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Today's Topics:
1. Viewing Sats with Naked Eye (Clint Bradford)
2. AO-51 Flatplate area (Dave Guimont)
3. AO 51 dimensions (Jim Danehy)
4. Re: AO 51 dimensions (Dave Guimont)
5. Re: Packet Software (Greg D.)
6. Re: AO 51 dimensions (Jim Danehy)
7. Scouts and AA4RC (Andrew Glasbrenner)
8. Re: Scouts and AA4RC (Sebastian)
9. Re: Scouts and AA4RC (Alan P. Biddle)
10. last pass of AO-51 (Dave Aitch)
11. Re: last pass of AO-51 (Dave Guimont)
12. Re: last pass of AO-51 (w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:11:22 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Viewing Sats with Naked Eye
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>>...impossible to view AO-51...
I will stick with the information that NASA offers...and sources like
astronomer Dave Kornreich (Dave earned his PhD from Cornell in 2001
and is now an assistant professor in the Department of Physics and
Physical Science at Humboldt State University in California) -
I did, indeed, see the light of the sun reflecting off of AO-51
earlier this week with the naked eye.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:50:24 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 Flatplate area
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Can anyone approximate the flatplate area of AO-51...
I see various claims of visibility on the reflector...
MIR was pretty big, and as I remember the magnitude was greater than
0 (darker)..........variously, depending on sun angle of course...
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:06:36 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 51 dimensions
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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AO 51 is approximately 9 inches wide by 9 inches long and 9 inches deep. About
a half cubic foot in volume. Something like a 12 pack of beer . . . . The ISS
by contrast is 10,000,000 cubic feet or 20 million times bigger than AO51. .
. . ISS is only up 200 miles or 1,000,000 feet. I believe that AO51 is up 400
miles which would be 2,000,000 + feet. I can stand to be corrected on the AO51
height. You can see the ISS visually in a clear and dark sky. It is big enough
and I encourage you to look for it. It is distinguished from other objects by
its speed across the sky. Maybe you have seen it already.
Jim W9VNE
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:00:46 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO 51 dimensions
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>AO 51 is approximately 9 inches wide by 9 inches long and 9 inches
>deep. About a half cubic foot in volume. Something like a 12 pack of
>beer . . . . The ISS by contrast is 10,000,000 cubic feet or 20
>million times bigger than AO51. . . . ISS is only up 200 miles or
>1,000,000 feet. I believe that AO51 is up 400 miles which would be
>2,000,000 + feet. I can stand to be corrected on the AO51 height.
>You can see the ISS visually in a clear and dark sky. It is big
>enough and I encourage you to look for it. It is distinguished from
>other objects by its speed across the sky. Maybe you have seen it already.
Jim,
No contest on ISS, I started visuals on MIR....I think in 1980...
I was questioning those that saw AO51!!!
I used celestial navigation in WWII to find my way back to the
carrier in WWII... I certainly do not claim to be an astrophysicist
or any of the disciplines. but I think a simple question deserves a
simple answer...
Maybe I'm on the wrong page??
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:36:34 -0800
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Packet Software
To: <translunar@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Mark,
Do a Google search for WinTNC, version 1.1 or thereabouts. Nice piece of
Shareware. I used it for a while with my Baycom-clone TNC, until I got a
"real" one and moved (ran, screaming) to Linux. I forget which computer it
was on, but your Dell should work just fine.
Good luck,
Greg KO6TH
> From: translunar@xxxxxxx.xxx
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:51:07 +1100
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Packet Software
>
> Hi All.
> I'm hoping somebody may be able to advise me of an alternative "Windows"
packet program
> that I can use on my laptop "with my BayCom modem" that doesn't use the AGW
packet engine.
>
> My old 266 MHz Dell Latitude doesn't want to know about AGWPE. :-(
> I use UISS and AGWPE on my other machine an I think that software is great.
>
> Regards
> Mark
> VK3MJ
> Geelong, Australia.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Hello Ciaran,
>
> You can use AGWpe as the soundcard modem. This site has an
> excellent "How-To":
> <http://kc2rlm.info/soundcardpacket/>
>
> There is another application that works with AGWpe to simplify
> APRS via ISS and that is UISS.
> <http://users.belgacom.net/hamradio/uiss.htm>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:19:18 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO 51 dimensions
To: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Dave
My original comments on this issue were that I am not out to persuade. I
just thought I would share some information that I have acquired from my
study of astronomy. I enjoy stargazing a lot. The smallest object the human
eye can detect (according to the astronomers who have written on the
subject) is a magnitude of +6. The sun is a -27 ( astronomers use a
counterintuitive scale). Someone here on the BB stated that AO51 is a +9
(three levels below naked eye seeing). That would be like being down 3 S
units. You might be able to see magnitude +9 from a "dark sky" location
with a pair of binoculars or a small telescope.
I believe in letting everyone draw their own conclusions. I never told my
two kids that there was no Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny. They
just came to that on their own.
73 Jim W9VNE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Guimont" <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 51 dimensions
>
>>AO 51 is approximately 9 inches wide by 9 inches long and 9 inches deep.
>>About a half cubic foot in volume. Something like a 12 pack of beer . . .
>>. The ISS by contrast is 10,000,000 cubic feet or 20 million times bigger
>>than AO51. . . . ISS is only up 200 miles or 1,000,000 feet. I believe
>>that AO51 is up 400 miles which would be 2,000,000 + feet. I can stand to
>>be corrected on the AO51 height. You can see the ISS visually in a clear
>>and dark sky. It is big enough and I encourage you to look for it. It is
>>distinguished from other objects by its speed across the sky. Maybe you
>>have seen it already.
>
> Jim,
>
> No contest on ISS, I started visuals on MIR....I think in 1980...
>
> I was questioning those that saw AO51!!!
>
> I used celestial navigation in WWII to find my way back to the carrier in
> WWII... I certainly do not claim to be an astrophysicist or any of the
> disciplines. but I think a simple question deserves a simple answer...
>
> Maybe I'm on the wrong page??
>
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:19:48 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Scouts and AA4RC
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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If you happen to hear Robin, AA4RC on the air this weekend, please give him
a call or allow him some room on the FM satellites. He is camped out at
Talladega Speedway with 10,000 Scouts and has been on the air showing off
ham radio and amateur satellites. Sounds like a good time!
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:31:38 -0500
From: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Scouts and AA4RC
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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He is also on the SSB birds, as I just worked him on FO-29.
Do you have any idea what his grid square might be? I asked him but
he wasn't sure.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
On Nov 8, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> If you happen to hear Robin, AA4RC on the air this weekend, please
> give him
> a call or allow him some room on the FM satellites. He is camped out
> at
> Talladega Speedway with 10,000 Scouts and has been on the air
> showing off
> ham radio and amateur satellites. Sounds like a good time!
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:54:09 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Scouts and AA4RC
To: "'Sebastian'" <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT BB'"
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <6C660483FD87400D90EC105F36F52498@xxxxxx>
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Sebastian,
There are some good resources to calculate grid squares here:
http://www.arrl.org/locate/locate.html
Both the city of Talladega and the actual position of the track come up with
EM63wo.
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:05:27 -0000
From: "Dave Aitch" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] last pass of AO-51
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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The last was pass to the east of the UK was an
absolute disgrace to the hobby of amateur radio
and satellite user/operators.
I would have been ashamed if I had been giving a
satellite demonstration to non or potential radio
amateurs, or potential satellite users, to let them
listen to the cacophony of ignorant operators who
were on that last pass.
A shame that perhaps, most of those users were not
AMSAT members or even subscribe to this list.
David. G1OCN.
AMSAT UK 5766
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:25:27 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: last pass of AO-51
To: "Dave Aitch" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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>The last was pass to the east of the UK was an
>absolute disgrace to the hobby of amateur radio
>and satellite user/operators.
>
>I would have been ashamed if I had been giving a
>satellite demonstration to non or potential radio
>amateurs, or potential satellite users, to let them
>listen to the cacophony of ignorant operators who
>were on that last pass.
Yes, Dave we have the same coterie of rude operators in thke US as well...
But, of course, the mode selected for AO51 (ssb 2-user voice), is the
big contributing factor...
You will not find that on AO-7, FO-29 or VO52....
...............BANDWIDTH...
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:39:19 +0000
From: w7lrd@xxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: last pass of AO-51
To: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>, "Dave Aitch" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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xxx>
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In fact on AO-7 one will find themselves in a three or four way QSO. You can
actually have a conversation!
73 Bob W7LRD
Seattle
--
"if this were easy, everyone would be doing it"
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
>
> >The last was pass to the east of the UK was an
> >absolute disgrace to the hobby of amateur radio
> >and satellite user/operators.
> >
> >I would have been ashamed if I had been giving a
> >satellite demonstration to non or potential radio
> >amateurs, or potential satellite users, to let them
> >listen to the cacophony of ignorant operators who
> >were on that last pass.
>
> Yes, Dave we have the same coterie of rude operators in thke US as well...
>
> But, of course, the mode selected for AO51 (ssb 2-user voice), is the
> big contributing factor...
>
> You will not find that on AO-7, FO-29 or VO52....
>
> ...............BANDWIDTH...
>
>
>
> 73, Dave, WB6LLO
> dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
>
> Disagree: I learn....
>
> Pulling for P3E...
>
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