly immediate] access is inappropriate and facilitates
abuse.
I had been meaning sent e-mail to the list asking the
current Board candidates whether this issue concerns them.
Thanks for reminding me...
-tjs
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:05:49 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO.
andAMSAT-NAPriorities
To: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo(AT)saloits.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <3829D031608843E39541C11078923AA8(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I think you'll be quite surprised by the transparency of the meeting we
just
had, although it was not an official BOD meeting and no votes were taken.
The notes are being typed up for publication as we speak.
73, Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo(AT)saloits.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:47 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO.
andAMSAT-NAPriorities
> Ken Ernandes wrote:
>> ... BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something,
>> it's highly inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an
>> official announcement. ...
>
> This is, in my opinion, an area in which AMSAT has serious
> problems.
>
> As I recall, the chair of the AMSAT Board meeting
> traditionally admonishes participants and observers that
> they should not talk about what transpires at the meeting
> until the official minutes are available. (Does this still
> happen? I haven't observed an AMSAT Board meeting for a few
> years.) These minutes are then typically not published (in
> a fairly restricted venue, namely in the [paper] AMSAT
> Journal, not online) until _over a year later_! In my view,
> this reflects a board that wants to operate without the
> knowledge, much less advise and feedback, of the membership.
> Never mind that this is very poor governance -- it is a
> recipe for mischief on the part of the Board.
>
> Yes, even not-for-profit organizations like AMSAT need to
> restrict the flow of certain types of information. And,
> this is what the closed portion of the Board meetings are
> for. But, I believe that the current approach of restricting
> the flow of information to which the members ought to have
> [nearly immediate] access is inappropriate and facilitates
> abuse.
>
> I had been meaning sent e-mail to the list asking the
> current Board candidates whether this issue concerns them.
> Thanks for reminding me...
>
> -tjs
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:06:15 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA
Priorities
To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <00a901c8fcbf$423e4770$0201a8c0(AT)your6bvpxyztoq>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
I don't think that they have been dishonest. Either a HEO or GEO would
meet
the stated goals for Eagle and they announced that they are talking to
Intelsat months ago. If a contract with Intelsat is signed it isn't
killing
a HEO -- it's providing a GEO instead of nothing.
If you're thinking that Eagle in a geosynchronous orbit somehow kills P3E
in
a Molniya orbit, I don't see how. Two programs aimed at different launch
agencies and different outside contributors only increases the changes for
something more than LEO satellites in the future.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:44 UTC
Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
> John:
> That certainly is one approach, I'm not saying that there is anything
> wrong with that, it's just a change in the stated goals of Eagle.
> The leadership needs to get in front of this and announce this is a
> significant shift in organizational strategy if indeed that is the plan.
>
> At they same time for the sake of honesty they should probably tell folks
> that this will end AMSAT-NA sponsorship of an HEO (Molmiya Orbit)
> anytime soon or even in their lifetime ;-/
>
> - Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh(AT)comcast.net>
> To: "Joe Westbrook" <k7zt(AT)suddenlink.net>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:05 AM
> Subject: Re: AMSAT UK P3E Lecture HEO vs GEO. and AMSAT-NA Priorities
>
>
>> >
>>> It appears that leadership is allowing realities of
>>> a rare, expensive launch opportunity drive the mission rather than the
>>> mission driving the launch method, it's a bit like the tail wagging the
>>> dog
>>> don't you think?
>>>
>> AO-40 was the case of a rare launch opportunity driving the mission. The
>> AMSAT BoD has stated that the purpose of creating a relelationship with
>> Intelsat would be to provide multiple launch opportunities. It seems to
>> me that finding an affordable launch method should be the first step
>> rather than the last step.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> John
>> KD6OZH
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:45:20 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <01b201c8fcc4$b8fdf5e0$6500a8c0(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Geez! When are you guys going to get the point. There appears to be
absolutely no way to get a launch without the help of outside funding. Do
you really think that someone is going to help fund a launch just so you
can
use the satellite for the sole purpose of yakking about whatever strikes
your fancy at the moment? There is going to have to be some other
tangible,
useful reason for the satellite to be in orbit. Anyway, the fact is that
emergency communications is a corner stone of the Amateur service in the
first place.
The only real problem I have with the mission and vision statements is
that
the vision statement now appears to have a somewhat unrealistic time
frame.
I'm sure we should get some answers about that soon.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Busch" <tom(AT)bloomington.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Reminder of the AMSAT Mission
> Nowhere in there is mention of emergency communication. Yet it pops up
> again and again on the Eagle and Namaste boards.
>
> AMSAT should stick to its mission.
>
> TomB
>
> Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>> Just as a reminder....Drew
>>
>> AMSAT is a non-profit volunteer organization which designs, builds and
>> operates experimental satellites and promotes space education. We work in
>> partnership with government, industry, educational institutions and
>> fellow
>> amateur radio societies. We encourage technical and scientific
>> innovation,
>> and promote the training and development of skilled satellite and ground
>> system designers and operators.
>>
>> Our Vision is to deploy high earth orbit satellite systems that offer
>> daily
>> coverage by 2009 and continuous coverage by 2012. AMSAT will continue
>> active
>> participation in human space missions and support a stream of LEO
>> satellites
>> developed in cooperation with the educational community and other amateur
>> satellite groups.
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:26:29 -0500
From: "Stefan Wagener" <stefan_wagener(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS: KEPS 2.4GHz downconverter, 23cm antennas +
more
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BAY130-DAV1210AB43D8717D41995CCFF6700(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi folks,
No, I am not getting involved in the current discussion about HEOs, LEOs
and
GEOs. But in case anyone is interested, I have a brand new, KEPS 13LNC2-PH
downconverter for sale. This is the outdoor professional 2.4GHz Low Noise
P-HEMT downconverter with a 144MHz IF. Never used or mounted!
See the KEPS website for detailed information:
http://www.keps.it/en/sat_products/downconverter/downconverter.html
Will sell for $150 shipped (US or Canada).
.............
I also have two M2 23cm yagis (see:
http://www.m2inc.com/products/uhf/23cm/23cm22ez.html ) for sale. They come
with one 23cm 2-way power splitter and 2 phasing cables. This will give
you
right or left hand circular polarisation for the satellites.
Will sell both antennas with power splitter and cables for $230 plus
shipping. They are in like new conditions.
..............
I also have still the Yaesu G5500 and a Yaesu G5400 rotor with control box
etc. for sale.
.............
Please contact me off list for questions. Yes, many folks have asked. I am
getting out of amateur radio. It was a great hobby and maybe in the future
I
will look into it again. To all my friends and fellow hams. Thanks for a
great time! Please keep supporting AMSAT, help and volunteer.
73, Stefan VE4NSA
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:28:06 -0700
From: Bill Ress <bill(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Board Candidate Responds
To: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo(AT)saloits.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48A20E76.2080002(AT)hsmicrowave.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Timothy,
Being a current AMSAT Board candidate, I'll respond to your last
paragraph.
My candidate statement sent, out with the ballot, and the statements
I've posted on this .bb before and since, clearly state my
disappointment with AMSAT management "communication" and my desire, if
elected, to help identify and participate in solutions.
Let me tell you now that our AMSAT management recognizes their
deficiencies in this area of communication (and not just in
communications).
How do I know? Being a Board candidate, was invited to and did attend
the recently concluded weekend AMSAT Senior Officer and BOD meeting in
Baltimore. It was what I would call, a "soul searching - gut wrenching"
assessment of current AMSAT conditions and to seek improvements and
solutions. Just on the subject of "communications" there was a clear
recognition that communications has been a problem and specific action
items were suggested to make serious improvements.
One of those actions items was to report the meeting details as soon as
the usual process of summarizing the meeting notes, and review by
attendees is completed. I expect the first place it will show up is on
the AMSAT web site, followed by the AMSAT Journal and discussions at the
October Atlanta AMSAT Symposium.
It was a very full two day session and many serious topics were
discussed. Putting it all into a cohesive statement without forgetting
any details will take a little time. Please give everyone the time to
get it accurate.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Timothy J. Salo wrote:
> Ken Ernandes wrote:
>
>> ... BTW even if somebody has "insider" information on something,
>> it's highly inappropriate to disclose that in advance of an
>> official announcement. ...
>>
>
> This is, in my opinion, an area in which AMSAT has serious
> problems.
>
> As I recall, the chair of the AMSAT Board meeting
> traditionally admonishes participants and observers that
> they should not talk about what transpires at the meeting
> until the official minutes are available. (Does this still
> happen? I haven't observed an AMSAT Board meeting for a few
> years.) These minutes are then typically not published (in
> a fairly restricted venue, namely in the [paper] AMSAT
> Journal, not online) until _over a year later_! In my view,
> this reflects a board that wants to operate without the
> knowledge, much less advise and feedback, of the membership.
> Never mind that this is very poor governance -- it is a
> recipe for mischief on the part of the Board.
>
> Yes, even not-for-profit organizations like AMSAT need to
> restrict the flow of certain types of information. And,
> this is what the closed portion of the Board meetings are
> for. But, I believe that the current approach of restricting
> the flow of information to which the members ought to have
> [nearly immediate] access is inappropriate and facilitates
> abuse.
>
> I had been meaning sent e-mail to the list asking the
> current Board candidates whether this issue concerns them.
> Thanks for reminding me...
>
> -tjs
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:45:54 -0400
From: "Gould Smith" <gouldsmi(AT)bellsouth.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board Meetings
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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Just as a reminder to all.
The AMSAT Board meetings at the Symposium are an open meeting, other than
a
short segment that is a performance review.
You can attend and listen to the entire meeting. There is no attempt to
hide
the information discussed.
This year's meeting in Atlanta will begin Thursday morning 23 Oct and go
into
the evening (and sometimes after dinner), then resume Friday morning 24
Oct
and go until around noon. The Board would welcome your interest.
The notes from the meeting as well as notes from teleconferences are
published
in the AMSAT Journal. Barry, WD4ASW (AMSAT Corporate Secretary) has made
it a
priority to get the mintues published and has provided them to most issues
of
the Journal since his appointment. The minutes from the 2007 meeting will
be
in the next AMSAT Journal. While this is not as timely a publishing as
many
would like, it is one of many, many things Barry is volunteering to do for
AMSAT.
We have many things we can use help with. This was discussed at the
executive
meeting last weekend. We are looking into developing a more efficient
system
to match assets to projects and needs.
I invite members to attend the AMSAT Board meetings in Oct and to become
more
involved with AMSAT. Become part of the solution, rather than talk about
the
problems.
73,
Gould, WA4SXM
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:17 -0600
From: James Duffey <JamesDuffey(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DO-64 observation
To: Rick Mann <rmann(AT)latencyzero.com>
Cc: amsat Org <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, wouter weggelaar
<wouterweg(AT)gmail.com>
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Rick - I think that they use a permanent magnet aligned with the long
axis of the satellite. When it goes over the magnetic poles, the
permanent magnet (an the satellite) flip to follow the magnetic field
lines. Say the North end of the magnetic is the leading end of the
satellite as it ascends from equator to the pole. WHen it goes over
the pole, the north end of the satellite becomes the trailing edge as
the satellite descends form the pole to the equator. Slick. - Duffey
On Aug 11, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Rick Mann wrote:
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 06:12:56, wouter weggelaar wrote:
>
>> As Delfi-C3 goes over the earths poles, it flips itself 180 degrees
>> in
>> Z axis (perpendicular to earth). Otherwise one side will be always
>
>
> Are you saying it has an active attitude control that it uses to
> change orientation right as it crosses the poles? Or is the satellite
> rotating with a period equal to that of its orbit?
>
> TIA,
> --
> Rick
>
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James Duffey
Cedar Crest NM
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:49:02 -0400
From: David - KG4ZLB/M?ZLB <m0zlb(AT)btinternet.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Martha tells me that the Journal was mailed out last week - has anyone
else not received it or am I being an optimist in expecting it by now
down here in SW FL?
Thanks in advance
David
KG4ZLB
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