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Today's Topics:
1. ESA cubesat launch details (G0MRF@xxx.xxxx
2. Re: some additional comments on visual sighting (Jim Danehy)
3. Re: visual sighting of amateur satellites (Joe)
4. Packet Software (Mark)
5. Re: Neked-eye viewing (Luc Leblanc)
6. Re: Packet Software (Anthony Monteiro)
7. CO-65 earth photo #5 (Mineo Wakita)
8. Re: Visual sightings and IT (Doug Kuitula)
9. Re: Neked-eye viewing (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
10. D700 for ISS (Fred VE3FAL)
11. Re: D700 for ISS (Patrick Domack)
12. Re: D700 for ISS (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:31:51 EST
From: G0MRF@xxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ESA cubesat launch details
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Following the selection of 9 cubesats to be launched on the maiden flight of
the Vega launcher, ESA have now announced that the cubesats will be deployed
into a very interesting orbit measuring 350km x 1450km with an inclination of
71 degrees.
>From the ESA website
"The nine CubeSats will be deployed from three different deployment systems
mounted on the support structure of the main payload, LARES (LAser RElativity
Satellite), into an orbit of 350 km by 1450 km at an inclination of 71
degrees. The launch opportunity is offered by ESA to the selected CubeSats
free of
charge"
Further details are at:
_http://www.esa.int/esaED/SEMAYTRTKMF_index_0.html_
(http://www.esa.int/esaED/SEMAYTRTKMF_index_0.html)
Regards
David G0MRF (If only.........!!)
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:25:27 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: some additional comments on visual sighting
To: <captcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Curt
Yup ya got me but you knew what I meant to say . . . I guess we have become
used to that over the political season, listening to so much mis-statement .
. . mea culpa OM . . . being informed beats the alternative . . . ya
need astmosphere to see those little particles of sand from meteors . . .
comets are way out there in space where there is no atmosphere . . . they
are large too
TNX 73 Jim W9VNE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Nixon" <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] some additional comments on visual sighting
> Hi Jim:
>
> You are of course referring to Meteors not Comets. The
> gaseous/particulate clouds streaming from comets are visible millions of
> miles out when they get energy from the sun.
>
> Curt
> KU8L
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Danehy wrote:
>> the accepted opinion of astronomers is that you can see +6 magnitude
>> stars without the assistance of a telescope or binoculars . . . . if AO
>> 51 is +9 then it is virtually impossible to see it with the naked eye . .
>> .
>>
>> as for comets : well in order for comets to be seen those small particles
>> that you see must be within the Karman line . . . which is at 62 miles
>> (up) . . . the atmosphere pretty well ends at 75 to 80 miles up . . .
>> in order for those objects to be seen they must be within the atmosphere
>> where they "burn up" by friction against the "air" atmosphere (. . . AO
>> 51 is some 300 miles or 400 miles up and the ISS is 200 miles up . . .
>> the sun is - 27 and we all know the brightest thing out there for us
>> here on earth . . . . +6 for naked eye viewing . . . +9 is not visible
>>
>> Jim W9VNE
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:32:39 -0600
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: visual sighting of amateur satellites
To: Hilton Meyer <hmeyer@xxxxx.xxx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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It was a misconception, that people saw sputnik.
it has been proven that it was too small, and what people thought was
sputnik was actuality the booster that put it up there.
Hilton Meyer wrote:
>Hi Steve and Jim,
>I well remember seeing Sputnik pass over several times and listening to
>the beep, beep , beep from the beacon, which from memory was on around
>20MHz. Two ham friends and I sat on my shack roof to observe the passes,
>here in Napier, New Zealand.
>73
>Hilton ZL2MN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>STeve Andre' wrote:
>
>
>>On Wednesday 05 November 2008 21:59:59 Jim Danehy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have often seen the ISS in the evening sky. Its elevation is about 200
>>>miles up. It is a fairly large object measuring more than 310 feet
>>>wide and
>>>225 feet long. It is about 150 feet in height. It is too big to fit
>>>into a
>>>football field at 310' x 225'. It is quite the sight. A couple of
>>>weeks ago
>>>after I worked Richard I saw the ISS by stepping outside. It was a great
>>>dark morning and the ISS probably had the brightness on the solar
>>>scale of
>>>1. The sun is -27 and the brightest object for us on earth. The -27
>>>being
>>>the bright side ; as you go to a more positive number the object is
>>>dimmer.
>>>
>>>AO 51 is about 25 cm on a side. That is about the size of a sack of
>>>groceries. I do not know the exact height of AO 51 but I know it is
>>>higher
>>>than the ISS (200 miles). I think AO 51 is about 250 to 300 miles up.
>>>
>>>I believe it is impossible to get a visual sighting of something that
>>>small
>>>at that height. There are thousands of objects in orbit around our
>>>earth. A
>>>bag of groceries at 300 miles up would take more seeing ability than a
>>>human set of eyes can provide.
>>>
>>>Jim W9VNE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I've often wondered about this--I have no direct knowledge on this, but
>>what you say seems reasonable.
>>
>>Except that I'm pretty sure that US Air Force people saw Sputnik. Not
>>sure
>>how big it was compared to AO 51.
>>
>>The other factor here might be the sun--glinting in the sun, wouldn't
>>AO 51
>>be far more visable ?
>>
>>--STeve Andre'
>>wb8wsf en82
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:51:07 +1100
From: "Mark" <translunar@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Packet Software
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi All.
I'm hoping somebody may be able to advise me of an alternative "Windows"
packet program
that I can use on my laptop "with my BayCom modem" that doesn't use the AGW
packet engine.
My old 266 MHz Dell Latitude doesn't want to know about AGWPE. :-(
I use UISS and AGWPE on my other machine an I think that software is great.
Regards
Mark
VK3MJ
Geelong, Australia.
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Hello Ciaran,
You can use AGWpe as the soundcard modem. This site has an
excellent "How-To":
<http://kc2rlm.info/soundcardpacket/>
There is another application that works with AGWpe to simplify
APRS via ISS and that is UISS.
<http://users.belgacom.net/hamradio/uiss.htm>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:43:50 -0500
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Neked-eye viewing
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <49138136.14385.168FF58@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
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On 6 Nov 2008 at 15:23, n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
I recently picked up a pair of Nikon zoom binoculars (10x-25x x 50mm) for
wide-field viewing, and I'm going to try to "find" our FM LEO
satellites in the night sky with
them in the coming days and weeks. I will not see them from here with my
naked eye.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
AO-40 is much bigger and at perigee about +-1000KM if i remember correctly i
don't even believe you will be able to see it and when i say
"see it" i should better say swishing it as the closer you are the fastest he
will pass.
With all the rumours going around AO-40 couple of years ago. Nobody has never
been able to confirm if he is still in one piece or in pieces
there is surely a way with the proper equipment to confirm this? Visually or
by other mean... If a spy satellite is able to see a text in
the Pravda over the shoulder of someone, can they see on the other side! the
space one?
P.S.Could be we enter in some sort of Ham fiction HAMFI...
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:45:13 -0500
From: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Packet Software
To: "Mark" <translunar@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20081107114513.8B7BjDc00WVmE@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
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At 07:51 PM 11/6/2008, Mark wrote:
>Hi All.
>I'm hoping somebody may be able to advise me of an alternative
>"Windows" packet program
>that I can use on my laptop "with my BayCom modem" that doesn't use
>the AGW packet engine.
>
>My old 266 MHz Dell Latitude doesn't want to know about AGWPE. :-(
>I use UISS and AGWPE on my other machine an I think that software is great.
>
>Regards
>Mark
>VK3MJ
>Geelong, Australia.
Hi Mark,
Look at this page:
http://www.tigertronics.com/bay_soft.htm#WinAPRS
The standard DOS BayCom software will also run under Windows if
you run it in full screen mode.
73,
Tony AA2TX
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:57:52 +0900
From: Mineo Wakita <ei7m-wkt@xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] CO-65 earth photo #5
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/cut17ap4.htm
http://lss.mes.titech.ac.jp/ssp/cute1.7/blog/1_25_rev2%20_Caption.jpg
JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:11:33 -0500
From: "Doug Kuitula" <ka8qcu@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Visual sightings and IT
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000301c940d1$fc7d9180$77ef6742@xxx>
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Another good web site is the Visual Satellite Observers Home page at:
www.satobs.org/satintro.html
73 de Doug KA8QCU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 13:07
Subject: [amsat-bb] Visual sightings and IT
> I use Heavens Above for a quick forecast of any visual sightings, but
> I use IT for accurate AZ/EL printout information in the event of a
> partial overcast...
>
> The "seeing" is generally not very good in San Diego to begin with,
> and I live away from the city lights....
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:26:34 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Neked-eye viewing
To: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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Hey Luc ... and all,
If you have it or have access to it, please see page 19 0f the May-June issue
of The AMSAT Journal. There are folks keeping track of AO-40 and other "space
debris."
HamFi is a great idea!
73,
Tim
-------------- Original message from Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>: -
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> On 6 Nov 2008 at 15:23, n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
> I recently picked up a pair of Nikon zoom binoculars (10x-25x x 50mm) for
> wide-field viewing, and I'm going to try to "find" our FM LEO
> satellites in the night sky with them in the coming days and weeks. I will
not see them from here with my naked
> eye.
> >
> > 73 to all,
> >
> > Tim - N3TL
> AO-40 is much bigger and at perigee about +-1000KM if i remember correctly i
> don't even believe you will be able to see it and when i say "see it" i
should better say swishing it as the closer you are the fastest he
> will pass.
> With all the rumours going around AO-40 couple of years ago. Nobody has
never
> been able to confirm if he is still in one piece or in pieces there is
surely a way with the proper equipment to confirm this? Visually or by
> other mean... If a spy satellite is able to see a text in the Pravda over
the shoulder of someone, can they see on the other side! the
> space one?
>
> P.S.Could be we enter in some sort of Ham fiction HAMFI...
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:04:35 -0500
From: "Fred VE3FAL" <flesnick@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] D700 for ISS
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Gang:
I was trying to leave the D-700 on this morning for the passes of the ISS
and seeing if I could make it in as VE3FAL-8...it received ok, but I did not
show up on the map. What settings would I need to adjust the rig to for the
ISS in the Unproto, digi path etc???I have it set now for regular APRS..
I am trying to get these setting into the Program 1-5 for both Oscar32 and
ISS when on the road.
I did find some stuff on the usnavy site but some dates and material seem a
bit out of time..
Fred
VE3FAL
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:10:15 -0500
From: Patrick Domack <patrickdk@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D700 for ISS
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081107121015.ksavcivayocc4c0w@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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Sounds like you have the freq set right, only other thing should be to
change your aprs path from like, WIDE2-2, to ARISS
Quoting Fred VE3FAL <flesnick@xxxxxxx.xxx>:
> Gang:
>
> I was trying to leave the D-700 on this morning for the passes of the ISS
> and seeing if I could make it in as VE3FAL-8...it received ok, but I did not
> show up on the map. What settings would I need to adjust the rig to for the
> ISS in the Unproto, digi path etc???I have it set now for regular APRS..
>
> I am trying to get these setting into the Program 1-5 for both Oscar32 and
> ISS when on the road.
>
> I did find some stuff on the usnavy site but some dates and material seem a
> bit out of time..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> VE3FAL
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:44:03 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D700 for ISS
To: "'Patrick Domack'" <patrickdk@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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> Sounds like you have the freq set right,
> only other thing should be to
> change your aprs path from like,
> WIDE2-2, to ARISS
Yes, becaues to my surprise, the ID function is not enabled on
ISS, so when the ISS digipeats the packet, you see "WIDE2-1"
(you wont see any "*" to prove it was digipeated by ISS). It
could have been digipeated by anyone else's radio that is
accidentally on the wrong uplink and downlink.
SO it is best to use the "ARISS" path, so that you get proof if
it was digipeated as "RS0ISS*" or whatever...
Bob, Wb4APR
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