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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ??4MB this morning on FO-29 (Wayne Estes)
2. AO-51 notes and observations (Andrew Glasbrenner)
3. For Sale: Icom 12at, 1.2 GHz HT (K & R Yoksh)
4. From CO8LY in AO-51 (Eduardo Somoano C)
5. Re: From CO8LY in AO-51 (Andrew Glasbrenner)
6. SO-50, YES! (Mark Lunday, WD4ELG)
7. FS: DB6NT MKU 232 A2 preamp (Christopher Best)
8. very light traffic on AO-51 this morning (Curt Nixon)
9. HEO launch possible??? (Luc Leblanc)
10. PO-63 Status? (Doug Kuitula)
11. Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning (Mark Lunday, WD4ELG)
12. PO-63 Status? (Chris Bloy)
13. Re: HEO launch possible??? (Bruce Robertson)
14. Re: HEO launch possible??? (Patrick Domack)
15. AO16 alive and kicking at 1944 UTC 16 DEC (Mark Lunday, WD4ELG)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:36:11 -0600
From: Wayne Estes <w9ae@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: ??4MB this morning on FO-29
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4946CDCB.8010006@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Luciano PT9KK wrote:
Out of curiosity, today at 15:22 UTC I heard on FO-29 ??4MB on orbit
60,879 around 435,841MHz. ??4MB signal was really booming in Brazil. I
wonder who would be this ??4MB. It was great to hear an American
stations on satellite after so long...
Wayne W9AE replies:
My guess is that you heard Jim Huhta AA4MD who is active on satellites.
He lives in Tampa, Florida. That is barely in the footprint from
Campo Grande, Brasil.
It is also possible that Jim AA4MD was operating portable from Central
America while doing volunteer medical work. Several years ago he made
many Japanese hams very happy when he operated on AO-40 from Belize.
Wayne Estes W9AE
Oakland, Oregon, USA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:03:11 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-51 notes and observations
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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Just a few notes on AO-51 to share with the group.
We are now back to the "normal" uplink arrangement. 145.920 and 435.300 for
normal repeater use, and 145.880 and 435.150 for QRP use ONLY. While
switching between the two pairs tonight I heard folks calling stations that
were operating on the other repeater. Sorry for the confusion by switching
back so fast to the 145.920 uplink, but we had to do it to make the QRP
channel available.
I'm convinced not all of our problems are related to the cordless phones. I
heard tonight whistlers, blowing in the mike, and folks giving extended CQs.
All of these are totally unnecessary, but to be expected out of some portion
of the newbies just getting their feet wet on satellites. I caught some
callsigns of some of the ops exhibiting shall we say a lack of "finesse"
when it comes to those types of behavior, and will be dropping them a
friendly email pointing them to some suggestions. I encourage other regulars
to do the same, with a gentle hand. Ben Jackson's guide is a good reference,
available at http://www.innismir.net/etc/CourteousAO51_v1.1.pdf .
The biggest thing is to not get wound up too tight about the whole thing. To
quote my favorite SciFi show, "This has all happened before, and will all
happen again". Those that knew and loved UO-14 know what I mean. If it
really gets your goat, c'mon up to AO-7, FO-29, and VO-52. We need more
SSB/CW ops to use these birds, and it's easy as pie. Got an 817 or other
capable rig with 2m and 70cm? Add an arrow, other small beams, or good omnis
preferably with preamps, and a PC with SatPC32, and start making QSOs.
We are working on finding the general location of the cordless phones, but
it takes time. Today I mailed out DVDs with SDR recordings of FO-29's
transponder and the QRM to some folks that will treat it as an Easter egg
hunt and find the general location of these troublemaker phones from their
Doppler curves, and then we'll work at shutting them down.
73, and thanks for the support,
Drew, KO4MA
AMSAT-NA VP Operations
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:47:11 -0600
From: "K & R Yoksh" <yokshs@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale: Icom 12at, 1.2 GHz HT
To: "Amsat BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <005101c95f28$992d8e80$6401a8c0@xxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi,
I'm selling my like-new Icom 12at, 1.2 GHz handie-talkie. It covers
1260-1300 MHz FM and is outputs up to 1w. It does PL, RIT, etc and
features 10 memory channels. It comes with the original Icom battery pack.
I'm not sure what these are selling for, so please email me with
an offer. Paypal only.
I will ship next business day. I will package well and ship insured
to your location in the continental USA.
Please contact me off list at k0kn at amsat dot org.
Thanks. 73,
Kyle
K0KN
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0500
From: "Eduardo Somoano C" <co8ly@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] From CO8LY in AO-51
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000f01c95f50$927f2bc0$4bd0fea9@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dears Freind Hams AO-51
This week the AO-51 UP TX 145.920 or 145.880 ???, Im not sure what frecuency
is most better . I receive okey in 435.300 DOWN
I wait ur answer.
Gook luck. 73
Eduardo. CO8LY
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:51:45 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: From CO8LY in AO-51
To: "Eduardo Somoano C" <co8ly@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <5167E8954733498083099E6A60461E71@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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reply-type=original
This week there are two repeaters.
145.920/435.300 All users
145.880/435.150 QRP only
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Somoano C" <co8ly@xxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:32 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] From CO8LY in AO-51
> Dears Freind Hams AO-51
>
> This week the AO-51 UP TX 145.920 or 145.880 ???, Im not sure what
> frecuency
> is most better . I receive okey in 435.300 DOWN
> I wait ur answer.
> Gook luck. 73
> Eduardo. CO8LY
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:15:06 -0500
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] SO-50, YES!
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, <fm-satellite@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <001301c95f34$e0e4f810$a2aee830$@xx.xxx>
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Tonight, I worked into SO-50 for the first time. All it took was some
patience and listening. My FT817 pair and Arrow antenna worked just fine.
I did notice that I could hardly hear anything at the beginning of the pass
(330 AZ), but heard the signals quite loudly at the end (180 AZ). The
elevation went as high as 70 degrees, and I had good copy from 70 degrees at
peak all the way down on the descent. I presume this was due to the
rotation of the satellite, which explains why I did not hear anything on the
ascent.
Also, all I heard was courteous and professional behavior during the pass.
I was impressed, there was no "gaggle" of rudeness.
Kudos to W8KHP and AA5PK who provided me with new grid squares and copied my
5 watts. To the other FB ops who called but I could not copy, my apologies.
I will catch you on a future pass.
Thanks to all. This is the BEST hobby, and AMSAT has added a whole new
level of excitement for me!
Now, the one remaining bird I have not worked is DO-64...
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:02:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Best <kb3dxr@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FS: DB6NT MKU 232 A2 preamp
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <938156.67104.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I have a DB6NT preamp that I picked up a few years ago for use with AO-40
while I was in college. Right now I do not have the time or equipment to work
AO-51. It is a MKU 232 A2 Super Low Noise 2.4GHz HEMT Preamplifier with
1268MHz Notch Filter. Measured from the factory with a noise figure of 0.68dB
and 40dB gain. Would like to see someone get some use out of it. $100 + sh.
73,
Christopher, KB3DXR
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:27:30 -0500
From: Curt Nixon <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] very light traffic on AO-51 this morning
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4947ACC2.8060207@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Was it just me or was there only a couple of stations heard on AO-51 B
channel (QRP) on the 12:40 UTC pass this morning over NA?
Curt
KU8L
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:41:47 -0500
From: Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO launch possible???
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <49473F9B.18784.4595483@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi satellite fans
Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5 announcement?
"The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites, primarily
intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9 and
W2M,
both for Eutelsat.
This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340 kg
for the
two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted orbits."
Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest)
15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
Configuration
Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
Launch Mass
1,570,000 lb
710,000 kg
Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
* Performance provided by Arianespace.
There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo a
150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE launch
cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even
with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
up correctly here?
The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are really
a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
estimates are hiding something else?
If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:07:35 -0500
From: "Doug Kuitula" <ka8qcu@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-63 Status?
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002e01c95f90$0be11700$58ca64d0@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi all,
Does anyone know the status of Peheunsat-1 (PO-63)? The Weekly Satellite
Report only states that it is in orbit and I could not find it listed on any
of the AMSAT sat status pages. I tried listening to the listed frequency
(145.825mhz FM) and heard nothing.
I also can find no website for it either.Thanks in advance.
73 de Doug KA8QCU
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:09:53 -0500
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning
To: "'Curt Nixon'" <cptcurt@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <002101c95f90$5a5e0410$0f1a0c30$@xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Curt, maybe that tells a big story...everybody was on the non-QRP channel!
I think this may be symptomatic of a problem with the approach by a select
few to AMSAT
"Fire up that amplifier. Let that baby hum, the loudest and the firstest is
the bestest."
Personally, with only 5 watts at my disposal, I wish the QRP channel was
always on.
*Sorry, too much coffee this morning has made me very feisty*
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Curt Nixon
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:28 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] very light traffic on AO-51 this morning
Was it just me or was there only a couple of stations heard on AO-51 B
channel (QRP) on the 12:40 UTC pass this morning over NA?
Curt
KU8L
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:17:06 +0000
From: Chris Bloy <chris@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] PO-63 Status?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <4947C672.6010502@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Doug,
I believe that this sat has run its mission and was only powered by
Batteries with no solar panels.. This is attached to a bigger satelite I
believe?
Thanks,
Chris - M0DQO
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:33:11 -0400
From: "Bruce Robertson" <ve9qrp@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???
To: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
<49657a760812160733xa6e3049tc2b6cb6e594a1ff6@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx> wrote:
> Hi satellite fans
>
> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5
announcement?
>
> "The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,
primarily
> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9
and W2M,
> both for Eutelsat.
>
> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
>
> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340
kg for the
> two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted
orbits."
>
> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
>
> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest)
15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
>
>
> Configuration
> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
>
> Launch Mass
> 1,570,000 lb
> 710,000 kg
>
> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
>
> * Performance provided by Arianespace.
>
> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo a
150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
>
> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE
launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
>
> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even
with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
> up correctly here?
>
> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are
really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
> estimates are hiding something else?
>
>
> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
>
> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
Luc:
This is interesting information, as always. In my opinion, your
presentation of it is marred by the too-rapid accusation of illegal
activity. My impression is the contrary: that AMSAT has benefited from
the hard work of well-informed and well-placed volunteers, who have
nonetheless been unable to find a workable price for a HEO launch in
today's market. So perhaps there is another explanation for the
discrepancy you observe.
I remember that the 1-kg cubesat launches cost roughly $40,000, and
that this is considered an incredibly low price. This makes me suspect
that determining the launch cost by long division only, to derive your
$25,000, might not be sufficient.
I think it is very important that, as an organization, we do not
become upset with those who attempt to find HEO/GEO opportunities and
bring back bad news to us. I'll put this more broadly: I think the
biggest threat to AMSAT today is not the lack of launch opportunities,
but rather the bitterness and consequential unwarranted recriminations
that come from our thwarted ambitions.
73, Bruce
VE9QRP
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:15:34 -0500
From: Patrick Domack <patrickdk@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081216111534.9ykcr0c408o0gkgw@xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
format="flowed"
This assumes all launch costs are realtive to satellite weight. The
cost of people and equipment to do the launch is not related to
weight. Plus I don't believe rockets use x mount of propellent per kg,
but it's ramped.
Like anything in life, it's cheaper to buy in bulk, where bulk here is
gross satellite weight.
Quoting Luc Leblanc <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>:
> Hi satellite fans
>
> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5
> announcement?
>
> "The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,
> primarily
> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT
> BIRDTM 9 and W2M,
> both for Eutelsat.
>
> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
>
> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including
> 8,340 kg for the
> two satellites, which will be released separately into their
> targeted orbits."
>
> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
>
> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual
> manifest) 15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
>
>
> Configuration
> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
>
> Launch Mass
> 1,570,000 lb
> 710,000 kg
>
> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
>
> * Performance provided by Arianespace.
>
> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per
> kilo a 150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
>
> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and
> EAGLE launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
>
> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast
> but even with the worst case scenario there is something who's not
> added
> up correctly here?
>
> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues
> are really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
> estimates are hiding something else?
>
>
> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
>
> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:51:07 -0500
From: "Mark Lunday, WD4ELG" <mlunday@xx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO16 alive and kicking at 1944 UTC 16 DEC
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000c01c95fb7$a36726b0$ea357410$@xx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks to N8MH and W4UPD for the QSO's on old faithful. Max elevation was
20 degrees, but I had no issues with my Arrow and FT817.
Audio was extremely clear. Sure wish we could clone this bird.
Mark Lunday
WD4ELG
wd4elg@xxxx.xxx
http://wd4elg.net
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