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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Selling "free" software. (Alexandru Csete)
2. Re: Selling "free" software. (Alexandru Csete)
3. Re: Selling "free" software. (Jim Jerzycke)
4. TS2000X vs. 910H ? (Gordon Bousman)
5. SumbandillaSat launch date (Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. Re: Selling "free" software. (Greg D.)
7. need link to current predict source code (Eric Fort)
8. Re: STS-9 W5LFL audio tapes (Hartmut Paesler)
9. Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas (Michelle)
10. ISS SSTV Active (David Barber)
11. Re: SumbandillaSat launch date (Masahiro Arai)
12. Re: need link to current predict source code (Jim Jerzycke)
13. Re: need link to current predict source code (Eric Fort)
14. Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas (Robert Bruninga)
15. ISS - SSTV @ 18:35 UTC over North America (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
16. Re: ISS SSTV Active (David - M0ZLB)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:59:18 +0100
From: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: nigel@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>, kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081201005918.7e2f0ffa@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:53:09 +0000
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I realise the legal aspect but have been to several times by
> software authors not to charge more than, say, $5 to cover media
> costs. I guess anyone who pays $20+ for something he can get free is
> a bit of a fool.
Hi guys,
Just a clarification... these ebay sellers are NOT the software
authors. I am the author of several GPL software that has ended in
the claws of these ebay scammers. I have never charged for my
ham radio software and I will never do. It has always been available for
free download.
While what these ebay scammers do is not illegal I strongly question
their motives and business moral. The "product description" is a
complete ripoff from my websites. This includes the screen shots. The
only difference is that they have been altered to remove any traces of
the original software name and authors. These scammers don't contribute
anything back to the software development. They don't even provide
proper customer support as they promise on ebay; people end up sending
me emails requesting my help since they paid for the software... Very
encouraging...
The reason that people are willing to pay $20+ is because they don't
know what they are buying and they don't know that they can download it
for free. What makes it even more pathetic is that it would take much
less time to download the software than to to complete an ebay
transaction.
What's puzzling me is all these 99.9% AAAAA++++++ feedback the
ebay scammers receive. Surely something is not right on ebay.
73
Alex OZ9AEC
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:07:58 +0100
From: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <20081201010758.10720094@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:50:21 -0800 (PST)
Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hah! You'll get no argument from me on that point.
> Now if the repackager adds something to it, like a nice "HOWTO" for
> setting it up and running it, and a list of links to other satellite
> resources, then they've added some value to it, and (I think) would
> be justified in charging a bit more. I haven't seen the auction, but
> I'll go look for it. 73, Jim
Well, I've had the chance of inspecting one of these CDROMs. The only
"added value" I saw was an installer script that unpacked a ZIP file. I
don't know how much added value that is... No, what I would call added
value is if they would take my source code and build a windows
executable themselves and take care of the windows port. But of course
they don't do it. Consequently, what they are selling on ebay now is
way out of date compared to latest releases, since I have stopped
making windows versions.
73
Alex OZ9AEC
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:14:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <719869.45239.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hi, Alex, nice to hear from you.
Thanks for clearing up exactly what these guys provide. I checked your home
page for GPredict (which I use and enjoy!) and noticed you state the Windoze
version is out-of-date. Yep, eBay is eBay, and as always Caveat Emptor!
Thanks for providing your software!
73, Jim
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx> wrote:
> From: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
> To: kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
> Cc: "AMSAT BB" <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:07 PM
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:50:21 -0800 (PST)
> Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Hah! You'll get no argument from me on that point.
> > Now if the repackager adds something to it, like a
> nice "HOWTO" for
> > setting it up and running it, and a list of links to
> other satellite
> > resources, then they've added some value to it,
> and (I think) would
> > be justified in charging a bit more. I haven't
> seen the auction, but
> > I'll go look for it. 73, Jim
>
> Well, I've had the chance of inspecting one of these
> CDROMs. The only
> "added value" I saw was an installer script that
> unpacked a ZIP file. I
> don't know how much added value that is... No, what I
> would call added
> value is if they would take my source code and build a
> windows
> executable themselves and take care of the windows port.
> But of course
> they don't do it. Consequently, what they are selling
> on ebay now is
> way out of date compared to latest releases, since I have
> stopped
> making windows versions.
>
> 73
> Alex OZ9AEC
> _______________________________________________
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> of the author.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:44:19 -0800
From: "Gordon Bousman" <nw7d.ham@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] TS2000X vs. 910H ?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<9acda2d0811301744x29f7595cmed1efe3541048309@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I'm just about to get started in working satellites and debating between two
rig options: Kenwood TS2000X and the Icom 910H. I already have an HF rig
(Icom 756Pro-3) so don't really need the HF features of the TS2000X but
otherwise it seems very comparable to the 910H especially when you consider
that all the options for the 910H are standard in the TS9000X. Price-wise,
they both seem to be in the same ballpark (when you add most options to the
910H). If you were just getting starting out in satellites, which rig would
you choose? Thanks, Gordon NW7D
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:10:30 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SumbandillaSat launch date
To: "AMSAT BB" <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <76AAFE3010A8423B848263B64A81361C@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Here's a short blurb including a launch date for SumbandillaSat. The reader
comments at the end of the article don't paint a rosy picture unfortunately.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-11-25-sa-to-launch-r25m-satellite-weather-
permitting
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:10:27 -0800
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>, <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <BLU133-W4062036AE69E2D022BCC60A9010@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Alex,
Thanks for the clarification. I took a look at their eBay site, and the big
clue to their scam-ness is how much space they take up explaining that they
are legit. A sure sign of trouble...
Greg KO6TH
(a big fan of gpredict, by the way. Thanks for the excellent work!)
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:59:18 +0100
> From: alexc@xxxx.xx.xx
> To: nigel@xxxxx.xxx
> CC: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
>
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:53:09 +0000
> Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > I realise the legal aspect but have been to several times by
> > software authors not to charge more than, say, $5 to cover media
> > costs. I guess anyone who pays $20+ for something he can get free is
> > a bit of a fool.
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Just a clarification... these ebay sellers are NOT the software
> authors. I am the author of several GPL software that has ended in
> the claws of these ebay scammers. I have never charged for my
> ham radio software and I will never do. It has always been available for
> free download.
>
> While what these ebay scammers do is not illegal I strongly question
> their motives and business moral. The "product description" is a
> complete ripoff from my websites. This includes the screen shots. The
> only difference is that they have been altered to remove any traces of
> the original software name and authors. These scammers don't contribute
> anything back to the software development. They don't even provide
> proper customer support as they promise on ebay; people end up sending
> me emails requesting my help since they paid for the software... Very
> encouraging...
>
> The reason that people are willing to pay $20+ is because they don't
> know what they are buying and they don't know that they can download it
> for free. What makes it even more pathetic is that it would take much
> less time to download the software than to to complete an ebay
> transaction.
>
> What's puzzling me is all these 99.9% AAAAA++++++ feedback the
> ebay scammers receive. Surely something is not right on ebay.
>
> 73
> Alex OZ9AEC
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:24:28 -0800
From: "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] need link to current predict source code
To: "AMSAT-BB bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<2ad2af430811302224tc7948a5sf6829d6c181f51d7@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Where can I download the latest predict source code that will compile under
centos, debian, and osx 10.4?
Thanks,
Eric
AF6EP
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:37:29 +0100
From: Hartmut Paesler <dl1ydd@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: STS-9 W5LFL audio tapes
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081201063729.GD2007@xxxxxxx.xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Does anyone know if any of these tapes are still around ?
> I've heard bits and pieces, but I've always wondered if I ever actually
> made it through the brief pile-ups and into his audio log ...
> I know I heard him on several passes and called him back, I was mobile.
> Seems the first pass or two, it was not that busy - I heard more acks later.
Alan,
have a look at http://www.dd1us.de, menu item "sounds from space", there
is (amongst lots of others) a STS-9 recording of Dec 4th 1983.
73 Hartmut DL1YDD
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:15:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Michelle <w5nyv@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas
To: "Timothy J. Salo" <salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <423321.82508.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Timothy Salo wrote,
>I am hopeful that at least some of the work on the MEP
>will be applicable to the ACP.
?
I'd like to thank Tim for bringing up the project on AMSAT-BB.
One of the stated intentions of MEP is to continue the digital ground station
work that was begun in support of ACP. While MEP is intended to be deployed as
a terrestrial system, the model is based off of ACP.
We preserve the idea of a multiple access payload in the "groundsat",
which?will be a mountaintop?repeater instead of in orbit.?We are using?the
same bands, with the only difference being a shift off the satellite sub-
bands. We have taken advantage of a greatly improved link budget by orienting
the system to high-definition video for terrestrial use.
For satellite use, we would be able to support some number of voice channels,
depending on the payload.
We are open invitation and welcome anyone at any level who would like to
participate.
Our current phase is exploratory. We're beginning to transition to analyzing
requirements, and then we'll design, implement, test and verify.
-Michelle W5NYV
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:04:36 -0000
From: "David Barber" <david.barber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS SSTV Active
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, <sarex@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <FF62282F1AAD44BB886C50E3731F84A0@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
ISS SSTV active today during the 12.35 and 15.38 passes over Europe.
System appears to be set to automatic with a 2 minute delay between
pictures.
David
G8OQW
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:55:15 +0900
From: Masahiro Arai <m-arai@x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: SumbandillaSat launch date
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <200812011655.AA02480@xxxx.x.xxxxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
The launch info is also on the Southern African AMSAT web site.
http://www.amsatsa.org.za/index.htm
73
Masa JN1GKZ Tokyo Japan
>Here's a short blurb including a launch date for SumbandillaSat. The reader
>comments at the end of the article don't paint a rosy picture unfortunately.
>
>http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-11-25-sa-to-launch-r25m-satellite-weather-
permitting
>
>73, Drew KO4MA
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:17:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: AMSAT-BB bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <226114.54647.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Predict is available here:
http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.html
73, Jim KQ6EA
--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Eric Fort <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: Eric Fort <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] need link to current predict source code
> To: "AMSAT-BB bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:24 PM
> Where can I download the latest predict source code that
> will compile under
> centos, debian, and osx 10.4?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
> AF6EP
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those
> of the author.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:18:06 -0800
From: "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: "AMSAT-BB bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<2ad2af430812011018m4155e2bcrd9bf8c0520ac2594@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
The only package I find here is for linux or dos. the linux version there
will not compile on osx. where can I find osx (or more generic/portable)
unix source? osx versions are referenced. also what is the latest version
of predict?
Eric
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Predict is available here:
> http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.html
> 73, Jim KQ6EA
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Eric Fort <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > From: Eric Fort <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] need link to current predict source code
> > To: "AMSAT-BB bb" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:24 PM
> > Where can I download the latest predict source code that
> > will compile under
> > centos, debian, and osx 10.4?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eric
> > AF6EP
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those
> > of the author.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
> > satellite program!
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>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:41:08 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas
To: "'Michelle'" <w5nyv@xxxxx.xxx>, "'Timothy J. Salo'"
<salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <B3FEF048A9024EC686C364E331AD449B@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Def: MEP = Microwave Experimentation Project
> One of the stated intentions of MEP
> is to continue the digital ground station
> work that was begun in support of ACP.
> While MEP is intended to be deployed as a
> terrestrial system, the model is based off of ACP.
For what it's worth... the issue of high-gain antenna pointing
among terrestrial users is being taken care of with an APRS
packet that will indicate to everyone on the net, where each
person's microwave antenna is pointing live. This can allow for
automatic antenna tracking during terrestrial ops. See
http://www.aprs.org/info/microwave-exp-proj.txt
> We preserve the idea of a multiple access payload in the
> "groundsat", which?will be a mountaintop?repeater instead of
> in orbit.?We are using?the same bands, with the only
> difference being a shift off the satellite sub-bands. We have
> taken advantage of a greatly improved link budget by
> orienting the system to high-definition video for terrestrial
use.
>
> For satellite use, we would be able to support some number of
> voice channels, depending on the payload.
>
> We are open invitation and welcome anyone at any level who
> would like to participate.
>
> Our current phase is exploratory. We're beginning to
> transition to analyzing requirements, and then we'll design,
> implement, test and verify.
> -Michelle W5NYV
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:41:31 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] ISS - SSTV @ 18:35 UTC over North America
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<120120081841.15748.49342FDB0006E76800003D8422230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C
04040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
Hey everyone,
The ISS continued in SSTV on this pass over me in EM84.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
AMSAT Member No. 36820
QRP-ARCI Member No. 5547
ARRL Member No. 0007027180
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:44:08 -0500
From: David - M0ZLB <m0zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ISS SSTV Active
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx sarex@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <49343078.1010901@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
And two lovely pictures received on the 13:35 edt (18:35z) pass just now
over EL96!
David
KG4ZLB/M0ZLB
www.kg4zlb.com
David Barber wrote:
> ISS SSTV active today during the 12.35 and 15.38 passes over Europe.
>
>
> System appears to be set to automatic with a 2 minute delay between
> pictures.
>
> David
> G8OQW
>
> _______________________________________________
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