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Today's Topics:
1. ao51 ssb/fm mode (Henk, PA3GUO)
2. Fw: Special Event - 11-1-08 (Peter)
3. Newbie question about AO-07 (Mark Lunday, WD4ELG)
4. Re: Newbie question about AO-07 (Auke de Jong)
5. spaceflight(launch) question (Auke de Jong, VE6PWN)
6. Re: Newbie question about AO-07 (Dave Guimont)
7. DM23 on AO-16 and AO-51 (1-2 November)
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
8. Re: Newbie question about AO-07 (w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxxx
9. Re: spaceflight(launch) question (w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: spaceflight(launch) question (G0MRF@xxx.xxxx
11. Re: spaceflight(launch) question (Alexandru Csete)
12. FO-29 (k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
13. FO-29 (k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
14. Old video from southgate (Diane Bruce)
15. Operational Amateur Satellites (Paul)
16. Re: Operational Amateur Satellites (Andrew Glasbrenner)
17. Re: Operational Amateur Satellites (Auke de Jong, VE6PWN)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:49:02 +0100 (CET)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ao51 ssb/fm mode
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <1090.212.61.85.20.1225486142.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
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Dear AO51 team,
The SSB/FM mode is again interesting and works fine.
Only very few stations last night over Europe.
Henk, PA3GUO
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:18:15 -0500
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Fw: Special Event - 11-1-08
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <008d01c93bb7$c0aeb9a0$6901a8c0@xxxxx>
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> Hi All,
>
> We will be operating hand held from the Fire Island Light House, FN30,
> tomorrow on the FM Satellites. If you contact us, the sponsoring club
> GSBARC will send you a beautiful certificate, with a picture of the Fire
> Island Lighthouse. So when you hear W2GSB/LH give us a call; who knows,
we
> might apply for a new Lighthouse award.
>
> Nov 1, 1200Z-2100Z, Fire Island, NY. Great South Bay Amateur Radio Club,
> W2GSB/LH. Celebrating the 150th year of the Fire Island Lighthouse. SSB
> 14.260 7.250 3.755 CW 14.040 7.030 3.530 PSK 14.070. QSL. W2GSB/LH, PO Box
1356, West Babylon, NY 11704. www.gsbarc.org SASE #10 envelope
>
> 73, and Happy Halloween!
> Pete, WB2OQQ
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:04:56 -0400
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie question about AO-07
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001301c93bbd$db5d6ac0$92184040$@xx.xxx>
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For some reason, I cannot seem to find info which indicates the mode for the
pass...mode A or B. I usually figure it out after listening on 145 downlink
and not hearing anything then going to the 29 MHz downlink. Once, I even
heard my downlink on 29.45 MHz at the start of the pass only to hear it
stop. Was not sure what happened until I started tuning around and
discovered the bird had SWITCHED from mode A to mode B in the middle of the
pass! So my question is...other than trial and error or listening for the
beacons (which won't help if the bird switches during the pass), is there
any pattern or location of information for the prediction of the mode?
Thanks, as I am thrilled each time I can get through this oldie-but-goodie
with 5 watts on CW. What a blast!
An additional question since the batteries have long ceased to function on
AO-7, it only works during sunlight passes. Somebody mentioned that this
will happen less and less as we get close to winter solstice. Is this
because AO7 is in a northerly LEO orbit? If it passes in the southern
hemisphere, would it not have MORE available online time? I see
http://planetemily.com/ao7/Eclipse.php but it's not a predictor for November
2008 (and I am not sure I understand it anyway). Should I just set
Orbitron/HRD for AO7 "in sunlight/illumination" only option?
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:04:28 -0600
From: "Auke de Jong" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie question about AO-07
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <00ec01c93bce$8def45e0$6a00a8c0@xxxxxxx>
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AO-7 happens to be in "permenantly sun-lit" conditions. I believe this
current period to last fairly long, but I forget now just how much longer,
but I think it's on the order of months. AO-7 has a time counter that
controls the mode A/B toggle therfore, it will change modes every 24 hours
starting at whatever moment the last sun-rise for the spacecraft
was(sometime in early August), and always starting in mode-B.
You can look at the logs on http://www.planetemily.com/ao7/main.php , to
figure out what mode the satellite was most recently used. I just read the
log, and found that the A/B changeover time, these days, is approximately
20:55 UTC. It's likely that the last sunrise AO-7 experienced must have
been about 20:55 on Aug 5.
When not in continuous sunlight, it mostly stays in mode-B, never making it
the full 24 hours to switch, since the eclipse happens every orbit, or about
1 hour 55 min, for some portion of those orbits.
I'm always impressed when I think about the like-a-rock reliability this old
craft has shown! I look forward to perhaps a future craft being launched
that is built using the old-style analog hardware prevalent in this old
bird.. Something retro, maybe with the old hand-laid harnesses, a clever
battery-failsafe scheme, and a dose of enhanced-performance components, it
might just last forever!
73's
Auke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Newbie question about AO-07
> For some reason, I cannot seem to find info which indicates the mode for
> the
> pass...mode A or B. I usually figure it out after listening on 145
> downlink
> and not hearing anything then going to the 29 MHz downlink. Once, I even
> heard my downlink on 29.45 MHz at the start of the pass only to hear it
> stop. Was not sure what happened until I started tuning around and
> discovered the bird had SWITCHED from mode A to mode B in the middle of
> the
> pass! So my question is...other than trial and error or listening for the
> beacons (which won't help if the bird switches during the pass), is there
> any pattern or location of information for the prediction of the mode?
> Thanks, as I am thrilled each time I can get through this oldie-but-goodie
> with 5 watts on CW. What a blast!
>
> An additional question since the batteries have long ceased to function on
> AO-7, it only works during sunlight passes. Somebody mentioned that this
> will happen less and less as we get close to winter solstice. Is this
> because AO7 is in a northerly LEO orbit? If it passes in the southern
> hemisphere, would it not have MORE available online time? I see
> http://planetemily.com/ao7/Eclipse.php but it's not a predictor for
> November
> 2008 (and I am not sure I understand it anyway). Should I just set
> Orbitron/HRD for AO7 "in sunlight/illumination" only option?
>
> Mark Lunday
> WD4ELG
> wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
> http://wd4elg.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:11:04 -0600
From: "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] spaceflight(launch) question
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <00f301c93bcf$7a0189c0$6a00a8c0@xxxxxxx>
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I was wondering... An question just occured to me that I couldn't answer: If a
small satellite were hand-launched from the space station, and it contained an
ion-drive motor powered by electricity, would it ever be able to accelerate in
order to gain a higher orbit, or would that require an impracically large
power supply/engine? In other words, could that method be used to achieve
higher orbits with communication/ham class satellites without having to use
the typical large rocket we've been using all this time? Also, would there be
a cost-advantage to this method?
Auke de Jong
VE6PWN
DO33go
Edmonton, AB
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:41:27 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie question about AO-07
To: "Auke de Jong" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<20081101034129.BNEN479.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@xxxx.xxx.xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>I'm always impressed when I think about the like-a-rock reliability this old
>craft has shown! I look forward to perhaps a future craft being launched
>that is built using the old-style analog hardware prevalent in this old
>bird.. Something retro, maybe with the old hand-laid harnesses, a clever
>battery-failsafe scheme, and a dose of enhanced-performance components, it
>might just last forever!
Auke, you've hit it on the nose!! The recent generation of "amsat
generals" were obsessed or promoted by some ulterior motive other
than promoting "amateur satellite communications" under the guise of
education..and I suspect some ones finances were involved....I've
been in licensed for over 50 years, and we've kept it alive by demos,
discussions and education, not by some "go to the store and buy a
push button radio" to make it easy!! AO51 FM voice!! Waste of money...
We still see some justifying it under the guise of "education"... hog rot!!
When one promotes something similar to a cell phone operation, I
cannot imagine much intrigue??
The last convention sort of proves my point...One report I saw said
80 attendants. Perhpaps some one has an accurate accounting??
We used to have several hundred....
And we never had to promote NASA!! Seems like that should be the
other way around...Old ESA is the one to be thanked!!
I think the new board will change some things....
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DM23 on AO-16 and AO-51 (1-2 November)
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <443793.11673.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi!
I'm planning a quick road trip west of Phoenix to grid DM23 for
AO-16 passes on Saturday (1 November) afternoon and the AO-51
pass around 0124 UTC Sunday (2 November - Saturday evening for
North America). This grid covers parts of western Arizona and
southeastern California; my plan is to be on from somewhere on
the Arizona side of the Colorado River in La Paz County, but I
could end up on the California side in Riverside County. DM23
would be the 20th different grid I have operated from via
satellite in 2008.
Although I have been working the AO-51 SSB/FM cross-mode repeater
the last 2 evenings and enjoying that challenge, I plan on using
the normal 145.920/435.300 MHz FM repeater for the 0124 UTC. Due
to time constraints, I do not plan on being out there for the
western AO-51 pass later in the evening around 0304 UTC.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:53:18 +0000
From: w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Newbie question about AO-07
To: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<110120080553.7473.490BEECD000E161700001D3122120592140B9D04C999@xxxxxxx.
xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
Hello Mark et al
Ao7 will automatically switch modes about 2045 -2100 from what I can figure
out. Mode B is the most popular, a lot stronger downlink with less QSB. We
need some new "blood" on the bird. It has gotten so we can tell who is on
there just by the sound of their voice. Not that I dislike repeated
converstions. In fact one can actually have an actual converation where we
talk about more than, "you're 5/5 in CN87 Om". The "regulars" I have got to
know quite well, and enjoy it each time I hear them. We gripe about no and/or
a delayed HEO. From Seattle I can work Mika OH8MBN, granted not for very
long, but the challange is worth the effort. This workhorse of a satellite
has old/reliable tech. Perhaps we should emulate this concept in the future.
It's like an old Timex, "It takes a licking but keeps on ticking". I am
reminded of the KISS concept "keep is simple stupid". At the same time I am
90% ready for a HEO L/S. Look for me on AO-7. Where we can bs about "almost"
any
thing.
73 Bob W7LRD CN87wk
near Seattle
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"if this were easy, everyone would be doing it"
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
> For some reason, I cannot seem to find info which indicates the mode for the
> pass...mode A or B. I usually figure it out after listening on 145 downlink
> and not hearing anything then going to the 29 MHz downlink. Once, I even
> heard my downlink on 29.45 MHz at the start of the pass only to hear it
> stop. Was not sure what happened until I started tuning around and
> discovered the bird had SWITCHED from mode A to mode B in the middle of the
> pass! So my question is...other than trial and error or listening for the
> beacons (which won't help if the bird switches during the pass), is there
> any pattern or location of information for the prediction of the mode?
> Thanks, as I am thrilled each time I can get through this oldie-but-goodie
> with 5 watts on CW. What a blast!
>
> An additional question since the batteries have long ceased to function on
> AO-7, it only works during sunlight passes. Somebody mentioned that this
> will happen less and less as we get close to winter solstice. Is this
> because AO7 is in a northerly LEO orbit? If it passes in the southern
> hemisphere, would it not have MORE available online time? I see
> http://planetemily.com/ao7/Eclipse.php but it's not a predictor for November
> 2008 (and I am not sure I understand it anyway). Should I just set
> Orbitron/HRD for AO7 "in sunlight/illumination" only option?
>
> Mark Lunday
> WD4ELG
> wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
> http://wd4elg.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:55:03 +0000
From: w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: spaceflight(launch) question
To: "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>, "AMSAT-BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
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DITTO bob
W7LRD
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
> I was wondering... An question just occured to me that I couldn't answer: If
a
> small satellite were hand-launched from the space station, and it contained
an
> ion-drive motor powered by electricity, would it ever be able to accelerate
in
> order to gain a higher orbit, or would that require an impracically large
power
> supply/engine? In other words, could that method be used to achieve higher
> orbits with communication/ham class satellites without having to use the
typical
> large rocket we've been using all this time? Also, would there be a
> cost-advantage to this method?
>
>
> Auke de Jong
> VE6PWN
> DO33go
> Edmonton, AB
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 05:44:48 EDT
From: G0MRF@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: spaceflight(launch) question
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <c7b.4457c2ab.363d7f10@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi.
Nice thought.
As far as I am aware, Ion thrusters need a lot of DC power, although low
power (80W or so) have been developed.
But there are still two problems. One is the restrictions on propellent on
the ISS / shuttle. Even though Xenon gas is 'harmless' it still posses a
hazard
due to fuel tank pressure and a contamination risk if it leaks into the
habitable areas.
The other problem is the thrust developed by a small Ion drive is really
very small. Probably less than 10 milli Newtons. Given the drag on the solar
panels at 350km, it may be that the thrust is too little to overcome the
drag.
Pulsed plasma technology may be better as it only needs Teflon and DC power,
so no risk to crew.
But propulsion on a LEO as a concept has to be a winner.
Thanks
David G0MRF
In a message dated 01/11/2008 03:12:10 GMT Standard Time,
sparkycivic@xxxx.xx writes:
I was wondering... An question just occured to me that I couldn't answer: If
a small satellite were hand-launched from the space station, and it
contained an ion-drive motor powered by electricity, would it ever be able to
accelerate in order to gain a higher orbit, or would that require an
impracically
large power supply/engine? In other words, could that method be used to
achieve higher orbits with communication/ham class satellites without having
to
use the typical large rocket we've been using all this time? Also, would
there
be a cost-advantage to this method?
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:54:05 +0100
From: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: spaceflight(launch) question
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <1225533245.490c273d0c4d6@xxxxxx.xxxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Existing ion thrusters require many kW power to generate a few hundred mN
thrust, so it
would need very large solar panels :-(
73
Alex OZ9AEC
Quoting "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>:
> I was wondering... An question just occured to me that I couldn't answer: If
a small
> satellite were hand-launched from the space station, and it contained an
ion-drive
> motor powered by electricity, would it ever be able to accelerate in order
to gain a
> higher orbit, or would that require an impracically large power
supply/engine? In
> other words, could that method be used to achieve higher orbits with
communication/ham
> class satellites without having to use the typical large rocket we've been
using all
> this time? Also, would there be a cost-advantage to this method?
>
>
> Auke de Jong
> VE6PWN
> DO33go
> Edmonton, AB
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:07:29 GMT
From: "k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081101.060729.27156.0@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
What a group on FO-29. (12:47 utc)
Worked PA1TNO, EA8AYA, G7BTA, F4CTZ, N2UN, missed others sounded like 20M hi
hi.
Joe
Amsat 3788
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:26:41 GMT
From: "k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Missed a station on the log. DH5MK Mike a good friend , look at his set up in
the attic and he was 5/6 , not using a preamp on my new antenna yet. I think
i heard only two other US station ? what a shame.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:31:35 -0400
From: Diane Bruce <db@xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Old video from southgate
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081101143135.GA4658@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi,
This showed up on my RSS feed from southgate today:
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/november2008/satellite_for_all_amateurs.htm
It's a short article about phase 3 satellites, it is dated but
still quite interesting.
The direct youtube link is:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvx6ImOFDsA
- 73 Diane VA3DB
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:46:13 +0100
From: "Paul" <oe8pck@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Operational Amateur Satellites
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAK09hLqw71REr1ZMV+Ys2yrCgAAAEAAAANazh90yAjVMpiqz
dQlhtOABAAAAAA==@xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi,
I am still learning to work with satellites.
I am looking for an up to date list of operational amateur satellites with
the working frequencies etc.
I looked at one the Amsat page and the last update was 9th April 2006.
Can anyone tell me a site that is more recent.
73 and TNX de Paul OE8PCK
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:43:29 -0400
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Operational Amateur Satellites
To: "Paul" <oe8pck@xxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <98A4089E3AA149898C2646007718AD1E@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Ignore that date...it only applies to when the general form of the page was
updated, not the information within. Several of us update that page each
week.
The Weekly Satellite Report is emailed each week and is available by
subscribing at http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/ans
I also like to check http://oscar.dcarr.org/ for last minute reports.
Good Luck,
Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <oe8pck@xxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Operational Amateur Satellites
> Hi,
>
> I am still learning to work with satellites.
>
> I am looking for an up to date list of operational amateur satellites with
> the working frequencies etc.
>
> I looked at one the Amsat page and the last update was 9th April 2006.
>
> Can anyone tell me a site that is more recent.
>
> 73 and TNX de Paul OE8PCK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:59:21 -0600
From: "Auke de Jong, VE6PWN" <sparkycivic@xxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Operational Amateur Satellites
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <014501c93c32$6c528af0$6a00a8c0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul" <oe8pck@xxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:46 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Operational Amateur Satellites
> I looked at one the Amsat page and the last update was 9th April 2006.
I think that date on the page is false. The list is good lately.
Also try http://oscar.dcarr.org/
73
Auke
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