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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Double leo satellites (Robert Bruninga)
2. FW: AMRAD Van Re-listed (Robert Bruninga)
3. Question about Circulair Polarisation (pe0sat)
4. Re: G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no subject) (i8cvs)
5. Annual Report Discussion (joe cassano aka jmario)
6. Re: FW: AMRAD Van Re-listed (Jim Jerzycke)
7. Re: Annual Report Discussion (Arthur Feller)
8. Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply (Gunther Meisse)
9. Re: DO-64 (Sebastian)
10. Re: G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no subject) (Sammy Jenkis)
11. Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply (Greg Dober)
12. Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply (Tim Tapio)
13. ANS-259 ANS Special Bulletin - AMSAT BoD Election Results
(JoAnne Maenpaa)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:25:03 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Double leo satellites
To: "'Bob Bruninga '" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>, " 'H?kan Harrysson' "
<sm7wsj(AT)telia.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <732A3C34170549E2B335691E821347E0(AT)ewlab.usna.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Here is the link to our new Psat (dual APRS satellite
designs)...
www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/psat.html
Bob, WB4APR
> -----Original Message-----
> > Should it be possible to launch two Leo
> > satellites...(satellite A) retransmitts
> > what it hears to the other Leo satellite
> > (Satellite B)... I think in that way i
> > could work NA every day?
>
> That is the intent of the APRS constellation
> of satellites. All operating packet on 145.825.
> We want to get as many of these satellties in
> orbit as we can to not only provide continuity
> of coveratge, but also dual-hop capabilities as
> you suggest.
>
> APRS can inherently, auomatically, work via
> dual hops, since it uses a generic path which
> does not need to be configured for each
> satellite callsign.
>
> That is also why the ISS moved to 145.825
> a year or so ago, to be on the same channel,
> with PCSAT-1,PCSAT2,ANDE, RAFT, and others.
> There have been several instances of dual hop
> packets. The longest one recorded was from
> Africa over the Atlantic to Maryland. See:
> www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/pec/pc2ops.html
>
> Unfortunately, only ISS and PCSAT-1 remain
> in orbit and PCSAT-1 only works under some
> conditions, and ISS only works under others.
> But if you can find them both working at the
> same time, then dual hops are possible.
>
> You can watch the downlinks from these two
> birds and look for activity and dual hops
> just by looking through the on-line real-time
> downlink logs:
>
> www.ariss.net for the ISS
> http://pcsat.aprs.org for the others
>
> You can see that ISS has been off the air
> for 79 days except for a brief period 2
> weeks ago. And PCSAT-1 (W3ADO-1) continues
> to limp along with some lucky packets during
> northern hemisphere mid-day passes.
>
> Ideally, if we can get 6 to 10 small APRS
> satellites on 145.825, we can provide near
> continuous message/email/status capabiliy
> from anywhere on Earth at any time. That
> is why I encourage all Universities making
> CUBESATS or other small satellites to
> include a 145.825 1200 baud packet link so
> their satellites can be used in this
> constellation after their primary mission is over..
>
> Our next Satellite from the Naval Academy
> will actually be two-cubesats-at-once.
> Both on 145.825 with APRS transponders.
>
> Please, if anyone is working with other
> universities, see if they would consider
> this global constellation mission for
> their transponder...
>
> Bob, Wb4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:39:16 -0400
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: AMRAD Van Re-listed
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <0FA6173DE16D42FB864CF47EE489387F(AT)ewlab.usna.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
This comms van (satellite truck) needs to stay in Ham radio.
It is 4 wheel drive I think and has the 35 foot pneumatic mast,
etc..
-----Original Message-----
Subject: AMRAD Van Re-listed
I have re-listed the van on eBay. We got lots of lookers on the
last listing but no bids. This time the starting bit is $1. I
hope we will see some spirited bidding this time. You can see
it at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267405928
Let anyone that might be interested know about it.
Frank K0BRA
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:47:57 +0200 (CEST)
From: "pe0sat" <pe0sat(AT)vgnet.nl>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Question about Circulair Polarisation
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<000c97676f9b7f40150d711ab7a78c88.squirrel(AT)webmail.vgnet.nl>
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Hello,
Can I achive circular polarization the following way?
>From each dipole a length off aircell-7 to a dual power splitter with one
length being a quarter wave length longer than the other?
Dipool 50ohm ------------ | |
splitter --------------- transceiver 50ohm
Dipool 50ohm --------------- | |
I made one lenght longer following this calculation:
lambda/4 * V that gave a lenght of 0.690/4 x 0.83 = 0.143m
for Aircell-7 coax cable.
Now switching the coax between the dipoles I will get LHCP or RHCP.
Is there anything wrong in this approach? My reason for asking, is the
fact that now in fixed RHCP position, AO-51 is very weak, weaker then
before when I used a vertical placed yagi. (see
http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/?Blog:Sept_2008 for more detail)
73's PE0SAT
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:12:57 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no
subject)
To: "Alan" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>, "'Sammy Jenkis'"
<sammyjenkis8965(AT)msn.com>, "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <001801c91767$10a52ae0$0201a8c0(AT)tin.it>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Alan, Scott, and All
Here are many wire wound linear potentiometers that can be adapted.
http://www.potentiometers.com/select_precision.cfm?session_num=200809150146
4
233
The models belove seems to be the best candidates because they are totally
encapsulated wirewound and 360? continuous rotation.
http://www.potentiometers.com/Series5100.cfm?session_num=2008091501464
http://www.potentiometers.com/Series5400.cfm?session_num=2008091501464
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>
To: "'Sammy Jenkis'" <sammyjenkis8965(AT)msn.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no subject)
>
> Good and timely question Scott. Every 10 years or so I rebuild these AZ
> and EL rotators and replace the bears and low temperature grease I think
> that the pot is always the weak link and never gets attention. I have 3
> sets of these AZ/EL rotators to maintain ( mine, club's and friend's ) so
> about every 3 years I have at least one set of them on the bench.
>
> I look forward to other's responses to replacing these pots that are
> unenclosed, exposed to condensation, bugs etc, with a looped centre wire
> flexing/coiling/uncoiling with each satellite pass.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
> Behalf Of Sammy Jenkis
> Sent: September 14, 2008 9:52 PM
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
> Our club has a 5400 Elevation Rotor with a bad potentiometer (wires on the
> winding broken).
>
> The part number is Vertex Q9000408, but I contacted them and they say this
> part is no longer available.
>
> Anyone have a source for an equivalent part or another alternative?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> W0SJE
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:26:18 -0400
From: joe cassano aka jmario <jmario(AT)fast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Annual Report Discussion
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48CEC4EA.2050303(AT)fast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
AMSAT Members:
There have been several recent postings on the topic of an AMSAT Annual
Report. At the time of writing this (September 15, 2008) as near as I
can determine the most recent annual report available to the membership
is for the year 2006 (see
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/documents/finance.php).
On reading the AMSAT bylaws the closest thing I can find to a
requirement for an annual report is in Section 1 which states: "An
Annual Meeting of the corporation shall be held during October or
November of each year at such time and place as the Board shall
determine. At this meeting, the President shall present a report to the
members."
I believe the bylaws should be changed to incorporate the following:
1. assign responsibility for the production of an annual report to the
the AMSAT President
2. specify a list of topics which must be addressed in the annual report
3. require no more than a 3 month interval between the close of the
calendar year and the publication of the annual report
4. specify that publication must consist of mailing a copy to each
member or posting a copy on the AMSAT website
It might be appropriate to post the annual report on the AMSAT website
and then later in the year distribute a printed copy of the annual
report in the same mailing that is used to distribute BOD candidate's
CVs and the BOD candidate ballot form.
If you are a current AMSAT member your comments are solicited...
Joe Cassano - K3FMA
AMSAT member
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea(AT)pacbell.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FW: AMRAD Van Re-listed
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, bruninga(AT)usna.edu
Message-ID: <447664.83639.qm(AT)web80604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sure wish I had an extra $11k floating around!
Jim KQ6EA
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Robert Bruninga <bruninga(AT)usna.edu> wrote:
> From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga(AT)usna.edu>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] FW: AMRAD Van Re-listed
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
> This comms van (satellite truck) needs to stay in Ham radio.
> It is 4 wheel drive I think and has the 35 foot pneumatic
> mast,
> etc..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: AMRAD Van Re-listed
>
> I have re-listed the van on eBay. We got lots of lookers
> on the
> last listing but no bids. This time the starting bit is
> $1. I
> hope we will see some spirited bidding this time. You can
> see
> it at
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267405928
>
> Let anyone that might be interested know about it.
>
> Frank K0BRA
>
> _______________________________________________
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> of the author.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:21:12 -0400
From: Arthur Feller <afeller(AT)ieee.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion
To: joe cassano aka jmario <jmario(AT)fast.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <93DE7F9B-10FC-4EB8-87C9-00B201E7A66E(AT)ieee.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Hi, Joe,
Sounds good. But:
On 15-Sep-2008, at 4:26 PM, joe cassano aka jmario wrote:
> I believe the bylaws should be changed to incorporate the following:
>
> 1. assign responsibility for the production of an annual report to
> the
> the AMSAT President
The President will delegate as seen fit. What's important is that the
job gets done well.
> 2. specify a list of topics which must be addressed in the annual
> report
This is an ever changing list depending on fundraising, which is a
common objective of an annual report. Some judgement applies.
> 3. require no more than a 3 month interval between the close of the
> calendar year and the publication of the annual report
The Annual Report should contain information from the audited
financial statement of the corporation. Normally, this isn't ready
for at least six months after the close of the fiscal year.
> 4. specify that publication must consist of mailing a copy to each
> member or posting a copy on the AMSAT website
Printing and mailing costs several thousands of dollars. Suggest
posting on the web site, as is done now, and putting the rest into
projects.
Seems like the crew is doing reasonably well, given all requirements.
73, art.....
W4ART Arlington VA
Indeed, I am a little crazy! Follow the story:
http://pages.teamintraining.org/nca/seagull08/afeller
It is the greatest of all mistakes to do nothing because you can only
do a little." - Sydney Smith, writer and clergyman (1771-1845)
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:41:31 -0400
From: "Gunther Meisse" <gmouse(AT)neo.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
To: "'joe cassano aka jmario'" <jmario(AT)fast.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
>
Cc: "'Rick Hambly \(W2GPS\)'" <w2gps(AT)cnssys.com>, "'Barry A. Baines'"
<bbaines(AT)mac.com>
Message-ID: <005401c91784$33312330$6501a8c0(AT)NaplesDellPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Joe,
Responding to your questions regarding the "Annual Reports' of AMSAT:
The President has historically "Reported" to the membership on the state
of
the affairs of AMSAT. This presentation is done at the "Annual Meeting" of
the organization and contains details not included within the "Formal
Annual
Report" for the outside world. There is no reason to think that this will
not continue to be the practice. The Annual Meeting is a typical time to
make such a presentation.
Since becoming the AMSAT Treasurer, some years ago, I have produced a full
color 12 page "Annual Report" which is used in fundraising efforts. It is
really designed for the "Outside World" including mention of our many
projects and containing the financial report of our Auditors in an easy to
read format. These reports are on the amsat.org web site for the entire
world to see. Printing and mailing to 4000 ~ 5000 members would be cost
prohibitive especially when we make it available on-line.
The Auditors do not complete the Annual Audit until the third quarter each
year due to the press of tax deadlines. This is not uncommon in the
industry. Having the Audit done within the first three months of the year
is
not likely to happen. The "Annual Report" is of no outside-world value
without this financial information.
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. If there is anything
additional
I can contribute, feel free to contact me.
Regards,
Gunther Meisse
W8GSM
AMSAT LM: 594
AMSAT Treasurer
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of joe cassano aka jmario
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:26 PM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Annual Report Discussion
AMSAT Members:
There have been several recent postings on the topic of an AMSAT Annual
Report. At the time of writing this (September 15, 2008) as near as I
can determine the most recent annual report available to the membership
is for the year 2006 (see
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/documents/finance.php).
On reading the AMSAT bylaws the closest thing I can find to a
requirement for an annual report is in Section 1 which states: "An
Annual Meeting of the corporation shall be held during October or
November of each year at such time and place as the Board shall
determine. At this meeting, the President shall present a report to the
members."
I believe the bylaws should be changed to incorporate the following:
1. assign responsibility for the production of an annual report to the
the AMSAT President
2. specify a list of topics which must be addressed in the annual report
3. require no more than a 3 month interval between the close of the
calendar year and the publication of the annual report
4. specify that publication must consist of mailing a copy to each
member or posting a copy on the AMSAT website
It might be appropriate to post the annual report on the AMSAT website
and then later in the year distribute a printed copy of the annual
report in the same mailing that is used to distribute BOD candidate's
CVs and the BOD candidate ballot form.
If you are a current AMSAT member your comments are solicited...
Joe Cassano - K3FMA
AMSAT member
_______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:21:05 -0400
From: Sebastian <w4as(AT)bellsouth.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DO-64
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <19D89B0A-9E10-4C56-90AC-FD62CC56DF35(AT)bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
I listened to a pass earlier this morning ago over Miami Florida.
Good strong CW beacon heard throughout the entire pass, down until
about 1 degree, but still nothing heard on my uplink.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
On Sep 13, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Luc Leblanc wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2008 at 8:15, WILLIAMS MICHAEL wrote:
>
>
>> As usual, the downlink signal gets weak on the second half of the
>> pass.
>>
>> Mike Williams K9QHO
>
> Got the same results here i got explanations regarding this signal
> drop for polarisation change but as the satellite attitude is
> uncontrolled i tend to believe it's more an effect of the antennas
> pointing towards the earth station and pointing away than a
> polarisation
> issue. This change in the signal level start exactly pass the TCA
> point and signal degrade up to a point he's drop below the noise?
>
> I try to figure out the satellite shape spinning and thumbing in
> space in regard of the polarisation and it will be very odd that the
> polarisation change happen just at TCA?
>
> Any ideas here?
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:34:21 -0600
From: "Sammy Jenkis" <sammyjenkis8965(AT)msn.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no
subject)
To: "'i8cvs'" <domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it>, "'Alan'" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>,
"'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV1EBC4EB47CD67630B56C0BC520(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks for the suggestions, this looks like a great website!
Since I have no specifications on the original pot, any idea how I can
navigate through their website for an equivalent part number?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: i8cvs [mailto:domenico.i8cvs(AT)tin.it]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 13:13
To: Alan; 'Sammy Jenkis'; AMSAT-BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no subject)
Hi Alan, Scott, and All
Here are many wire wound linear potentiometers that can be adapted.
http://www.potentiometers.com/select_precision.cfm?session_num=200809150
1464
233
The models belove seems to be the best candidates because they are
totally
encapsulated wirewound and 360? continuous rotation.
http://www.potentiometers.com/Series5100.cfm?session_num=2008091501464
http://www.potentiometers.com/Series5400.cfm?session_num=2008091501464
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>
To: "'Sammy Jenkis'" <sammyjenkis8965(AT)msn.com>; <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] G5400 replacement pots - waS RE: (no subject)
>
> Good and timely question Scott. Every 10 years or so I rebuild these
AZ
> and EL rotators and replace the bears and low temperature grease I
think
> that the pot is always the weak link and never gets attention. I have
3
> sets of these AZ/EL rotators to maintain ( mine, club's and friend's )
so
> about every 3 years I have at least one set of them on the bench.
>
> I look forward to other's responses to replacing these pots that are
> unenclosed, exposed to condensation, bugs etc, with a looped centre
wire
> flexing/coiling/uncoiling with each satellite pass.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
> Behalf Of Sammy Jenkis
> Sent: September 14, 2008 9:52 PM
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] (no subject)
>
> Our club has a 5400 Elevation Rotor with a bad potentiometer (wires on
the
> winding broken).
>
> The part number is Vertex Q9000408, but I contacted them and they say
this
> part is no longer available.
>
> Anyone have a source for an equivalent part or another alternative?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> W0SJE
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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>
> _______________________________________________
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author.
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------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:39:30 -0400
From: "Greg Dober" <almetco(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <002d01c9178c$4d415f80$6501a8c0(AT)Uniblab>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
As a former CPA, I can tell you this, a non-profit audit is "filler", low
margin work for an accountant unless you're a mega-non-profit. If we
requested the statements to be completed by the auditor by March 31st, you
can count on about a 300-400% increase in cost. As "filler" work, the
firm
usually charges a substantial discount. If you started a non-profit and
you
asked a CPA when your fiscal year should end, it would be any month other
than January-May. 70% of a firms business and revenue is in that period.
73
Greg
N3MVF
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of Gunther Meisse
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:42 PM
To: 'joe cassano aka jmario'; amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Cc: 'Rick Hambly (W2GPS)'; 'Barry A. Baines'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
Joe,
Responding to your questions regarding the "Annual Reports' of AMSAT:
The President has historically "Reported" to the membership on the state
of
the affairs of AMSAT. This presentation is done at the "Annual Meeting" of
the organization and contains details not included within the "Formal
Annual
Report" for the outside world. There is no reason to think that this will
not continue to be the practice. The Annual Meeting is a typical time to
make such a presentation.
Since becoming the AMSAT Treasurer, some years ago, I have produced a full
color 12 page "Annual Report" which is used in fundraising efforts. It is
really designed for the "Outside World" including mention of our many
projects and containing the financial report of our Auditors in an easy to
read format. These reports are on the amsat.org web site for the entire
world to see. Printing and mailing to 4000 ~ 5000 members would be cost
prohibitive especially when we make it available on-line.
The Auditors do not complete the Annual Audit until the third quarter each
year due to the press of tax deadlines. This is not uncommon in the
industry. Having the Audit done within the first three months of the year
is
not likely to happen. The "Annual Report" is of no outside-world value
without this financial information.
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. If there is anything
additional
I can contribute, feel free to contact me.
Regards,
Gunther Meisse
W8GSM
AMSAT LM: 594
AMSAT Treasurer
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of joe cassano aka jmario
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:26 PM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Annual Report Discussion
AMSAT Members:
There have been several recent postings on the topic of an AMSAT Annual
Report. At the time of writing this (September 15, 2008) as near as I
can determine the most recent annual report available to the membership
is for the year 2006 (see
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/documents/finance.php).
On reading the AMSAT bylaws the closest thing I can find to a
requirement for an annual report is in Section 1 which states: "An
Annual Meeting of the corporation shall be held during October or
November of each year at such time and place as the Board shall
determine. At this meeting, the President shall present a report to the
members."
I believe the bylaws should be changed to incorporate the following:
1. assign responsibility for the production of an annual report to the
the AMSAT President
2. specify a list of topics which must be addressed in the annual report
3. require no more than a 3 month interval between the close of the
calendar year and the publication of the annual report
4. specify that publication must consist of mailing a copy to each
member or posting a copy on the AMSAT website
It might be appropriate to post the annual report on the AMSAT website
and then later in the year distribute a printed copy of the annual
report in the same mailing that is used to distribute BOD candidate's
CVs and the BOD candidate ballot form.
If you are a current AMSAT member your comments are solicited...
Joe Cassano - K3FMA
AMSAT member
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:47:34 -0400
From: "Tim Tapio" <tim(AT)timtapio.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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What, pray tell, has initiated this discussion to start with?
Tim T. K4SHF
35580
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of Greg Dober
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:40 PM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
As a former CPA, I can tell you this, a non-profit audit is "filler", low
margin work for an accountant unless you're a mega-non-profit. If we
requested the statements to be completed by the auditor by March 31st, you
can count on about a 300-400% increase in cost. As "filler" work, the
firm
usually charges a substantial discount. If you started a non-profit and
you
asked a CPA when your fiscal year should end, it would be any month other
than January-May. 70% of a firms business and revenue is in that period.
73
Greg
N3MVF
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of Gunther Meisse
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:42 PM
To: 'joe cassano aka jmario'; amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Cc: 'Rick Hambly (W2GPS)'; 'Barry A. Baines'
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Annual Report Discussion - Meisse Reply
Joe,
Responding to your questions regarding the "Annual Reports' of AMSAT:
The President has historically "Reported" to the membership on the state
of
the affairs of AMSAT. This presentation is done at the "Annual Meeting" of
the organization and contains details not included within the "Formal
Annual
Report" for the outside world. There is no reason to think that this will
not continue to be the practice. The Annual Meeting is a typical time to
make such a presentation.
Since becoming the AMSAT Treasurer, some years ago, I have produced a full
color 12 page "Annual Report" which is used in fundraising efforts. It is
really designed for the "Outside World" including mention of our many
projects and containing the financial report of our Auditors in an easy to
read format. These reports are on the amsat.org web site for the entire
world to see. Printing and mailing to 4000 ~ 5000 members would be cost
prohibitive especially when we make it available on-line.
The Auditors do not complete the Annual Audit until the third quarter each
year due to the press of tax deadlines. This is not uncommon in the
industry. Having the Audit done within the first three months of the year
is
not likely to happen. The "Annual Report" is of no outside-world value
without this financial information.
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. If there is anything
additional
I can contribute, feel free to contact me.
Regards,
Gunther Meisse
W8GSM
AMSAT LM: 594
AMSAT Treasurer
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org]
On
Behalf Of joe cassano aka jmario
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:26 PM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Annual Report Discussion
AMSAT Members:
There have been several recent postings on the topic of an AMSAT Annual
Report. At the time of writing this (September 15, 2008) as near as I can
determine the most recent annual report available to the membership
is for the year 2006 (see
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/documents/finance.php).
On reading the AMSAT bylaws the closest thing I can find to a
requirement for an annual report is in Section 1 which states: "An
Annual Meeting of the corporation shall be held during October or November
of each year at such time and place as the Board shall determine. At this
meeting, the President shall present a report to the members."
I believe the bylaws should be changed to incorporate the following:
1. assign responsibility for the production of an annual report to the
the AMSAT President
2. specify a list of topics which must be addressed in the annual report
3. require no more than a 3 month interval between the close of the
calendar year and the publication of the annual report
4. specify that publication must consist of mailing a copy to each member
or posting a copy on the AMSAT website
It might be appropriate to post the annual report on the AMSAT website
and then later in the year distribute a printed copy of the annual
report in the same mailing that is used to distribute BOD candidate's
CVs and the BOD candidate ballot form.
If you are a current AMSAT member your comments are solicited...
Joe Cassano - K3FMA
AMSAT member
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:19:04 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-259 ANS Special Bulletin - AMSAT BoD Election
Results
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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SB SAT (AT) AMSAT $ANS-259.01
ANS Special Bulletin - AMSAT BoD Election Results
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 259.01
>From AMSAT HQ SILVER SPRING, MD.
September 15, 2008
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-259.01
AMSAT Corporate Secretary, Barry Baines, WD4ASW, announced the
results of the 2008 election for the Board of Directors:
Lou McFadin, W5DID - 738
Tom Clark, K3IO - 726
Gould Smith, WA4SXM - 665
Bill Ress, N6GHZ - 483
As a result of the 2008 board of directors election, K3IO, W5DID
and WA4SXM will serve on the AMSAT BOD for 2 years. The alternate
is N6GHZ. The total number of ballots cast was 919. Last year,
the number of ballots received was 871.
The Board will consist of:
Richard Hambly W2GPS
Barry Baines WD4ASW
Gunther Meisse W8GSM
Dr. Thomas A. Clark K3IO
Lou McFadin W5DID
Drew Glasbrenner KO4MA
Gould Smith WA4SXM
Bill Ress N6GHZ (First Alternate)
The next Board meeting will take place in Atlanta, Georgia on
October 23, 2008 prior to the start of the 2008 AMSAT Space
Symposium. This meeting is open to all AMSAT members.
Submitted by Martha Saragovitz
Manager
[ANS thanks Barry, WD4ASW and Martha for the above information]
/EX
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