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Today's Topics:
1. ARISS images (John Marranca, Jr)
2. Re: ARISS images (Curt Nixon)
3. ISS SSTV image suprice afterwards from MMSSTV. (Cor)
4. Re: Ciceronyv IMAGEN DE AO-51 OCT 12 / COPIADA ORBITA 22536
(Angelo Glorioso (n5uxt))
5. CW on the satellites (Frank A Cahoy)
6. Re: DX on satellites (Andrew Glasbrenner)
7. Re: DX on satellites (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
8. Re: DX on satellites (JoAnne Maenpaa)
9. ISS downlink for SSTV (Michael Tondee)
10. AO-51 SIGNAL? (Doug Kuitula)
11. Re: ISS downlink for SSTV (MM)
12. Re: CW on the satellites (Garie Halstead K8KFJ)
13. Jules Verne Re-entry Video (Clint Bradford)
14. Re: ISS downlink for SSTV (Alan P. Biddle)
15. Re: CW on the satellites (Jim Danehy)
16. Re: ARISS images (Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ)
17. Re: ARISS images (MM)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:50:22 -0400
From: "John Marranca, Jr" <KB2HSH(AT)amsat.org>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARISS images
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Good Afternoon, all.
What fun receiving the images from the ISS! At the start of the 1819z pass,
there was a short DTMF burst that was so loud that I though one of the
locals was doing it. After hearing "RS0ISS" in CW, I received the images!
The strength of the signals reminded me of what U5MIR sounded like in the
90's.
Thanks to the ARISS team for putting this together.
73 de John KB2HSH
--
_______________________________
John Marranca, Jr
PBX Technician/Shop Steward CWA Local 1122
BN Systems, Inc
Orchard Park, NY
(716)972-2006
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:20:25 -0400
From: Curt Nixon <cptcurt(AT)flash.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISS images
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48F28639.5050901(AT)flash.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Yes..that is what happened here in Michigan...1st half of the 18:13 UTC
pass was silent, then the CW intro and it about blew me out of my
chair..dont recall hearing sigs that strong from ISS recently. Got the
first two pix very clearly.. one in Robot36 the second in Martinn1. I
only got about 1/8 of the last one as ISS was setting.
And all on a J pole at 10' to a TM241. Couldn't get any simpler or
cheaper.
What a great time! Cant wait for more.
Curt
KU8L
EN82hi
John Marranca, Jr wrote:
> Good Afternoon, all.
>
> What fun receiving the images from the ISS! At the start of the 1819z pass,
> there was a short DTMF burst that was so loud that I though one of the
> locals was doing it. After hearing "RS0ISS" in CW, I received the images!
>
> The strength of the signals reminded me of what U5MIR sounded like in the
> 90's.
>
> Thanks to the ARISS team for putting this together.
>
> 73 de John KB2HSH
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:27:12 +0200
From: "Cor" <spacecor(AT)hetnet.nl>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV image suprice afterwards from MMSSTV.
To: "David Johnson" <dave(AT)g4dpz.me.uk>, <ariss-sstv(AT)amsat.org>, "AMSAT
BB" <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000401c92cc2$0e2b5c10$6401a8c0(AT)HOOFDCOMPUTER>
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reply-type=original
Hello All,
I just wanted to close the laptop (upstairs) and go to sleep and
I discovered an unexpected suprice afterwards.
During the ISS SSTV pass at 16:56UTC pass I had 2 SSTV software programs
running (MMSSTV and HRD DM780).
HRD DM780 window was opened and MMSSTV window
was minimized to the taskbar.
Just few moments before I wanted to shutt off the laptop I maximized
the MMSSTV window and saw a much better ISS SSTV image.
http://iss.ontwikkel.nl/ISSTV/12Oct2008_1656UTC_ISS_orbit_56702b.jpg
I still do not know why there is so much difference between the 2 images.
The signal from ISS was very clear and I could not understand why the
distortion came on the image (looking at HRD DM780).
Maybe HRD DM780 catched the audio from my internal laptop mic.
I asume DM780 works well and I had a little mistake in the settings.
I will look at it tommorow.
73's Cor PD0RKC
Ham Radio De Luxe: http://iss.ontwikkel.nl
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:06:31 -0500
From: "Angelo Glorioso \(n5uxt\)" <n5uxt(AT)hotmail.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Ciceronyv IMAGEN DE AO-51 OCT 12 / COPIADA
ORBITA 22536
To: <yv5mm(AT)yahoo.com>
Cc: AMSATBBS <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <BAY138-DS40BD0E769418FE7B36927ED360(AT)phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Manuel,
QSL the SSTV Pic. This is the best pic yet..
Thanks
73 de Angelo
From: YV5MM MANUEL MOSQUERA RAMIREZ
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:58 PM
To: n5uxt(AT)hotmail.com
Subject: Fw: Ciceronyv IMAGEN DE AO-51 OCT 12 / COPIADA ORBITA 22536
ANGELO CONFIRMING RECEPTION OF PICTURE IN ANACO, VENEZUELA FJ79SK -
KENWOOD TS 2000 X ANTENNA 5 ELEMENT ELK 5.- NICE RECEPTION... MANUEL
YV5MM. PLEASE ANSWER. 73
Manuel Mosquera Ram?rez YV5MM
Apartado Postal N? 88
yv5mm(AT)yahoo.com yv5mm(AT)hotmail.com
ANACO 6003, ANZOATEGUI, VENEZUELA
--- On Sun, 10/12/08, YV5MM MANUEL MOSQUERA RAMIREZ <yv5mm(AT)yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: YV5MM MANUEL MOSQUERA RAMIREZ <yv5mm(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: Ciceronyv IMAGEN DE AO-51 OCT 12 / COPIADA ORBITA 22536
To: "GRUPO CICERON YV" <ciceronyv(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "GRUPO YV5MM" <YV5MMGROUP(AT)yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 8:50 PM
POR FIN ESTA NOCHE ORBITA 22536 RX EN 435.294,60 73 DE MANUEL
YV5MM
Manuel Mosquera Ram?rez YV5MM
Apartado Postal N? 88
yv5mm(AT)yahoo.com yv5mm(AT)hotmail. com
ANACO 6003, ANZOATEGUI, VENEZUELA
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:38:11 -0600
From: Frank A Cahoy <k0blt(AT)juno.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] CW on the satellites
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
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Hello Jim and other CW addicts,
I too, have been a CW junkie all of my ham radio years. I was first
licensed in June of 1960. I can't claim being a total CW operator but
that is certainly my operating mode of choice. I did a quick scan of my
last five log pages. (I keep a hard copy but I also enter my QSOs into
log-EQF so I have a double logging system.) I found only 10 fone
contacts out of about 125 total Qs. When we had AO-40 up and running
quite well I gave up on HF and devoted all my efforts to chasing DX on
that bird. I did actually make nearly 1000 Qs but I will sadly admit
that about 90% of them were on fone. It's not that I wanted to work fone
but there was very, very little everyday CW operation on the bird.
Several expeditions made good use of their time by operating both CW and
SSB. Since I was chasing hard for satellite DXCC I worked whatever DX I
could hear on whatever mode they were using. My first satellite QSOs
were via RS-12 and they were on CW! My first QSOs on AO-10 and AO-13
were also on CW. (Wish I could have been interested in the birds when 13
was in it's prime.) I too, operate , just for the fun of it, in some DX
contests but generally have much more fun doing the CW versions. I often
wonder if those high speed contesters I work can really copy as fast as
they send. I can because I still log on paper first and then e-log
later. I too, work Field Day whenever possible but make the stipulation
that I get to do the CW operating. No one has ever challenged me for
that.
Jim, I too am 70 years old and I'm seriously wondering if I'll live long
enough to see another HEO bird in orbit. At the current rate of putting
such birds into orbit the chances of my living long enough to chase DX on
a satellite again seem, as the saying goes, slim and none!! I love
chasing DX but the challenge of doing it via ordinary HF is certainly
less satisfying than working Cocos Keeling Island with less than five
degrees of elevation at both ends and doing so through a hole in an Elm
tree across the street from my satellite antennas.
BTW, I need only North Korea to have them all on HF but I have only about
120 worked via satellite so the challenge remains for me via satellite
but without an HEO bird it's only a vague dream.
I favor, at the moment, 30 meters only because there is no fone allowed
on this band. I hear quite a few 'struggling" CW operators there but I
have to give them due credit for trying. I don't currently operate 40
meters but I too have often called CQ on 30 without any answer
whatsoever.
Interest in CW is waning and doing so at a fast pace. Jim, let me know
if you'd like a sked for a CW QSO. Seems we have much in common. Please
promise not to send faster than 25/30 WPM. That's OK in a contest or for
a DXpedition but 20 WPM makes for a much more enjoyable rag chew!!
Long live CW both on HF and satellite but us old "die hards" can't
continue for much longer. Admittedly, we need help. Right, Jim?
73 to all. Frank, K?BLT
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:34:05 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner(AT)mindspring.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DX on satellites
To: <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <B4196CABBFDB46A28DF3E2F33C8DC7AE(AT)Andrewlaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
VP2EAG, FS/KO4MA, and KG4MA were all very well received on satellite! It's a
hoot to be on the other end of a pile up, and well worth the hassle of
taking the radios, and getting the license.
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garie Halstead K8KFJ" <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:04 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DX on satellites
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Jim Danehy <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Every year I see many DXpeditions to various spots in
> > the Caribbean for contest activity. It would be great
> > if these groups would get on the satellites and spice
> > up the birds
>
> N1JEZ sure sparked some interest when he put FP/N1JEZ on the air in July
> of 2000 giving out many Saint Pierre/Miquelon contacts. Beautiful card
> too with an aerial shot in color of the QTH. I'm sure there's been other
> satellite DXpeditions since that time during my period of inactivity on
> the sats.
>
> 73, Gary -K8KFJ-
> West Virginia <EM98>
> AMSAT #32574
> Sat VUCC #125
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:27:26 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb(AT)wd9ewk.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DX on satellites
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID:
<2e18ad3e0810121827l4962e700ve5fb064a305a173d(AT)mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi!
> VP2EAG, FS/KO4MA, and KG4MA were all very well received on satellite! It's a
> hoot to be on the other end of a pile up, and well worth the hassle of
> taking the radios, and getting the license.
Yes, Drew, it is fun to be on the receiving end of the pileup. I have not
done this on satellite from other countries (yet), but on HF I've done it
a few times from Argentina, Canada, and Mexico in the past few years.
Now that the satellite "bug" has bitten me and it's a terminal case, I will
make sure that I include satellite operating when I travel.
Next month, I will be in Vancouver BC for a few days. I will only take a
couple of HTs and portable antennas with me, and operate from around
the city (CN89) and possibly at Whistler (CO80) on the FM birds as
CJ7EWK - replacing my normal VA7 prefix with a special prefix that
Canadian hams are permitted to use during this month and November.
Other future trips... I used to frequently visit Mexico and get the XE radio
permits for those trips. The process was a hassle, having to pay around
US$ 100 to US$ 125 for a 6-month permit. Having the legal paperwork
when in Mexico with radios was a good thing, despite the cost and the
hassles, as not having it might cost a lot more in the end. I don't know
how the current struggles between different drug cartels and the Mexican
Army will turn out, but I hope to return to operating from there in the not-
too-distant future as XE2/WD9EWK via HF and now satellite.
For satellites, it looks like there are some very desireable grids inside
Mexico not far from the USA border for satellite operators. I've seen the
lists of some long-time ops and web sites like the one WI7P (ex-N7SFI)
has, to get some idea of which Mexican grids would be in demand via
satellite. I am not limiting myself to just those grids near the border, as
I might expand my travels further into Mexico in 2009. We'll see...
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:33:34 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm(AT)comcast.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DX on satellites
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c92cd3$b6126430$22372c90$(AT)net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> VP2EAG, FS/KO4MA, and KG4MA were all very well received on satellite! It's
a
> hoot to be on the other end of a pile up, and well worth the hassle of
> taking the radios, and getting the license.
For the next several days here are some Satellite DX opportunities that have
crossed the ANS Editor desk ...
+ Dave, G1OCN hopes to be using the call sign G1OCN/VP9 while on
holiday in Bermuda from Monday 1October 13 to Sunday October 19.
His equipment will be a Kenwood THD7G with an Arrow antenna, so he
will be operating V/U FM, on those available satellites.
+ Paul, 2E1EUB will be active on all birds from Scotland with the
callsign 2M1EUB. He plans to operate from October 11 - 21.
+ Joe K3SZH reports working EA8HB, G1WPR, PA1TNO, G7NFO, ON7EQ and
K8YSE on FO-29.
+ Congratulations to Mika, OH8MBN on AO7 on his 2000th contact via
AO-7.
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm(AT)amsat.org
Editor, AMSAT News Service
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:46:47 -0400
From: "Michael Tondee" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS downlink for SSTV
To: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <93F63EBA1B1A4592AC2844CBE407248A(AT)w4hij1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Somehow I missed what the downlink frequency is for ISS SSTV and haven't found
the info yet. Can someone fill me in?
Tnx and 73,
Michael W4HIJ
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:11:26 -0400
From: "Doug Kuitula" <ka8qcu(AT)pasty.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 SIGNAL?
To: <amsat-bb(AT)AMSAT.Org>
Message-ID: <001201c92cd9$02b96680$baf66742(AT)net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi All,
I've been noticing that when AO-51 passes me, I have a much harder time
receiving a decent signal from it. It does not matter what type of antenna I
have ( beam or vertical). But it's much tougher copying a voice signal after
the bird passes . I'm doing the doppler shift, but it's still quite hard. Am
I doing something wrong?
73 de Doug ka8qcu
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: MM <ka1rrw(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS downlink for SSTV
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, Michael Tondee <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
Message-ID: <739559.87845.qm(AT)web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
http://www.marexmg.org/fileshtml/howtoisssstv.html
145.800 FM
--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Michael Tondee <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com> wrote:
> From: Michael Tondee <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS downlink for SSTV
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 9:46 PM
> Somehow I missed what the downlink frequency is for ISS SSTV
> and haven't found the info yet. Can someone fill me in?
> Tnx and 73,
> Michael W4HIJ
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Garie Halstead K8KFJ <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CW on the satellites
To: Jim Danehy <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <798487.77976.qm(AT)web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Jim Danehy <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> K8KFJ wrote that he disagreed with my statement that
> there is not a great deal of interest in CW on the HF
> bands
Jim .. was not my email to you sent privately? If so, I expected your reply
to be private as well. If not, my apology to the list. I did not want to put
the AMSAT-BB list through our obvious disagreement on the CW question.
73, Gary -K8KFJ-
AMSAT #32574
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:39 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d(AT)earthlink.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Jules Verne Re-entry Video
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <DF03DBFC-5C80-4DDA-B6FF-C78163123F8F(AT)earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
NASA shot a hi-res video of Jules Verne re-entering the atmosphere...
http://web.me.com/clintbradford/Site/Blog/Blog.html
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:53:50 -0500
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE(AT)UNITED.NET>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS downlink for SSTV
To: "'Michael Tondee'" <mat_62(AT)netcommander.com>, <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Message-ID: <8B5818D4400341DF8B017209B0BE91E2(AT)WA4SCA>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Michael,
145.8000 MHz.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:45:39 -0400
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CW on the satellites
To: <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
Cc: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <7955CFFEB49B4134B82FD97097276543(AT)JamesPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Gary
Unfortunately my response should have been private. However I see no harm.
You apparently do.
Jim W9VNE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garie Halstead K8KFJ" <khyberpass65(AT)yahoo.com>
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com>
Cc: <amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] CW on the satellites
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Jim Danehy <jdanehy(AT)cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > K8KFJ wrote that he disagreed with my statement that
> > there is not a great deal of interest in CW on the HF
> > bands
>
> Jim .. was not my email to you sent privately? If so, I expected your
> reply to be private as well. If not, my apology to the list. I did not
> want to put the AMSAT-BB list through our obvious disagreement on the CW
> question.
>
> 73, Gary -K8KFJ-
> AMSAT #32574
>
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:17:54 +0100
From: Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ <gordonjcp(AT)gjcp.net>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISS images
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
Message-ID: <48F35892.7060206(AT)gjcp.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote:
> Maybe I'm doing it wrong, or maybe they're not transmitting over the UK.
> I didn't hear *anything* with either a J-pole, homebrew 3-ele Yagi or
> 6-ele quad on the pass at 14:06UTC...
>
> Gordon
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 07:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: MM <ka1rrw(AT)yahoo.com>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISS images
To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ <gordonjcp(AT)gjcp.net>
Message-ID: <70010.72679.qm(AT)web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
The crew is only running the SSTV project in their Off time.
Tuesday is a Docking day, so all non essential radio projects will be turned
off.
Until we have completed all basic testing, the system should not be left
running unattended.
Maybe we will see images again late monday on Wednesday.
www.marexmg.org
Miles
--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ <gordonjcp(AT)gjcp.net> wrote:
> From: Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ <gordonjcp(AT)gjcp.net>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ARISS images
> To: amsat-bb(AT)amsat.org
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:17 AM
> Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote:
> > Maybe I'm doing it wrong, or maybe they're not
> transmitting over the UK.
> > I didn't hear *anything* with either a J-pole,
> homebrew 3-ele Yagi or
> > 6-ele quad on the pass at 14:06UTC...
> >
> > Gordon
> >
>
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