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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FO-29 (Michael Heim)
2. FM satellites from a Novice point of view (Jim Danehy)
3. AO-51 L/U FM not working (Luc Leblanc)
4. Re: FO-29 (Tim Tapio)
5. Re: FO-29 (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
6. Re: FO-29 (Alan)
7. Re: FO-29 (n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net)
8. Re: FO-29 (Andrew Glasbrenner)
9. Re: FO-29 (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
10. Re: FO-29 (Ben Jackson)
11. Re: FO-29 (n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net)
12. Re: FO-29 (Eric H Christensen)
13. Re: FO-29 (Ben Jackson)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Heim <kd0ar(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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I consider myself a newcomer to trhe satellites like Tim, but in all
actuality, I'm not really.? I operated AO-10 and AO-13 for a short time back
in the 1980's.? They were great fun, but...
?
I could never put up the kind of antenna system today that I needed to work
those birds where I am located now.? I had an 11 element CP yagi on 2, and a
rather large helix on 70 cm.? Even with that size of an array, signals were on
the weak side, and could not hit the birds at apogee reliably.? The FM birds
gave me the opportunity to get back on the air from this new QTH with a
minimum of antennas.?
?
I am working towards a couple of goals here, one is the capability to work AO-
51 in mode S mode, and will be starting work on a mode L transmit converter
soon.? AO-51 offers a nice test bed for equipment that most likely will be
used on P3E and others.? When AO-51 goes into mode U/s, Ill be ready to work
that mode, I hope.? I have a 1296 transverter, but it isnt working properly at
this time, and I do want to continue using it for terrestrial work once I can
get things working there.
?
As far as operating the SSB birds, I'm also working on that too.? Actually, I
have everything I need to do it.? I do have 2 multimode rigs that cover 145
and 435 MHz.? Only thing getting in the way is a preamp situation that I
installed on 435, as well as a mast mounted diplexer that I installed without
any foresight of where I want to go next.? It wont be hard to remedy, and I
hope to have it all working soon, so I can operate these birds, hopefully in a
week or 2.? I have listened in on them, they are relatively quiet, few signals
on, and the capability of having an extended QSO on them.
?
I built a new antenna (U/V), and am currently debugging it.? 145 has a high
SWR which I'm currently working on.? When I get that worked out, I'll be
coming down with 2 feedlines so I can operate both radios at the same time.?
If it all works out, I should be on the SSB birds soon.
?
Mike, kd0ar
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:06:21 -0400
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FM satellites from a Novice point of view
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
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I have been (back) for 5 weeks. With my several recent QSOs on AO16 I have
operated on 7 satellites. If you check me out on QRZ.COM you will see that I
am a CW operator. I made my first QSO on October 9, 1952. Well what does an
old CW man think of FM satellites. It is a lot of fun. Not just the QSOs but
in setting up my station with a pair of high gain yagis (14 ele and 30 ele).
Installing them on an elevation rotor and a Ham M turning the entire set up.
Without the FM birds I would have no way to really test this gear.
I also operate FO 29 and AO 7. As we know AO 7 has been around for 34 years. I
even worked it in the 70s. It is a LEO also with 15 minute passes. I get a
thrill working Europe on AO 7. Working DX or Grid Squares while fun is not the
point. It is the activity. I have CW skills that allow me to carry on a QSO on
CW at speeds in the 40 wpm to 55 wpm range. I used to be able to have QRQ
QSOz on the low end of forty meters. Unfortunately these skilled CW ops are
fast becoming SK and the joys of QRQ CW QSOs are fading.
I do not see the logic from those that harp on the fact that there is no HEO.
What do they want ? If they want to sit in their rocking chairs in front of
their rigs chewing the rag with somebody overseas they can do that now on 20
meters. I never had the chance to operate an HEO. I got off the birds before
AO 40 got launched.
We know that working FM birds is easier than controlling doppler effect on FO
29, VO 52 or AO 7. Besides tracking these birds the doppler issue causes some
not to operate SSB/CW satellites. I hear some folks struggle to get doppler
under control. I had that same issue but overcame it with the help of other
satellite users. Thanks to K9QHO and K9CIS who both helped me. They also live
hundreds of miles from me too.
The CW/SSB birds require more investment in gear. I do hope that those that
use FM will eventually graduate to CW/SSB satellites where there is plenty of
spectrum.
I thought N3TL's recent email put things into perspective for most. Even this
70 year old ham (me) is having fun and also has learned about several
technical issues. Having CW FM and SSB contacts on 7 satellites in the past
month has been fun. Most have been FM. However some good DX (12 countries so
far) have been worked on SSB & CW.
At my age learning and participation is what ham radio is all about. Tomorrow
we are having a local lunch with 4 satellite users none of whom I knew a month
ago. There may not be an HEO in my short lifetime but I am enjoying what we
have and I am thankful for it.
Thanks for all of you who have worked me during the last few weeks. It has
been a real hoot. A CW man operating FM who would have thought that possible.
I love my signal on AO 7 with its chirpy signal. Reminds me of 1952 . . . .
nostagilia
73 Jim W9VNE
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:24:30 -0400
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6(AT)videotron.ca>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 L/U FM not working
To: amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org
Message-ID: <48DB4ABE.1255.2F1C5D(AT)lucleblanc6.videotron.ca>
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HI
I just check the 2 first morning pass here and there was a noise carrier on
435.150 and nothing seems to be received on 1278MHZ? nothing on
the downlink only noise.
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:29:06 -0400
From: "Tim Tapio" <tim(AT)timtapio.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Cc: n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Message-ID: <000f01c91f0a$4da96190$e8fc24b0$(AT)com>
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Something must be working, I joined Amsat over two years ago...my number is
35580...
Tim (N3ITL) is 36820 so there apparently have been a few joined Amsat along
the way...
Not everyone has the inclination or capability to set up a station for a
non-FM mode and operation is a little more demanding.
Yep, Echo can get crowded but so does HF on a contest weekend (much worse).
I expect to have a better station setup shortly, then I'll show up on FO-29
(knock on wood) and hopefully AO-16 as well.
Without something on the lines of AO-51, I never would have gotten back into
satellites. My first pass though a bird was back in 1985 when I chased my
dits (2 meter up, 10 meter down) using one of those polar orbit things that
you used to get to track sats.
One things that really impresses me is the amount of talent and the activity
on this bb, it truly amazes me.
73 de Tim, K4SHF 35580
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
Behalf Of n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:06 PM
To: Dave Guimont; i8cvs
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Mr. Guimont,
I take exception to your comments about AO-51 and its relative merits. I am
a newcomer to the amateur satellites - having been totally off the air for
more than 15 years. I was originally licensed 25 years ago.
I've submitted a paper that will be published as part of the official
proceedings of the AMSAT-NA Symposium that discusses how working AO-27,
AO-51 and SO-50 with a handheld station specifically addresses the elements
of FCC Part 97.1, which lays out the foundation for the amateur radio
service. I hope you'll have a chance to read it.
I am in the process of getting a full station together to start working the
CW/SSB satellites, but if those satellites and the equipment/investment they
require had been where I had to start working satellites, I wouldn't have
done it. A newcomer can get everything he/she needs to effectively work the
three Mode-J FM satellites for about what it costs to buy an xBox 360
console and 2-3 games for it. It occurs to me that parents just might be
more interested in investing that amount of money in amateur radio than in
video games. That's one reason why I see these satellites and the concept of
working them with handheld stations to be a great recipe for introducing
newcomers to amateur radio and all it has to offer.
I see advantages to all of the satellites and all of their various modes of
operation. Have you worked AO-16 recently in its "bent pipe" mode? What a
hoot! I'm enjoying that a lot, and I look forward to hearing you on FO-29 in
the very near future. I hope we'll have a chance to work each other there,
and I hope you might reconsider your position on AO-51 and the other two
Mode-J FM satellites. As you likely have seen here from posts about it,
AO-27 is currently experiencing some problems and is not operating. However,
SO-50 is not nearly as busy as AO-51.
One of the main points I make in the paper I've written for the Symposium is
that the quick exchanges made necessary by the nature of these satellites
provides great chances for operators to hone their skills at providing
pertinent information in a short form during what sometimes can be chaotic
(or, at least chaotic-sounding) conditions - things that I know from
personal experience are very important in emergency-communications.
I suppose the excitement of working AO-51 could fade for me in time, but I
doubt it.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
AMSAT Member No. 36820
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
-------------- Original message from Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>:
--------------
>
> >
> >
> > > Where is everyone on FO-29???
> >
> > >
> > > We've got from 145.900 to 146.000 on the uplink, cw or ssb, room
> > > for many, many SIMULTANEOUS QSO'S.
> > >
> > > Why fight the mob on AO-51???...
> > >
> > > Get Marty Davidoff's SATELLITE EXPERIMENTER'S MANUAL if you need
> > > help in understanding the procedure...
> > >
> > > A fifth grader could do it easily...
> >
> >Hi Dave, WB6LLO
> >
> >I agree with you and this is why I work only FO-29 but actually for
> >many reason you are a voice crying in the wilderness.
>
> Unfortunate, but true, Dom...AMSAT-NA made such a big promotion of
> AO-51, supposedly promote interest in hamsats and increase membership,
> and I think it did just the opposite...
>
> I've asked many times how many members we acquired, never got an
> answer so assume it was zero, nada, nil.....
>
> And part of the loss was also many former ssb/cw users that just gave
> up because of lack of bandspread...
>
> I tried to hold a conversation when 51 was first launched, and was
> berated severely for making a couple of short sentences!!
>
> What good is it if no intelligence is transferred??
>
> One could swap grid squares on a cell phone, if that is the only
interest!!
>
> GO P3E!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >
> >
> >Pulling for P3E...
> >
> >73" de
> >
> >i8CVS Domenico
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:46:08 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: Tim Tapio <tim(AT)timtapio.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Message-ID: <48DB8810.6040009(AT)ngunn.net>
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Not everybody has the inclination to set up a station at all.
Many don't seem to have the capability of saying anything useful or
interesting once they have set up the station.
Tim Tapio wrote:
> Not everyone has the inclination or capability to set up a station
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:56:00 -0500
From: "Alan" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <4267B89AB5464943988F7304DAD79D09(AT)athlon>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Remember "Experimenter's Wednesday" on AO-51 a year or 2 ago?
AO-51 does not have to be 24/7 grid squares.
See the other BB thread on SSTV on ISS. Are you ready and have you tested
your equipment and software for what can be an exciting few days? Check it
out. What about a proposal to the AO-51 command team to set one of the 2
transponders to FM VHF downlink and UHF uplink ( reverse of what is normal )
to do a ISS/SSTV test? Then instead of capturing grid squares y'all can try
to collect QSL cards via SSTV. Okay, that will be almost impossible, but
for testing purposes perhaps on a specific pass a designated station can be
the TX and everyone else can test their RX capabilities.
Just thinking out load.
73, Alan VE4YZ
EN19kw
AMSAT LM 2352
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Tapio
Sent: September 25, 2008 7:29 AM
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Cc: n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Something must be working, I joined Amsat over two years ago...my number is
35580...
Tim (N3ITL) is 36820 so there apparently have been a few joined Amsat along
the way...
Not everyone has the inclination or capability to set up a station for a
non-FM mode and operation is a little more demanding.
Yep, Echo can get crowded but so does HF on a contest weekend (much worse).
I expect to have a better station setup shortly, then I'll show up on FO-29
(knock on wood) and hopefully AO-16 as well.
Without something on the lines of AO-51, I never would have gotten back into
satellites. My first pass though a bird was back in 1985 when I chased my
dits (2 meter up, 10 meter down) using one of those polar orbit things that
you used to get to track sats.
One things that really impresses me is the amount of talent and the activity
on this bb, it truly amazes me.
73 de Tim, K4SHF 35580
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces(AT)amsat.org] On
Behalf Of n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:06 PM
To: Dave Guimont; i8cvs
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Mr. Guimont,
I take exception to your comments about AO-51 and its relative merits. I am
a newcomer to the amateur satellites - having been totally off the air for
more than 15 years. I was originally licensed 25 years ago.
I've submitted a paper that will be published as part of the official
proceedings of the AMSAT-NA Symposium that discusses how working AO-27,
AO-51 and SO-50 with a handheld station specifically addresses the elements
of FCC Part 97.1, which lays out the foundation for the amateur radio
service. I hope you'll have a chance to read it.
I am in the process of getting a full station together to start working the
CW/SSB satellites, but if those satellites and the equipment/investment they
require had been where I had to start working satellites, I wouldn't have
done it. A newcomer can get everything he/she needs to effectively work the
three Mode-J FM satellites for about what it costs to buy an xBox 360
console and 2-3 games for it. It occurs to me that parents just might be
more interested in investing that amount of money in amateur radio than in
video games. That's one reason why I see these satellites and the concept of
working them with handheld stations to be a great recipe for introducing
newcomers to amateur radio and all it has to offer.
I see advantages to all of the satellites and all of their various modes of
operation. Have you worked AO-16 recently in its "bent pipe" mode? What a
hoot! I'm enjoying that a lot, and I look forward to hearing you on FO-29 in
the very near future. I hope we'll have a chance to work each other there,
and I hope you might reconsider your position on AO-51 and the other two
Mode-J FM satellites. As you likely have seen here from posts about it,
AO-27 is currently experiencing some problems and is not operating. However,
SO-50 is not nearly as busy as AO-51.
One of the main points I make in the paper I've written for the Symposium is
that the quick exchanges made necessary by the nature of these satellites
provides great chances for operators to hone their skills at providing
pertinent information in a short form during what sometimes can be chaotic
(or, at least chaotic-sounding) conditions - things that I know from
personal experience are very important in emergency-communications.
I suppose the excitement of working AO-51 could fade for me in time, but I
doubt it.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
AMSAT Member No. 36820
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
-------------- Original message from Dave Guimont <dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com>:
--------------
>
> >
> >
> > > Where is everyone on FO-29???
> >
> > >
> > > We've got from 145.900 to 146.000 on the uplink, cw or ssb, room
> > > for many, many SIMULTANEOUS QSO'S.
> > >
> > > Why fight the mob on AO-51???...
> > >
> > > Get Marty Davidoff's SATELLITE EXPERIMENTER'S MANUAL if you need
> > > help in understanding the procedure...
> > >
> > > A fifth grader could do it easily...
> >
> >Hi Dave, WB6LLO
> >
> >I agree with you and this is why I work only FO-29 but actually for
> >many reason you are a voice crying in the wilderness.
>
> Unfortunate, but true, Dom...AMSAT-NA made such a big promotion of
> AO-51, supposedly promote interest in hamsats and increase membership,
> and I think it did just the opposite...
>
> I've asked many times how many members we acquired, never got an
> answer so assume it was zero, nada, nil.....
>
> And part of the loss was also many former ssb/cw users that just gave
> up because of lack of bandspread...
>
> I tried to hold a conversation when 51 was first launched, and was
> berated severely for making a couple of short sentences!!
>
> What good is it if no intelligence is transferred??
>
> One could swap grid squares on a cell phone, if that is the only
interest!!
>
> GO P3E!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >
> >
> >Pulling for P3E...
> >
> >73" de
> >
> >i8CVS Domenico
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1(AT)san.rr.com
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:06:00 +0000
From: n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net, Tim Tapio <tim(AT)timtapio.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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"Many don't seem to have the capability of saying anything useful or
interesting once they have set up the station."
It occurs to me that "useful or interesting" are in the ears of the beholder.
I've hear a lot of both in the middle of all the grid squares on AO-27, AO-51
and SO-50.
-------------- Original message from Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
<nigel(AT)ngunn.net>: --------------
> Not everybody has the inclination to set up a station at all.
> Many don't seem to have the capability of saying anything useful or
interesting
> once they have set up the station.
>
>
> Tim Tapio wrote:
>
> > Not everyone has the inclination or capability to set up a station
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:12:40 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: "Alan" <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <A84EA1E1A2D74007A3AFFBB4F00F5D13(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
> Remember "Experimenter's Wednesday" on AO-51 a year or 2 ago?
We now run the "experimental" modes for a ~week at a time.
> What about a proposal to the AO-51 command team to set one of the 2
> transponders to FM VHF downlink and UHF uplink ( reverse of what is
> normal )
> to do a ISS/SSTV test?
AO-51 only has 435 and 2401 transmitters.
> Okay, that will be almost impossible, but
> for testing purposes perhaps on a specific pass a designated station can
> be
> the TX and everyone else can test their RX capabilities.
We are working on this idea already...more to come soon!
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:10:34 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: Alan <ve4yz(AT)mts.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48DB9BDA.8050701(AT)ngunn.net>
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Remember the weekly QRP day on ALL the sats until a few years ago?
Alan wrote:
> Remember "Experimenter's Wednesday" on AO-51 a year or 2 ago?
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:30:48 -0400
From: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48DBA098.9020508(AT)innismir.net>
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Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> Remember the weekly QRP day on ALL the sats until a few years ago?
I actually like the idea of a QRP day. When Drew started bringing the
2nd V/U transponder online last winter/early spring it was fun to have a
(nearly) empty satellite to play on and see "how low I could go" to get
in. (5W into a vertical)
Now that I'm testing a more directional antenna, it would be fun to not
have to deal with the 50W stations muscling through.
- --
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:08:04 +0000
From: n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>, nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<092520081508.12475.48DBA953000DE01D000030BB22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C
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For what it's worth, guys ... any day can be QRP day.
I'll soon be applying for the AMSAT Achievement Award using confirmed contacts
that were all made while I was transmitting 50 milliwatts RF out from my Yaesu
VX-7R, on 2 AA Duracells - the same set of AA Duracells, actually. I ended up
making 51 contacts at 50 mW RF out, and another 3 at 300 mW RF out, from that
one set of Duracells.
Only 4 of the 20 contacts I'll use for the Achievement Award came on AO-51's
QRP pair of 145.880 up and 435.300 down. The other 16 contacts included all
three Mode-J FM LEO satellites during operation on the standard V/U pairs. It
took me six days of operating to wear out the Duracells, and I ended up with
20 states, Ontario, Mexico and Venezuela worked. The highlight for me was
state No. 20, thanks to Mark, WA8SME - it was my first-ever contact (any mode,
any band) with W1AW. That was cool!
So any time you'd like a QRP day, just reduce the output power and go for it!
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
AMSAT Member No. 36820
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
-------------- Original message from Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>: ------
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> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> > Remember the weekly QRP day on ALL the sats until a few years ago?
>
> I actually like the idea of a QRP day. When Drew started bringing the
> 2nd V/U transponder online last winter/early spring it was fun to have a
> (nearly) empty satellite to play on and see "how low I could go" to get
> in. (5W into a vertical)
>
> Now that I'm testing a more directional antenna, it would be fun to not
> have to deal with the 50W stations muscling through.
>
>
> - --
> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
> bbj innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:37:57 -0400
From: Eric H Christensen <eric(AT)christensenplace.us>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <4901290.199391222357077969.JavaMail.servlet(AT)perfora>
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I'll have to agree with Tim. I dusted off my arrow a few days ago and walked
outside to work AO-51 and I haven't had any problems at all. I have been
consistently working three and four stations a pass using 5-watts or less and
my arrow antenna. I remember when it was quite difficult to get into 51 with
the same setup. Maybe people have gotten more polite or maybe it's just luck.
73,
Eric W4OTN
>For what it's worth, guys ... any day can be QRP day.
>
>I'll soon be applying for the AMSAT Achievement Award using confirmed
contacts
>that were all made while I was transmitting 50 milliwatts RF out from my
Yaesu
>VX-7R, on 2 AA Duracells - the same set of AA Duracells, actually. I ended up
>making 51 contacts at 50 mW RF out, and another 3 at 300 mW RF out, from that
>one set of Duracells.
>
>Only 4 of the 20 contacts I'll use for the Achievement Award came on AO-51's
>QRP pair of 145.880 up and 435.300 down. The other 16 contacts included all
>three Mode-J FM LEO satellites during operation on the standard V/U pairs. It
>took me six days of operating to wear out the Duracells, and I ended up with
>20 states, Ontario, Mexico and Venezuela worked. The highlight for me was
>state No. 20, thanks to Mark, WA8SME - it was my first-ever contact (any
mode,
>any band) with W1AW. That was cool!
>
>So any time you'd like a QRP day, just reduce the output power and go for it!
>
>73 to all,
>
>Tim - N3TL
>AMSAT Member No. 36820
>Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
>-------------- Original message from Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>:
>--------------
>
>
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>> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>> > Remember the weekly QRP day on ALL the sats until a few years ago?
>>
>> I actually like the idea of a QRP day. When Drew started bringing the
>> 2nd V/U transponder online last winter/early spring it was fun to have a
>> (nearly) empty satellite to play on and see "how low I could go" to get
>> in. (5W into a vertical)
>>
>> Now that I'm testing a more directional antenna, it would be fun to not
>> have to deal with the 50W stations muscling through.
>>
>>
>> - --
>> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
>> bbj innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:40:05 -0400
From: Ben Jackson <bbj(AT)innismir.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
To: n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48DBB0D5.40107(AT)innismir.net>
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n3tl(AT)bellsouth.net wrote:
> For what it's worth, guys ... *any* day can be QRP day.
While, yes, you are correct and anyone can run QRP, there's a bit of a
difference when *everyone* is running QRP and just you are running QRP. :)
I always try to yield to QRP and Portable stations. <shameless_plug> As
I follow the "The Courteous Ham's Guide to AO-51" available at
http://is.gd/37Ca </shameless_plug>, however not everyone does. It's a
lot easier to work a satellite at 5W or less when everyone else is also
only running 5W or less, not that it's impossible to work it when
everyone is pumping out enough RF to roast a chicken.
It would be interesting to encourage people who may not realize how easy
it is to run QRP into satellites to give it a try.
- --
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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