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Today's Topics:
1. Re: TALKING FAST (Jim Danehy)
2. Grid Expeditions (Jim Danehy)
3. AO-51 in L/U mode (DeYoung James)
4. thought for a neat product, anyone seen one? (Eric Fort)
5. Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
6. Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
(n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
7. Sat Demo / Presentation in Pasadena, CA 11/25/08 (Clint BRADFORD)
8. Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
(Anthony Monteiro)
9. Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one? (Ben Jackson)
10. DL99 - KE5GDB (Andrew Koenig)
11. Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one? (Alan)
12. Soundcard 9600 GMSK application? (Andrew Glasbrenner)
13. Re: Transcr Question (George Henry)
14. AO16 report (Graham Shirville)
15. Buzzing on AO-51?? (Curt Nixon)
16. Re: Soundcard 9600 GMSK application? (Tony Langdon)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:17:01 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: TALKING FAST
To: "Curt Nixon" <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4B0B33967CEC4BA8B571DB83BA4EBD27@xxxxxxx>
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Curt
Glad to be your first satellite QSO. You certainly gave no indication of
being a "first timer". You sounded like a pro. Keep it up. Be looking for
you on another pass. QSL will be on it's way to you tomorrow.
73 Jim W9VNE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Nixon" <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] TALKING FAST
> Yes...Jim you were my first...(whens the last time you heard THAT? :) )
>
> I understand the need to keep QSO conversation short--similar to contest
> work.
>
> I think the skill for listening and processing phonetic calls and info is
> the same as I learned as an instrumnent rating in-training pilot. Its all
> new to the ear so we must get in the habit of decoding the information.
> Next time I'll have my recorder running so I dont have to write everything
> down.
>
> Thanks Jim, Sebastion, and all...I'm going to try out SO-50 this
> afternoon. And will try AO51 again after that.
>
> Curt
> KU8L
> EN82
>
>
>
> Jim Danehy wrote:
>> I worked KU8L and I don't know if I was his first satellite QSO but glad
>> to welcome him. See his post on being new to the birds. . . . he
>> indicated we talk FAST . . . well Sebastian, W4AS covered why we do . .
>> . nice comment Sebastian . . . . it is very nice to see newcomers post
>> with comments . . . we need more of that . . . . we also need to lead by
>> example by using intelligent operating procedures . . . AO51 is a great
>> satellite . . . as Sebastian has pointed out , you can rag chew for 10
>> minutes on AO 7, VO 52 or FO 29 on SSB . . . AO 16 although not with us
>> much longer, also has some "group discussions" on it . . . .
>>
>> Keep up the good work . . . . when an expedition to a Grid Square is in
>> operation PLEASE defer to that station who has put in a lot of time,
>> effort and probably expense to give folks a new one . . . the operator of
>> that new GRID should probably try to announce in some manner that he is
>> operating a Grid Expedition so some who might not know will get the
>> message .
>> GRID EXPEDITION GRID EXPEDITION
>> 73 Jim W9VNE
>>
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>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:28:07 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Grid Expeditions
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <926440E8CA2B4A2EB766639B6F46B24B@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Patrick, WD9EWK
Your statement about reality is correct.
I do hear folks getting on top of a rare grid operator and : "CQ CQ CQ" . .
. . reality is one thing . . . . . . attempting to persuade others to a better
way is something else . . . maybe we can make reality better, I hope so. Maybe
by identifying yourself as a "Grid Expedition" during your transmissions will
get a subtle message out there . . . well maybe not so subtle . . . .that was
my point . . . I do not see a down side . . . sometimes people need a
reminder . . . again, improvement is a j o u r n e y not a d e s t i n
a t i o n.
Patrick, thanks for all of your contribution to the Grid Hunting it is
appreciated.
Jim W9VNE
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:55:07 -0800 (PST)
From: DeYoung James <deyoung_james@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 in L/U mode
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Jim DeYoung <n8oq@xxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <550855.30641.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Greetings,
Heard myself above about 20-deg. elevation but only one other station was
heard. KA9EAZ, it sounded most like, but that is not in any of the license
databases so clearly I copied it wrong.
Perhaps, there will be more L/U mode operators over the next week of L/U ops
on AO-51.
73
Btw, the graphical scheduler I am/was looking for, see previous post, is in
HAMRadio Deluxe. The only imporovement needed would be to make the pass lines
thicker so they stand out better.
James A. DeYoung (N8OQ), 3218 Wellington Road, Alexandria, VA 22302-2229,
deyoung_james@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:14:38 -0800
From: "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<2ad2af430811231914k141cccf1hbdb418ea63ade399@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little box
that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink while
displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be handy to
have the frequency control take care of itself while providing data as to
where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this idea think of
it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for ssb.
Eric
AF6EP
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:29:50 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<2e18ad3e0811231929i3fe41019jd98d98db99644174@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi Eric!
> I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
> Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
> interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little box
> that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink while
> displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be handy to
> have the frequency control take care of itself while providing data as to
> where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this idea think of
> it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for ssb.
I'd like something like that. Barring that, I will use a small laptop with
the Yaesu CAT cables (I'm using 2 FT-817NDs) and run SatPC32 or
some other software to do the radio control. In the field or at hamfests,
it would be a lot easier to have computer control of the frequencies -
and show those not familiar with non-FM satellite operation how it can
be done.
Back to printing QSL cards...
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:43:43 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: eric.fort@xxxxx.xxxx AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<112420080443.19312.492A30FF0008289100004B7022218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C
04040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
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Hey Eric,
As far as pointing your antenna in full-manual operation - and until you or
someone gets that neat little box built, tested and rnuning - let me offer a
couple of ideas.
First and most importantly, start watching visible passes of the International
Space Station. Note the azimuth positions for acquisition, maximum elevation
and loss of visual. The tracking software I use tells me where the ISS will
rise and set at the horizon, but my personal experience is that it often
doesn't come into view here until it reaches 10-or-so degrees of elevation.
That's important if you try to track from closer to the horizon because the
ISS coming into view might be misleading because it's often higher than the
horizon before you can see it.
The more passes you watch, the more accustomed you'll become to judging
maximum elevation. Before long, you will be able to take the schedules
generated by programs like SatPC32 and Orbitron and "visualiize" how a
satellite will move across the sky. I use a Brunton Satellite Alignment base
plate compass, which I just discovered a few months ago. Sells online for $12.
It includes a protractor of sorts on one end of the base plate that will show
you elevations up to 60 degrees.
So ... let's say I have a pass of AO-51 coming up with AOS at azimuth 178
degrees; maximum elevation of 55 degrees at azimuth 260 degrees; and LOS at
azimuth 341 degrees. I go out a few minutes before the pass and, using the
compass, find visible landmarks that correspond with the three azimuth
positions. Then, I get an idea of exactly where in the sky it will be at
maximum elevation (i.e., i go up 55 degrees from azimuth 260). I'm going to
follow it up the sky with my handheld antenna from 178 to 260, then follow it
down from 260 to 341. Those "practice" ISS passes help me to visualize that
line.
As Patrick mentioned, SatPC32 will automatically track Doppler for you, even
with two radios as he (and I) use. I'm still doing everything manually here,
but look forward to being able to use computer control if I choose.
I hope ths proves helpful. Best of luck with your satellite work!
73,
Tim - N3TL
AMSAT Member No. 36820
QRP-ARCI Member No. 5547
ARRL Member No. 0007027180
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
-------------- Original message from "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>: ------
--------
> I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
> Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
> interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little box
> that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink while
> displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be handy to
> have the frequency control take care of itself while providing data as to
> where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this idea think of
> it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for ssb.
>
> Eric
> AF6EP
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:18:31 -0800
From: Clint BRADFORD <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat Demo / Presentation in Pasadena, CA 11/25/08
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more exciting...
In addition to working AO-51 this Tuesday night at the Pasadena (CA)
Amateur Radio Club meeting - and having a presentation on AMSAT -
it's also W6KA's Annual Potluck Festival of Food night!
AND - a Toys for Tots campaign receptacle will be there.
SO...If you're in the area, check out the meeting announcement at..
http://www.qsl.net/w6ka/
...Scroll down to just below the table with their repeater freqs for
more info on the meeting.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
-AO-51 passes at 6:09pm
-Meeting starts at 7PM.
-Food and fun starts at 7:01pm
-I'll give my presentation at about 7:30pm.
They meet at the Walnut Center location of Kaiser Permanente, 393 E.
Walnut Street. Enter at the northern entrance to the parking structure
on Los Robles north of Walnut. Press the button and tell the security
officer "Radio Club" to get the gate opened. Sign in at the security
desk and follow the crowd to the meeting room on the first floor.
Talk-in repeater is 145.180(-) 156.7
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:02:12 -0500
From: Anthony Monteiro <aa2tx@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: eric.fort@xxxxx.xxxx AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20081124120212.8BOC2Cc00E8AH@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
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At 10:14 PM 11/23/2008, Eric Fort wrote:
>I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
>Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
>interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little box
>that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink while
>displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be handy to
>have the frequency control take care of itself while providing data as to
>where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this idea think of
>it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for ssb.
>
>Eric
>AF6EP
Hi Eric,
InstantTrack with InstantTune V1.50 running on any laptop with
a serial port.
73,
Tony AA2TX
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:06:13 -0500
From: Ben Jackson <bbj@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <492AA6C5.5020108@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Eric Fort wrote:
> I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
> Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
> interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little box
> that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink while
> displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be handy to
> have the frequency control take care of itself while providing data as to
> where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this idea think of
> it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for ssb.
I think it was Mark VandeWettering, KF6KYI, who had a similar idea a few
months ago. Last I heard I think he was toying around with the idea of
using a Gumstix (http://www.gumstix.com/)device to be the "black box." -
There was a reason he didn't pursue it, but I forget why.
This is a easily extensible system that can be hacked up to control
doppler and handle basic radio functions. One could probably have a
simple system banged out in an afternoon. As it gets more complicated
(external display to control satellite selection, etc) it gets a touch
harder to make, but still within the realm of possibility. The good part
about Gumstix is that you don't need to get the hardware first to start
working on the software, as it's all based on Linux.
I think this idea has a lot of promise, and if I had a transceiver that
could computer control, I'd probably start designing it. :)
--
Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA
bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:42 -0600
From: "Andrew Koenig" <andrewkoenig@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DL99 - KE5GDB
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<2f52b89b0811240530s656480c9wa96e498c6213aea@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I'm headed out to dl99 (SW Texas) this weekend. I have FM equipment
with me, so listen for me on AO51 and SO50.
Hope to hear y'all on the birds!
73 de ke5gdb
--
Andrew Koenig
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:27:58 -0600
From: "Alan" <ve4yz@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: thought for a neat product, anyone seen one?
To: <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0958B0E604204100BA3E4030D3C7480E@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 10:14 PM 11/23/2008, Eric Fort wrote:
>I just thought of kind of a neat product for those of us that work sats.
>Has anyone seen anything similar? I have an ft-817 which has a cat
>interface and will operate both ssb and fm. Has anyone seen a little
>box that would adjust the radio frequency for both uplink and downlink
>while displaying azmuth and elevation data? It seems that it would be
>handy to have the frequency control take care of itself while providing
>data as to where I should point the arrow. What do those reading this
>idea think of it? It would seem to me to be quite useful especially for
ssb.
>
>Eric
>AF6EP
Hi Eric,
http://picasaweb.google.com/ve4yz.alan/TrakboxRebuild2004#
1990's TrakBox requires computer with serial port to program KEPS into it,
but then can run Doppler and a rotator. Displays AZ/EL of pass.
http://www.bigfattail.com/software/pocketsatplus/ freeware or register it.
PocketSat can be run on a $10 surplus Palm and will show graphically
elevation and direction of a pass.
73, Alan VE4YZ
EN19kw
AMSAT LM 2352
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:27:50 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Soundcard 9600 GMSK application?
To: "amsat-bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <176F5D62BC33448EA16696D526FA85AD@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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Is anyone aware of a soundcard application to emulate a GMSK 9k6 modem ?
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:10 -0800 (PST)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Transcr Question
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <877311.34831.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Actually, the CT-16 just couples two CI-V capable Icom radios for satellite
operation, with no PC involved.? The CT-17 (or a reasonable clone) is capable
of controlling up to 3 radios at once, so the CT-16 is not needed with PC
control.
The CT-16 that I was using belongs to the local radio club, and is not for
sale:? they want to keep the ability to?link the IC-275 and IC-475 together
for satellite operations where I might not be available.
73,
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----
> From: D. Mynatt <dave@xxxxxx.xxx>
> To: George Henry <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:19:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Transcr Question
>
> Thanks, George. I appreciate the insight. You also answered one of my
> questions, and that being if I needed a CT-16. My limited knowledge says it
> goes between the radios and PC; i.e., one PC and two radios connected to the
> CT-16?
>
> Right? Wouldn't have a CT-16 for sale would you??
>
> Dave/KA0SWT
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:55:48 -0000
From: "Graham Shirville" <g.shirville@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO16 report
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <230B0316DCD74C8AA36E56C4ED251BCD@xxxxxxx.xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi All,
Just report that she is still working wonderfully!
I have just had the pleasure of making my first transatlantic QSO for a long
while with VE3NPC - thanks Clare!
We had the satellite to ourselves and even tho it was a 4 deg max elevation
pass here the downlink was really good for the whole pass - luckily most of
the local trees have lost their leaves now.
Work her while you can.
73
Graham
G3VZV
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:36:36 -0500
From: Curt Nixon <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Buzzing on AO-51??
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <492AF434.5090203@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
What is the substantial buzz or mum I heard on AO-51 during the 12:20UTC
pass this morning here in the US?
Dont think was just me..it went away if I got off freq. a bit.
Next pass was fine.
Thanks
Curt "the Noob"
KU8L
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:26:43 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Soundcard 9600 GMSK application?
To: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <492affff.29578c0a.566e.fffff17d@xx.xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 03:27 AM 11/25/2008, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>Is anyone aware of a soundcard application to emulate a GMSK 9k6 modem ?
I know the Linux kernel has support for 9600 soundcard modems. On
Windows, maybe the AGW Packet Engine, though not sure.
73 de VK3JED
http://vkradio.com
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