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Today's Topics:
1. WTB Icom MB-5 mounting bracket (Andrew Glasbrenner)
2. Telemetry question (Bob DeVarney W1ICW)
3. Re: Telemetry (Edward Cole)
4. Re: Chinese bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
5. Re: Chinese Bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
6. OH8MBN-2000 (TERRY BROMLEY)
7. who was that masked man? (Greg D.)
8. OH8MBN on AO7 (k3szh(AT)netzero.net)
9. A0-51 (WCP)
10. Re: who was that masked man? (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
11. SpaceX makes it! (Andrew Glasbrenner)
12. Re: SpaceX makes it! (Jim Jerzycke)
13. Wanted: article from April 1989 Oscar News (Douglas Quagliana)
14. Re: SpaceX makes it! (Rocky Jones)
15. Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 3, Issue 491 (Gopal Madhavan)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:26:39 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] WTB Icom MB-5 mounting bracket
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
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Does someone have one of these they'd like to sell? I'm looking to buy
one...
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:30:48 -0400
From: Bob DeVarney W1ICW <we1u(AT)verizon.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Telemetry question
To: tim(AT)timtapio.com, amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48DFDB68.8030607(AT)verizon.net>
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For Compass-1, try 437.275 CW mode for the beacon. Should come every 3
minutes or so. The cw is very "chirpy"; once you hear it you'll know
what I mean.
The cw can be copied in FM mode, but the "sound" you hear will be the
space between the dots and dashes, not the dots and dashes themselves..
think about it and you'll understand... NH7WN has good luck copying
"visually" by recording the audio and then analysing it visually in
Audacity. Send him an email if you're interested.
You might hear AFSK 1200 baud packet on 437.405 as well, but only very
occasionally, and never in eclipse.
With M2 30 elements CP and a SSB preamp at the antenna, I only get the
bird S-7 to S-9 tops, so you might have a hard time hearing it with an
eggbeater.
Your actual mileage may vary.
I have considered an eggbeater as well, if for no other reason than to
save wear and tear on my 20 year old Yaesu 5400 rotor !
73 de Bob W1ICW
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:48:55 -0800
From: Edward Cole <kl7uw(AT)acsalaska.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Telemetry
To: "Tim Tapio" <tim(AT)timtapio.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <200809281948.m8SJmtNJ052967(AT)malik.acsalaska.net>
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Tim,
You realize that the "low-noise figure" preamp is most affective when
placed at the antenna and that this is because the feedline will
degrade the noise figure.
How the noise figure is affected, is that the amount of loss in the
feedline is directly added to the noise figure of the preamp. So if
your preamp is 0.5 dB NF (a common value for a good Gasfet preamp)
and your feedline loss is 1.5 dB (what a medium long run of RG-8 or
RG-213 will have at 70cm) then your overall receiving noise figure is
about 2.0 dB (actually there is a small amount of degradation
contributed by your radio's noise figure (which may another 0.1 or
0.2 dB if your preamp gain is 20-dB or more).
So when you place your preamp at the antenna, your receivng system NF
will be close to that of the preamp. You do not need super low loss
feedling if the preamp is at the antenna. Use what you have
now. The feedline loss will add directly to the NF of your radio in
the shack, but the total will be reduced by the gain of the preamp.
I plugged these numbers into my NF program and the result is:
preamp in shack: system NF = 2.08 dB
system sensitivity: -139.3 dBm (assuming 2-KHz SSB bandwidth, 150K
of sky temperature, and 100K of antenna temperature)
preamp at antenna: system NF = 0.58 dB
system sensitivity: - 140.9 dBm
So the NF is dramatically reduced and one can copy signals about 1.6
dB weaker (about 1/2 S-unit). If signals are S7-9, this will not be
significant but if signals are S0 to S1 it may make the difference
between copying the signal or not!
By all means move the preamp to the antenna. No change in feeline is
need for reception improvement (assuming here that you are not
planning to use this antenna for transmitting).
73 Ed - KL7UW
At 04:22 AM 9/28/2008, Tim Tapio wrote:
>Hello all!
>
>
>
>Two questions on telemetry..
>
>
>
>1. I was considering dedicating a 70 cm "eggbeater" with a preamp as a
>good, omni-directional antenna. So far though, it doesn't seem to pick up
>below 12 degree elevations. Currently the preamp is in the shack (I know, at
>the antenna) and my coax is not optimum. If I use heliax, put the preamp at
>the antenna, is this feasible or should I plan on a steerable beam?
>
>2. I'm having a dickens of a time figuring out what the telemetry
>frequencies are. I've looked at DK3WN's site which has the decoding software
>but I seem to be having issues finding frequencies, am I looking in the
>wrong places?
>
>
>
>Thanks for your time!
>
>
>
>73 de Tim, K4SHF FM04
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:21:13 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese bird
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DFF549.4030204(AT)ngunn.net>
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The keps for Objects A and E have not changed so I assume them to have re-
entered.
OBJECT A
1 33386U 08047A 08272.15013951 .00054573 00000-0 29582-3 0 158
2 33386 042.4044 178.2230 0005368 282.1563 235.6774 15.79173201 410
OBJECT B
1 33387U 08047B 08272.52125000 .00324036 82851-5 23787-3 0 175
2 33387 042.4058 175.2862 0090770 146.3481 216.8338 16.05968715 481
OBJECT C
1 33388U 08047C 08272.79537664 .07064019 81123-5 33940-2 0 180
2 33388 042.5742 173.5657 0090234 165.6608 196.7439 16.10983137 520
OBJECT D
1 33389U 08047D 08272.49420139 .05297875 79209-5 29873-2 0 173
2 33389 042.5303 175.7401 0145323 164.5134 195.0393 15.98817780 466
OBJECT E
1 33390U 08047E 08272.09102851 .03224960 77331-5 30760-2 0 38
2 33390 042.2824 179.0310 0205276 133.9838 323.5950 15.80599614 151
OBJECT F
1 33391U 08047F 08271.89590119 +.02818579 +76643-5 +29023-2 0 00022
2 33391 042.2388 180.3464 0215754 136.2522 281.2430 15.77502214000126
OBJECT G
1 33392U 08047G 08272.77258895 .00013893 00000-0 79060-4 0 57
2 33392 042.4046 174.3906 0006826 283.7746 175.2304 15.78758671 187
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> I will summise that:
> Object B was the original crew/payload module.
> Object B then split into 3 induvidual parts to become Object F, the
> re-entry module and Objects B and E are the propulsion module and crew
> module.
> Object G is the satellite they ejected.
> Objects A, C abd D are the rocket body and shields.
>
> Diagram of the spacecraft here:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7640301.stm
>
>
>
> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>> We have 3 new objects this morning.
>> One will be the satellite they threw out, one might be the re-entry
>> module, any guesses on the third?
>>
>> OBJECT A
>> 1 33386U 08047A 08272.03157407 .00058856 00000-0 31878-3 0 148
>> 2 33386 042.4039 178.9535 0005455 281.7900 281.1499 15.79165297 399
>> OBJECT B
>> 1 33387U 08047B 08272.10851979 .00331787 82862-5 24665-3 0 157
>> 2 33387 042.4056 177.9288 0091371 143.1653 350.9410 16.05709766 417
>> OBJECT C
>> 1 33388U 08047C 08272.07164448 .05965914 79757-5 35793-2 0 165
>> 2 33388 042.5635 178.2286 0132890 157.6146 335.5968 16.00603714 400
>> OBJECT D
>> 1 33389U 08047D 08272.07101250 .05057167 78671-5 33535-2 0 155
>> 2 33389 042.5304 178.4131 0159115 161.3630 282.7272 15.94264673 404
>> OBJECT E
>> 1 33390U 08047E 08271.83351942 .03191372 77247-5 31858-2 0 20
>> 2 33390 042.2872 180.6102 0210917 131.7480 299.3868 15.78884219 117
>> OBJECT F
>> 1 33391U 08047F 08271.18885239 .02670637 76465-5 30734-2 0 17
>> 2 33391 042.2455 184.6779 0229104 130.3664 231.7368 15.73363832 07
>> OBJECT G
>> 1 33392U 08047G 08272.01633316 -.00014617 00000-0 -78040-4 0 31
>> 2 33392 042.3990 179.0456 0007088 284.9410 190.4454 15.78718137 63
>>
>
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:24:04 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese Bird
To: AMSAT-BB BBs <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DFF5F4.7070000(AT)ngunn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
The keps for Objects A and E have not changed so I assume them to have re-
entered.
OBJECT A
1 33386U 08047A 08272.15013951 .00054573 00000-0 29582-3 0 158
2 33386 042.4044 178.2230 0005368 282.1563 235.6774 15.79173201 410
OBJECT B
1 33387U 08047B 08272.52125000 .00324036 82851-5 23787-3 0 175
2 33387 042.4058 175.2862 0090770 146.3481 216.8338 16.05968715 481
OBJECT C
1 33388U 08047C 08272.79537664 .07064019 81123-5 33940-2 0 180
2 33388 042.5742 173.5657 0090234 165.6608 196.7439 16.10983137 520
OBJECT D
1 33389U 08047D 08272.49420139 .05297875 79209-5 29873-2 0 173
2 33389 042.5303 175.7401 0145323 164.5134 195.0393 15.98817780 466
OBJECT E
1 33390U 08047E 08272.09102851 .03224960 77331-5 30760-2 0 38
2 33390 042.2824 179.0310 0205276 133.9838 323.5950 15.80599614 151
OBJECT F
1 33391U 08047F 08271.89590119 +.02818579 +76643-5 +29023-2 0 00022
2 33391 042.2388 180.3464 0215754 136.2522 281.2430 15.77502214000126
OBJECT G
1 33392U 08047G 08272.77258895 .00013893 00000-0 79060-4 0 57
2 33392 042.4046 174.3906 0006826 283.7746 175.2304 15.78758671 187
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> I will summise that:
> Object B was the original crew/payload module.
> Object B then split into 3 induvidual parts to become Object F, the re-
entry module and Objects B and E are the propulsion module and crew
module.
> Object G is the satellite they ejected.
> Objects A, C abd D are the rocket body and shields.
>
> Diagram of the spacecraft here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7640301.stm
>
>
>
> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>> We have 3 new objects this morning.
>> One will be the satellite they threw out, one might be the re-entry
module, any guesses on the third?
>>
>> OBJECT A
>> 1 33386U 08047A 08272.03157407 .00058856 00000-0 31878-3 0 148
>> 2 33386 042.4039 178.9535 0005455 281.7900 281.1499 15.79165297 399
>> OBJECT B
>> 1 33387U 08047B 08272.10851979 .00331787 82862-5 24665-3 0 157
>> 2 33387 042.4056 177.9288 0091371 143.1653 350.9410 16.05709766 417
>> OBJECT C
>> 1 33388U 08047C 08272.07164448 .05965914 79757-5 35793-2 0 165
>> 2 33388 042.5635 178.2286 0132890 157.6146 335.5968 16.00603714 400
>> OBJECT D
>> 1 33389U 08047D 08272.07101250 .05057167 78671-5 33535-2 0 155
>> 2 33389 042.5304 178.4131 0159115 161.3630 282.7272 15.94264673 404
>> OBJECT E
>> 1 33390U 08047E 08271.83351942 .03191372 77247-5 31858-2 0 20
>> 2 33390 042.2872 180.6102 0210917 131.7480 299.3868 15.78884219 117
>> OBJECT F
>> 1 33391U 08047F 08271.18885239 .02670637 76465-5 30734-2 0 17
>> 2 33391 042.2455 184.6779 0229104 130.3664 231.7368 15.73363832 07
>> OBJECT G
>> 1 33392U 08047G 08272.01633316 -.00014617 00000-0 -78040-4 0 31
>> 2 33392 042.3990 179.0456 0007088 284.9410 190.4454 15.78718137 63
>>
>
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:43:50 +0100
From: "TERRY BROMLEY" <terry.bromley(AT)btinternet.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] OH8MBN-2000
To: "AMSAT" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <C3D1FA0E32A94DF4B10A7B98905D5635(AT)homefe58dd0336>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Well done Mika on reaching 2000 in the ao-7 log. See you soon my friend on ao-
7.
73s Terry G1WPR.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:27:52 -0700
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] who was that masked man?
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BLU133-W6C3555FD5906FFDD92767A9410(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Right at the end of this morning's FO-29 pass (about 17:50z) I heard a station
that sounded like "AL1S" in grid square AP90. That grid would be in Alaska,
which was in the footprint, but there's no AL1S up there (nor KL1S, for that
matter) according to QRZ.com. Anybody know who that was?
I was at about 5 degrees elevation on the satellite, and I think he caught my
call sign correctly. I was just about to confirm it all, then my south-
centered antenna controller decided it was time to swing around to the other
side of zero azimuth. By the time the antenna came back around a minute
later, he was gone.
Related side-question: Does anyone know if the latest version of Predict
(Linux version) supports "flipped" antenna rotor operation? My rotor and
controller can do it, but Predict 2.2.1 doesn't.
Greg KO6TH
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:37:06 GMT
From: "k3szh(AT)netzero.net" <k3szh(AT)netzero.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] OH8MBN on AO7
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <20080928.153706.11343.0(AT)webmail20.dca.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Mika
Take pride and Congratulation on your 2000 plus contacts on AO7. Who would
ever think it would come back and give us this kind of enjoyment of the last
of the high fliers.
Again Congratulation and tnx for the many qsos on AO7
73
Joe
Amsat 3788
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:45:21 -0400
From: "WCP" <wcp2(AT)mchsi.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] A0-51
To: <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <001101c921bb$e3c96f40$1401a8c0(AT)mchsi.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Are we still in L/U ?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:55:42 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: who was that masked man?
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<2e18ad3e0809281555g6320c666ve82d6ecc14b94155(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Right at the end of this morning's FO-29 pass (about 17:50z) I heard a
station
> that sounded like "AL1S" in grid square AP90. That grid would be in Alaska,
> which was in the footprint, but there's no AL1S up there (nor KL1S, for that
> matter) according to QRZ.com. Anybody know who that was?
Could it have been AL1F? The http://oscar.dcarr.org/ web site shows AL1F
posted reports for the pass you mentioned and later in the day.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:31:21 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX makes it!
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <76759A1006B94B649F362EC0A9B051AF(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Congratulations to SpaceX on the successful launch of Falcon 1 Flight 4!
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea(AT)pacbell.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SpaceX makes it!
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <100138.18042.qm(AT)web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Yes, congrats to them for a job well done. Glad to see them (finally!) make it
into orbit.
Jim KQ6EA
--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com> wrote:
> From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX makes it!
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 4:31 PM
> Congratulations to SpaceX on the successful launch of Falcon
> 1 Flight 4!
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:52:12 -0500
From: Douglas Quagliana <dquagliana(AT)aol.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Wanted: article from April 1989 Oscar News
To: AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48E026BC.3000706(AT)aol.com>
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Hi,
Does anyone have a copy of (or know where I can
get a copy of) the article "Determination of Orbital
Elements Through Distance Measurements" by Stefan
Eckart? It was published in the April 1989 "Oscar
News" on pages 22-25.
Douglas KA2UPW/5
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:25:05 -0500
From: Rocky Jones <orbitjet(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SpaceX makes it!
To: <kq6ea(AT)pacbell.net>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W10F6A7F9CC3D6D795ED79DD6400(AT)phx.gbl>
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It is appropriate that they do it the week that the PRC did its first space
walk.
The space program of the old (government financed government run) watches the
dawn of a new era.
Robert WB5MZO Amsat Life Member
> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:38:44 -0700
> From: kq6ea(AT)pacbell.net
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org; glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SpaceX makes it!
>
> Yes, congrats to them for a job well done. Glad to see them (finally!) make
it into orbit.
> Jim KQ6EA
>
>
> --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
wrote:
>
> > From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] SpaceX makes it!
> > To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 4:31 PM
> > Congratulations to SpaceX on the successful launch of Falcon
> > 1 Flight 4!
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> > _______________________________________________
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> > of the author.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:49:12 +0530
From: "Gopal Madhavan" <gopal.madhavan(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 3, Issue 491
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One suggestion I had posted some time ago for these rotors was to change the
bolts holding both halves together when the rotor is NEW and before it is
put up in use, to Allen head bolts.
The standard bolts with flat screwdriver heads become almost impossible to
remove once the ravages of weather have had their toll. The Allen head bolts
can be moved easily as the wrenches do not slip or damage the slots
Also if the end stop limit switches fail, the rotor drives the unit past the
stops ( which are just bent tabs on the mounting plate) and bends the whole
thing out of shape. I have had this happen twice.
Gopal Madhavan VU2GMN
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Chennai - 600 028
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1. Re: Kenpro elevation rotor repair (quadpugh(AT)bellsouth.net)
2. Re: Chinese bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
3. Re: Chinese bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
4. Telemetry (Tim Tapio)
5. Re: Chinese bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
6. Re: Chinese bird (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
7. Re: GO-32 off??? (Mark Ku7z)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:24:24 +0000
From: quadpugh(AT)bellsouth.net
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Kenpro elevation rotor repair
To: Roy <rdwelch(AT)swbell.net>, Sangat Singh <sangatsingh(AT)gmail.com>
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
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All
Here is my $.02. First smell the motor. If the motor has burnt windings
you can smell them. mesureesure the resistance
between the winding. If the resistance beteen the winding is roughly
the same
suspect the capastor in the control box. If something mechanical has
failed a visually inspection will reveal it. There a lot of parts in
there but is faitly intutive on how to assemble them.
good luck
nickly
-------------- Original message from Roy <rdwelch(AT)swbell.net>:
--------------
> Hi Guys,
>
> My two cents worth. It looks like Sebastian has made all of the
> checks. I assume the rotor will not move in either direction. It's
> possible that something had fallen into the gear train, jamming the
> works but it does sound more like a bad motor. Have you measured all of
> the voltages and especially the resistance values on the motor leads as
> shown in the owner's manual? If the resistances all look good and the
> supply voltages are good then I would check the resistance from each
> motor lead to the metal case to see if there is a short circuit to the
> rotor housing. I'm not sure but in some countries RFI hash protection
> has been added to the rotor circuitry consisting of small RF chokes and
> capacitors mounted inside the rotor case. For example, my Emoto rotors
> don't have it but the versions sold in some European countries do have
> it. You might check to see if there is a similar thing in your rotor
> and that there are no failures there. I doubt that this is the problem
> however. Good luck.
>
> Roy -- W0SL
>
> Sangat Singh wrote:
> > Sebastian,
> >
> > I had a similar problem. In my case I found that the 24 volt motor had
> > packed up. Since I had another Elevation Rotator with the faulty pot
> > sitting on my bench for half a century, I swapped the motor and it
> > worked. The motor is easily removed. Please remove the 4 screws that
> > hold the motor and then try powering up and see if the motor works. I
> > suppose you won't have a spare motor. I am trying to get the faulty
> > motor rewired. Our local talent can do wonderful things.
> >
> > You might consult Roy Welch who has a great knowledge on ailing Yaesu
> > rotators. I am sure he has seen this mail and may have some valuable
> > suggestions. Do share your experience if you manage to fix this
problem.
> >
> > Opening nuts is a big problem and your Motor Cycle workshop should be
> > able to help. I got mine too opened that way.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Sangat, 9M2SS
> >
> > 2008/9/27 Sebastian >
> >
> > Well I had been back on the birds for the last 3 months or so, and
> > while I was getting ready for an AO-16 pass a few days ago, my
> > elevation rotor on my Yaesu G-5400B stopped at about 10 degrees.
> >
> > That's it. It won't go back down or up.
> >
> > So I checked the wiring on the rotor, everything appeared fine. I
> > removed the elevation rotor from the azimuthal, and took it inside.
I
> > made a small patch cord to go from the control box to the rotor, but
> > no luck. All I get is the display of the elevation of about 10
> > degrees, and I hear a little hum when I attempt to move it up or
> > down. This tells me that the potentiometer is probably good, and
the
> > motor is receiving power.
> >
> > I've removed the small nameplate on the side, and there is no water
> > inside, and I can see the ball bears; there doesn't appear to be any
> > rust inside. I also removed the terminal assembly in case one of
the
> > wire had come loose, or had a cold solder joint, but I didn't find
any
> > problems there. Looking at the diagram of the rotor, there appears
to
> > only be a small 24 volt motor which turns this; along with numerous
> > mechanical parts.
> >
> > So the question is. Before I send this to Yaesu, has anyone had
this
> > problem before, is it a minor one (something that I could fix
myself),
> > or is best left to Yaesu? Before anyone mentions, Norm's no longer
> > services these rotors. The four 'screws' that hold the two parts
are
> > impossible for me to loosen. I would have to use a vice, but I do
> > have a friend with a motorcycle repair business who I'm sure could
> > open it for me in 60 seconds. To me, this looks like a jigsaw
puzzle
> > by looking at the diagram.
> >
> > The rotor was in service for about a couple of years back in the
early
> > 90s. It then sat inside without any use, up until a few months ago.
> > If the consensus is to send it to Yaesu, should I bother to send in
> > the azimuthal rotor, or should I follow the "don't fix it if it aint
> > broken" rule?
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sangat Singh
> > 53, Jln. Perdana
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> > 50480 Kuala Lumpur (MALAYSIA)
> > Mobile: +60122838873
> > Office: +60322787388
> > FAX: +60322738873
> > Skype ID: sukhija
>
> --
> Roy
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:50:38 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese bird
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DF6F8E.1050109(AT)ngunn.net>
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OBJECT A
1 33386U 08047A 08272.03157407 .00058856 00000-0 31878-3 0 148
2 33386 042.4039 178.9535 0005455 281.7900 281.1499 15.79165297 399
OBJECT B
1 33387U 08047B 08272.10851979 .00331787 82862-5 24665-3 0 157
2 33387 042.4056 177.9288 0091371 143.1653 350.9410 16.05709766 417
OBJECT C
1 33388U 08047C 08272.07164448 .05965914 79757-5 35793-2 0 165
2 33388 042.5635 178.2286 0132890 157.6146 335.5968 16.00603714 400
OBJECT D
1 33389U 08047D 08272.07101250 .05057167 78671-5 33535-2 0 155
2 33389 042.5304 178.4131 0159115 161.3630 282.7272 15.94264673 404
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> OBJECT A
> 1 33386U 08047A 08270.86681241 +.00006639 +00000-0 +38759-4 0 00110
> 2 33386 042.4032 186.1321 0005349 274.8121 138.3688 15.79033427000219
> OBJECT B
> 1 33387U 08047B 08271.52535880 .00338329 82876-5 25603-3 0 137
> 2 33387 042.4057 181.6668 0092304 138.7422 220.4247 16.05330553 315
> OBJECT C
> 1 33388U 08047C 08271.81185072 .04662115 79977-5 29867-2 0 145
> 2 33388 042.5660 179.8746 0146387 155.4013 280.3695 15.97212014 364
> OBJECT D
> 1 33389U 08047D 08271.81719943 .04217493 78797-5 28598-2 0 139
> 2 33389 042.5336 180.0025 0171279 159.4172 267.2907 15.91528416 367
>
>
> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>> OBJECT A
>> 1 33386U 08047A 08271.23698171 -.00000012 00000-0 00000+0 0 148
>> 2 33386 042.4022 183.8535 0005302 277.7711 082.3069 15.79028945 271
>> OBJECT B
>> 1 33387U 08047B 08270.85410193 .00235864 82914-5 18380-3 0 93
>> 2 33387 042.4052 185.9676 0093288 133.5629 301.8137 16.04840629 210
>> OBJECT C
>> 1 33388U 08047C 08270.87132440 .03977342 79208-5 33572-2 0 90
>> 2 33388 042.5672 185.7814 0174089 148.4949 287.3027 15.88486018 216
>> OBJECT D
>> 1 33389U 08047D 08270.87631317 .03720308 78109-5 31413-2 0 86
>> 2 33389 042.5345 185.8690 0197556 152.6409 289.9087 15.83619080 215
>>
>>
>> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>> OBJECT A
>>> 1 33386U 08047A 08270.86681241 .00006639 00000-0 38759-4 0 109
>>> 2 33386 042.4032 186.1321 0005349 274.8121 138.3688 15.79033427 219
>>> OBJECT B
>>> 1 33387U 08047B 08270.85410193 .00235864 82914-5 18380-3 0 93
>>> 2 33387 042.4052 185.9676 0093288 133.5629 301.8137 16.04840629 210
>>> OBJECT C
>>> 1 33388U 08047C 08270.87132440 .03977342 79208-5 33572-2 0 90
>>> 2 33388 042.5672 185.7814 0174089 148.4949 287.3027 15.88486018 216
>>> OBJECT D
>>> 1 33389U 08047D 08270.87631317 .03720308 78109-5 31413-2 0 86
>>> 2 33389 042.5345 185.8690 0197556 152.6409 289.9087 15.83619080 215
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>> Nobody going to disprove my suggeated keps?
>>>>
>>>> I suggest Object B might be carrying the men on the assumption that
>>>> they would put it furthest from the debris items for safety.
>>>>
>>>> OBJECT A
>>>> 1 33386U 08047A 08270.68174498 -.00000905 00000-0 -22590-5 0 97
>>>> 2 33386 042.4032 187.2728 0005325 272.1577 167.6660 15.79022331 185
>>>> OBJECT B
>>>> 1 33387U 08047B 08270.56157778 .00436439 82806-5 34016-3 0 71
>>>> 2 33387 042.3979 187.8422 0093811 131.4805 051.7398 16.04686875 167
>>>> OBJECT C
>>>> 1 33388U 08047C 08270.68292241 .03975689 79036-5 35116-2 0 81
>>>> 2 33388 042.5675 186.9542 0178822 147.1161 290.4471 15.86989279 180
>>>> OBJECT D
>>>> 1 33389U 08047D 08270.68651225 .03790603 77941-5 32983-2 0 75
>>>> 2 33389 042.5365 187.0379 0202443 151.1578 288.4668 15.82251603 185
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>>> OBJECT A
>>>>> 1 33386U 08047A 08270.18946997 -.00000490 00000-0 00000+0 0 64
>>>>> 2 33386 042.4031 190.3062 0005331 265.6039 252.3510 15.79021965 107
>>>>> OBJECT B
>>>>> 1 33387U 08047B 08270.13042824 -.00002624 82992-5 00000+0 0 40
>>>>> 2 33387 042.4069 190.5965 0095007 128.7569 080.7968 16.04298148 95
>>>>> OBJECT C
>>>>> 1 33388U 08047C 08270.25198260 -.00002549 80695-5 00000+0 0 66
>>>>> 2 33388 042.5811 189.6118 0191957 145.1394 349.9743 15.83071972 115
>>>>> OBJECT D
>>>>> 1 33389U 08047D 08270.25408649 -.00002516 79670-5 00000+0 0 56
>>>>> 2 33389 042.5439 189.6986 0215742 148.6792 347.2751 15.78503425 111
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
>>>>>> Try one of these:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:01:39 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese bird
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DF7223.9060505(AT)ngunn.net>
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We have 3 new objects this morning.
One will be the satellite they threw out, one might be the re-entry module,
any guesses on the third?
OBJECT A
1 33386U 08047A 08272.03157407 .00058856 00000-0 31878-3 0 148
2 33386 042.4039 178.9535 0005455 281.7900 281.1499 15.79165297 399
OBJECT B
1 33387U 08047B 08272.10851979 .00331787 82862-5 24665-3 0 157
2 33387 042.4056 177.9288 0091371 143.1653 350.9410 16.05709766 417
OBJECT C
1 33388U 08047C 08272.07164448 .05965914 79757-5 35793-2 0 165
2 33388 042.5635 178.2286 0132890 157.6146 335.5968 16.00603714 400
OBJECT D
1 33389U 08047D 08272.07101250 .05057167 78671-5 33535-2 0 155
2 33389 042.5304 178.4131 0159115 161.3630 282.7272 15.94264673 404
OBJECT E
1 33390U 08047E 08271.83351942 .03191372 77247-5 31858-2 0 20
2 33390 042.2872 180.6102 0210917 131.7480 299.3868 15.78884219 117
OBJECT F
1 33391U 08047F 08271.18885239 .02670637 76465-5 30734-2 0 17
2 33391 042.2455 184.6779 0229104 130.3664 231.7368 15.73363832 07
OBJECT G
1 33392U 08047G 08272.01633316 -.00014617 00000-0 -78040-4 0 31
2 33392 042.3990 179.0456 0007088 284.9410 190.4454 15.78718137 63
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:22:00 -0400
From: "Tim Tapio" <tim(AT)timtapio.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Telemetry
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <004201c92164$cf57be10$6e073a30$(AT)com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello all!
Two questions on telemetry..
1. I was considering dedicating a 70 cm "eggbeater" with a preamp as a
good, omni-directional antenna. So far though, it doesn't seem to pick up
below 12 degree elevations. Currently the preamp is in the shack (I know, at
the antenna) and my coax is not optimum. If I use heliax, put the preamp at
the antenna, is this feasible or should I plan on a steerable beam?
2. I'm having a dickens of a time figuring out what the telemetry
frequencies are. I've looked at DK3WN's site which has the decoding software
but I seem to be having issues finding frequencies, am I looking in the
wrong places?
Thanks for your time!
73 de Tim, K4SHF FM04
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:49:19 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese bird
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DF7D4F.5030805(AT)ngunn.net>
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I will summise that:
Object B was the original crew/payload module.
Object B then split into 3 induvidual parts to become Object F, the re-entry
module and Objects B and E are the propulsion module and crew module.
Object G is the satellite they ejected.
Objects A, C abd D are the rocket body and shields.
Diagram of the spacecraft here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7640301.stm
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> We have 3 new objects this morning.
> One will be the satellite they threw out, one might be the re-entry
> module, any guesses on the third?
>
> OBJECT A
> 1 33386U 08047A 08272.03157407 .00058856 00000-0 31878-3 0 148
> 2 33386 042.4039 178.9535 0005455 281.7900 281.1499 15.79165297 399
> OBJECT B
> 1 33387U 08047B 08272.10851979 .00331787 82862-5 24665-3 0 157
> 2 33387 042.4056 177.9288 0091371 143.1653 350.9410 16.05709766 417
> OBJECT C
> 1 33388U 08047C 08272.07164448 .05965914 79757-5 35793-2 0 165
> 2 33388 042.5635 178.2286 0132890 157.6146 335.5968 16.00603714 400
> OBJECT D
> 1 33389U 08047D 08272.07101250 .05057167 78671-5 33535-2 0 155
> 2 33389 042.5304 178.4131 0159115 161.3630 282.7272 15.94264673 404
> OBJECT E
> 1 33390U 08047E 08271.83351942 .03191372 77247-5 31858-2 0 20
> 2 33390 042.2872 180.6102 0210917 131.7480 299.3868 15.78884219 117
> OBJECT F
> 1 33391U 08047F 08271.18885239 .02670637 76465-5 30734-2 0 17
> 2 33391 042.2455 184.6779 0229104 130.3664 231.7368 15.73363832 07
> OBJECT G
> 1 33392U 08047G 08272.01633316 -.00014617 00000-0 -78040-4 0 31
> 2 33392 042.3990 179.0456 0007088 284.9410 190.4454 15.78718137 63
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:11:37 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel(AT)ngunn.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Chinese bird
To: nigel(AT)ngunn.net
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <48DF8289.3070800(AT)ngunn.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote:
> I will summise that:
> Object B was the original crew/payload module.
> Object B then split into 3 induvidual parts to become Object F, the
> re-entry module and Objects B and E are the propulsion module and crew
> module.
> Object G is the satellite they ejected.
> Objects A, C abd D are the rocket body and shields.
>
> Diagram of the spacecraft here:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7640301.stm
>
OBJECT A
1 33386U 08047A 08272.15013951 .00054573 00000-0 29582-3 0 158
2 33386 042.4044 178.2230 0005368 282.1563 235.6774 15.79173201 410
OBJECT B
1 33387U 08047B 08272.16951968 .00327953 82862-5 24351-3 0 165
2 33387 042.4059 177.5399 0091257 143.6493 343.5235 16.05744722 424
OBJECT C
1 33388U 08047C 08272.17342119 .06092444 79886-5 34811-2 0 173
2 33388 042.5636 177.5826 0129090 158.4658 202.1979 16.01883401 425
OBJECT D
1 33389U 08047D 08272.20443186 .05125418 78832-5 32475-2 0 164
2 33389 042.5303 177.5714 0154719 162.3890 328.7653 15.95657293 425
OBJECT E
1 33390U 08047E 08272.09102851 .03224960 77331-5 30760-2 0 38
2 33390 042.2824 179.0310 0205276 133.9838 323.5950 15.80599614 151
OBJECT F
1 33391U 08047F 08272.16573425 .02824282 76802-5 27876-2 0 23
2 33391 042.2418 178.6899 0210798 137.8851 014.7122 15.79041458 168
OBJECT G
1 33392U 08047G 08272.14808939 .00006963 00000-0 41046-4 0 40
2 33392 042.4041 178.2403 0007017 285.1879 219.9725 15.78732015 89
--
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Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel(AT)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS,
ALC
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:46:33 -0600
From: Mark Ku7z <ku7zdn41(AT)gmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: GO-32 off???
To: Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt(AT)asahi-net.or.jp>, AMSAT-BB(AT)amsat.org
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Nothing here either at 1645 utc. Usually get headers if its reloading.
Mark, Ku7z
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Mineo Wakita wrote:
> Nothing heard at 09:30UTC 28Sep2008 over Japan.
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> JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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