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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Selling "free" software. (george abbott)
2. IC 910 connections (Dave Guimont)
3. Re: Selling "free" software. (Alexandru Csete)
4. Re: Selling "free" software. (Clint Bradford)
5. Re: Selling "free" software. (Tony Langdon)
6. Re: Selling "free" software. (Tony Langdon)
7. Re: need link to current predict source code (laura halliday)
8. Re: need link to current predict source code (John Magliacane)
9. getting predict compiled (under osx 10.4) (Eric Fort)
10. Re: need link to current predict source code (Eric Fort)
11. Re: need link to current predict source code (Jim Jerzycke)
12. Re: need link to current predict source code
(Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
13. Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas (Robert Bruninga)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:16:05 -0500
From: "george abbott" <ka1ajf@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: "'Clint Bradford'" <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "'Tony Langdon'"
<vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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Can we use CW?
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Clint Bradford
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:39 PM
To: Tony Langdon
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
If the seller has taken text descriptions directly from another's Web
site without permission, they are in violation of copyright law.
Same with images.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS / KAF3359
909-241-7666
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:16:28 -0800
From: Dave Guimont <dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC 910 connections
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Tnx to all that provided me with info regarding 910
connections...There were quite a few, and answered each individually,
but just in case I missed someone..
It has been over 20 years since I've done anything other than cw,ssb
or FM...on the satellites...
Now to learn the intricacies of MixW again!! The cubesats look like fun....
Any simple way to get the latest MixW up and running???
73, Dave, WB6LLO
dguimon1@xxx.xx.xxx
Disagree: I learn....
Pulling for P3E...
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:17:32 +0100
From: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081201211732.43618ebc@xxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:57:23 +1100
Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> At 06:38 AM 12/2/2008, Clint Bradford wrote:
> >If the seller has taken text descriptions directly from another's Web
> >site without permission, they are in violation of copyright law.
>
> If that is the case, these are the issues that need to be dealt with.
Well, I don't have any explicit copyright statements on my websites, so
I don't think I can claim any legal copyright. Anyway, people are free
to use the contents. Of course, thanks to my naivety, I didn't expect
to see them being used this way.
In my opinion, it is not a question of whether it is legal or not. It
is more about "being nice to your neighbours". I also buy free software
on CDs and DVDs because it can save me download time and in most cases
it will support the development. But selling a CDROM with 10 MByte of
data, which can be downloaded for free... that's also an insult to
the environment :-(
73
Alex OZ9AEC
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:33:52 -0800
From: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <5A146E0A-AFC3-498B-AD64-ED99EB8E3577@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>> Well, I don't have any explicit copyright statements on my
>> websites, so
> I don't think I can claim any legal copyright.
Absolutely incorrect. Your work is inherently copyrighted the moment
you publish it...
> Anyway, people are free
> to use the contents. Of course, thanks to my naivety, I didn't expect
> to see them being used this way.
I only entered this thread because someone indicated that their text
content was being used without permission. I have been involved in
telecommunications law and legal issues since the Internet began...
> In my opinion, it is not a question of whether it is legal or not.
It should be. If your original work is being used in a manner that you
do not wish it to be used, then you need to get serious about your
rights.
Again, eBay has a method in place to deal with such abuse.
Clint Bradford
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:34:36 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: Alexandru Csete <alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 07:17 AM 12/2/2008, Alexandru Csete wrote:
>In my opinion, it is not a question of whether it is legal or not. It
>is more about "being nice to your neighbours". I also buy free software
>on CDs and DVDs because it can save me download time and in most cases
>it will support the development. But selling a CDROM with 10 MByte of
>data, which can be downloaded for free... that's also an insult to
>the environment :-(
Well, in that case, you have at least two choices, both of which you
exercised here - voting with your feet (i.e. not buying it) and
sharing your opinion on this issue with others.
I generally don't buy free software, because of the long turnaround
times for the media delivery, it's usually easier for me to simply
download the software I need.
73 de VK3JED
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:42:03 +1100
From: Tony Langdon <vk3jed@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Selling "free" software.
To: Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Alexandru Csete
<alexc@xxxx.xx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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At 07:33 AM 12/2/2008, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>>Well, I don't have any explicit copyright statements on my
>>>websites, so
>>I don't think I can claim any legal copyright.
>
>
>Absolutely incorrect. Your work is inherently copyrighted the moment
>you publish it...
Not sure if that is in all jurisdictions, but it is usually the
case. In any case, it still is a good idea to include copyright
statements, but you do have copyright protection without them.
>I only entered this thread because someone indicated that their text
>content was being used without permission. I have been involved in
>telecommunications law and legal issues since the Internet began...
Well, that's definitely copyright violation, and should be reported
and dealt with.
>>In my opinion, it is not a question of whether it is legal or not.
>
>
>It should be. If your original work is being used in a manner that you
>do not wish it to be used, then you need to get serious about your
>rights.
>
>Again, eBay has a method in place to deal with such abuse.
Agree.
73 de VK3JED
http://vkradio.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:54:00 -0800
From: laura halliday <marsgal42@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W28B1515F0EC12565866205AE010@xxx.xxx>
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Eric wrote:
> The only package I find here is for linux or dos. the linux version there
> will not compile on osx. where can I find osx (or more generic/portable)
> unix source? osx versions are referenced. also what is the latest version
> of predict?
Define "will not compile", please. My Mac (and XCode stuff)
are at home, so I can't see for myself until I'm at home too.
Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:16:00 -0800 (PST)
From: John Magliacane <kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
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--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> You might want to contact John, the program author, for tips
> on compiling it on OSX...
Allow me to save you the cost of the postage stamp. :-)
I don't run OSX personally, but have heard from several individuals who have
successfully compiled PREDICT under OSX, some of whom have documented their
efforts on the web in an attempt to assist other OSX users wishing to do the
same:
N1OFZ: http://n1ofz.connares.org/software/predict
Grace Peng: http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/2007/12/diy-satellite-
tracking.html
Our own Paul Williamson, KB5MU, has created a "vocalizer" replacement for
PREDICT operating under OSX: http://www.mustbeart.com/software/MacVocalizer-
manual.html
There may be other help pages as well. Many have hypertext links on the
PREDICT web page. When all else fails, "Google is your friend". :-)
> The latest version is the one that's available. I
> don't know if John has plans for updating/enhancing it
> further.
There has been some contributed code that permits PREDICT to operate under an
IPv6 environment, and some other tweaks and fixes that are in the planning
stages, but no official releases just yet due to time constraints and the fact
that the program, last released in May 2006, still runs like new. :-)
> Jim
73, de John, KD2BD
--
Visit John on the Web at:
http://kd2bd.ham.org/
.
.
.
.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:38:37 -0800
From: "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] getting predict compiled (under osx 10.4)
To: kd2bd@xxxxx.xxxx "Paul Williamson" <kb5mu@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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KD6BD n KB5MU de AF6EP,
First of All I'd like to thank you for contributing your time, effort, and
resources to the creation and support of predict for satellite tracking and
vocalizer for osx respectively Presently I see
http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.html mentions it working under osx but I
see no link to source that will compile under osx. Maybe the following
hints could be included in the readme of a future release, or even better
have ./install figure out which unix you are compiling for and get the
necessary stuff (bearing in mind the remaining questions below)
I downloaded the linux tarball from
http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/predict.htmlfor use on my mac powerbook G4,
running OS X
10.4.11. As stated no source file is directly available there for OSX.
When I first attempted ./configure it couldn't find the c compiler. once I
hard coded the osx location of gcc (/usr/bin/cc) into ./configure it
attempted to compile only to fail looking for soundcard.h (not quite sure
why predict needs a sound card)....ok the voice anouncements could be nice
on my mac and I did find vocalizer for mac at
http://www.mustbeart.com/software/MacVocalizer.html and replaced vocalizer
with that but ./install still had the define for soundcard.h so it bombed
again. It FINALLY compiled, though complained of not finding a soundcard
after completely removing the include for soundcard.h from install.c.
2 questions at this point:
How do I get it to not complain about not having a soundcard?
How do I get it to use the verson of vocalizer for the mac referenced above?
Is there a means to easily call another external program instead of
vocalizer when an event happens? (ultimately I'll be building a sat gateway
based around predict and asterisk under linux and it would be nice to have
predict trigger voice synthesis or playback within asterisk)
Please reply all, or at least to the amsat-bb (Whom, I cc'd) so all may
benifet.
Thanks,
Eric
AF6EP
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:40 -0800
From: "Eric Fort" <eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<2ad2af430812011531mfdcbc23hb6cd267a83cf3906@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Thanks a bunch, I wish I'd found these pages, google or otherwise before I
stumbled through it on my own. still looking to get the announcements
working though.
Eric
AF6EP
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM, John Magliacane <kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > You might want to contact John, the program author, for tips
> > on compiling it on OSX...
>
> Allow me to save you the cost of the postage stamp. :-)
>
> I don't run OSX personally, but have heard from several individuals who
> have successfully compiled PREDICT under OSX, some of whom have documented
> their efforts on the web in an attempt to assist other OSX users wishing to
> do the same:
>
> N1OFZ: http://n1ofz.connares.org/software/predict
>
> Grace Peng:
> http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/2007/12/diy-satellite-tracking.html
>
> Our own Paul Williamson, KB5MU, has created a "vocalizer" replacement for
> PREDICT operating under OSX:
> http://www.mustbeart.com/software/MacVocalizer-manual.html
>
> There may be other help pages as well. Many have hypertext links on the
> PREDICT web page. When all else fails, "Google is your friend". :-)
>
> > The latest version is the one that's available. I
> > don't know if John has plans for updating/enhancing it
> > further.
>
> There has been some contributed code that permits PREDICT to operate under
> an IPv6 environment, and some other tweaks and fixes that are in the
> planning stages, but no official releases just yet due to time constraints
> and the fact that the program, last released in May 2006, still runs like
> new. :-)
>
> > Jim
>
>
> 73, de John, KD2BD
>
> --
> Visit John on the Web at:
>
> http://kd2bd.ham.org/
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:21:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <999767.87775.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Thanks for jumoing in on this, John.
We all appreciate your efforts in creating and maintaining PREDICT.
tnx es 73!
Jim KQ6EA
--- On Mon, 12/1/08, John Magliacane <kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> From: John Magliacane <kd2bd@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 2:16 PM
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
> > You might want to contact John, the program author,
> for tips
> > on compiling it on OSX...
>
> Allow me to save you the cost of the postage stamp. :-)
>
> I don't run OSX personally, but have heard from several
> individuals who have successfully compiled PREDICT under
> OSX, some of whom have documented their efforts on the web
> in an attempt to assist other OSX users wishing to do the
> same:
>
> N1OFZ: http://n1ofz.connares.org/software/predict
>
> Grace Peng:
> http://badmomgoodmom.blogspot.com/2007/12/diy-satellite-tracking.html
>
> Our own Paul Williamson, KB5MU, has created a
> "vocalizer" replacement for PREDICT operating
> under OSX:
> http://www.mustbeart.com/software/MacVocalizer-manual.html
>
> There may be other help pages as well. Many have hypertext
> links on the PREDICT web page. When all else fails,
> "Google is your friend". :-)
>
> > The latest version is the one that's available. I
> > don't know if John has plans for
> updating/enhancing it
> > further.
>
> There has been some contributed code that permits PREDICT
> to operate under an IPv6 environment, and some other tweaks
> and fixes that are in the planning stages, but no official
> releases just yet due to time constraints and the fact that
> the program, last released in May 2006, still runs like new.
> :-)
>
> > Jim
>
>
> 73, de John, KD2BD
>
> --
> Visit John on the Web at:
>
> http://kd2bd.ham.org/
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:11:20 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: need link to current predict source code
To: eric.fort@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <49348B38.2030406@xxxxx.xxx>
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Surely the file you need is "predict.c"
you'll need to compile it yourself.
Eric Fort wrote:
> The only package I find here is for linux or dos. the linux version there
> will not compile on osx. where can I find osx (or more generic/portable)
> unix source? osx versions are referenced. also what is the latest version
> of predict?
>
> Eric
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:14:30 -0500
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas
To: "'Dave'" <dave@xxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <86A954AD8961498086236BD9760B7B62@xxxxx.xxxx.xxx>
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> Okay,... What would be necessary to
> start/construct a ground station access
> point to route satellite images/data/
> telemetry to the internet?...
> Is that something desirable?
Yes! The following addressess the AX.25 packet downlinks:
If you look at a pass over the USA, it might only take 4 good
OSCAR class ground stations in the four corners of the USA to
provide pretty good coverage of all passes of all satellties...
BUT, tracking horizon-to-horizon requires beam antennas,
tracking and computer control plus doppler. Yes, this needs
pretty good automated "full OSCAR class" stations.
*However*, what we have been pushing for years is to simplify
this down to a simple receiver and OMNI vertical antenna so that
more people can contribute, and fewer stations have to wear out
their tracking systems and moving parts and all of that
complexity. With an OMNI vertical, there are all kinds of
advantages:
1) No moving parts
2) No Tracking
3) No Doppler tuning (U only hear the center of pass)
4) No tower needed (doesn't need to see horizon)
5) No Beams, no elevation, no Azimuth concerns
6) Short coax and no pre-amp required usually
7) You still get "10+ dB gain" to the satellite!
8) Any Radio, and any TNC connected to any APRS client software
can then become just a permanent satgate 24/7/365 with no
wear-and-tear
The reason this works is that the Vertical Antenna is only
concerned with gain above 30 degrees and does not have to have
the high-gain antenna required to work the horizon where the
satellites are 6 to 10 dB weaker.
A 19.5" vertical 3/4 wave whip antenna over a ground plane at
roof or even backyard level that only needs to see the sky above
30 degrees will give you almost 7 dB gain at all angles over
about 25 to 30 degrees and can usually get to the shack with
less than 20' of coax. Plus the satellite is 6 to 10 dB closer,
so in effect you will hear satellites (above 30 degrees) just as
good as the OSCAR class stations (do at the horizon).
The downside that compensates for all these advantages is the
fact that LEO satellites are only above 25 degrees or so less
than 25% of the time. BUT, WE COMPENSATE for that by getting
MORE volunteer ground stations. But this is EASIER because all
it takes is a radio, a TNC, and a non-tower mounted vertical
whip (19" over a ground plane gives good gain on 2 meters and
almost 7 dBi gain on UHF above 25 degrees).
This is why we invite all small packet-relay satellites to share
our 145.825 MHz downlink (after coordination via the IARU of
course). The more ground stations, the better reliability, and
the the more satellites, the better continuity for packet
mobiles and portables.
These omni-SATgates all feed into the global APRS system which
feeds many live internet sites and also anyone who wants to mine
the downlink via a telnet connection. Each ground station only
needs to capture a few packets when it is under the satellite,
the other dozens of ground stations collect the packets over
other areas, and the continuous stream going into the internet
is available to all (with all dupes eliminated).
That's what feeds these web sites:
http://www.ariss.net for the ISS downlink
http://pcsat.aprs.org for the other APRS satellites
And many others such as findu.com, and oaprs.net and aprs.fi
The more the merrier!
Now for the upcoming 9600 baud downlink experiments by the ISS,
we will need these OMNI ground stations to set their radio TNC's
to 9600 baud for the duration of that experiment.
Bob, Wb4APR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
> To: "'Michelle'" <w5nyv@xxxxx.xxx>; "'Timothy J. Salo'"
> <salo@xxxxxxx.xxx>;
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:41 AM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Mep-dev] Re: Re: BBsat Call for ideas
>
>
> Def: MEP = Microwave Experimentation Project
>
> > One of the stated intentions of MEP
> > is to continue the digital ground station
> > work that was begun in support of ACP.
> > While MEP is intended to be deployed as a
> > terrestrial system, the model is based off of ACP.
>
> For what it's worth... the issue of high-gain antenna pointing
> among terrestrial users is being taken care of with an APRS
> packet that will indicate to everyone on the net, where each
> person's microwave antenna is pointing live. This can allow
for
> automatic antenna tracking during terrestrial ops. See
> http://www.aprs.org/info/microwave-exp-proj.txt
>
> > We preserve the idea of a multiple access payload in the
> > "groundsat", which will be a mountaintop repeater instead of
> > in orbit. We are using the same bands, with the only
> > difference being a shift off the satellite sub-bands. We
have
> > taken advantage of a greatly improved link budget by
> > orienting the system to high-definition video for
terrestrial
> use.
> >
> > For satellite use, we would be able to support some number
of
> > voice channels, depending on the payload.
> >
> > We are open invitation and welcome anyone at any level who
> > would like to participate.
> >
> > Our current phase is exploratory. We're beginning to
> > transition to analyzing requirements, and then we'll design,
> > implement, test and verify.
> > -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
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