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Today's Topics:
1. New Row for all oscar satellites at (Satellite Status
WebPage) , RE:PO-63 stataus? (nader omer)
2. Seychelles on sat (S79AC-Sarel) (nader omer)
3. Cute 1.7 APD-II Packet (Henk, PA3GUO)
4. AO-7 historic orbit approaching (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
5. DM31 and DM51 QSL card status (John Papay)
6. Re: AO-7 historic orbit approaching (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
7. Here's the latest Newbie Goof (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
8. AO7 (k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx
9. Re: AO7 (Andrew Glasbrenner)
10. Re: AO7 (Sebastian)
11. Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning (Tim Goodrich)
12. Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning (David)
13. Re: HEO launch possible??? (John B. Stephensen)
14. Re: HEO launch possible??? (Geoff Taurins)
15. Re: HEO launch possible??? (Geoff Taurins)
16. Re: AO-7 historic orbit approaching (Greg D.)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:35:27 -0800 (PST)
From: nader omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] New Row for all oscar satellites at (Satellite
Status WebPage) , RE:PO-63 stataus?
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <272478.31196.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
HI,
It wll be more easy?to monitor all satellites with?OSCAR number If? David
Carr, KD5QGR and Bob Bruninga, WB4APR add?row to all ?new satellites in
their?wounderfull webpage
http://oscar.dcarr.org/index.php
?
?
>Hi all,
> Does anyone know the status of Peheunsat-1 (PO-63)? The Weekly Satellite
>Report only states that it is in orbit and I could not find it listed on any
of
>the AMSAT sat status pages. I tried listening to the listed frequency
>(145.825mhz FM) and heard nothing.
> I also can find no website for it either.Thanks in advance.
>73 de Doug KA8QCU
?
Doug I have been monitoring PO-63 last? two weeks ?- but ?Nill copy
These links may help with PO-63!
?
http://www.dk3wn.info/sat/afu/sat_pehuen.shtml
?
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/pehuenst.htm
?
73,Nader,st2nh
www.st2nh.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:54:40 -0800 (PST)
From: nader omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Seychelles on sat (S79AC-Sarel)
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <887493.86024.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Hi,
?
Sarel, S79AC was on AO-51 this?Nigth with a very good signal??from the
Seychelles .I worked him with a good 5/5 reports ,sat was AO-51
He is using an FT-817 and an Arrow.
?
Thanks Sarel for NEW ONE
?
And many thanks to OM Hal Lund ZS6WB for info and emails.
?
73 ,Nader,st2nh
www.st2nh.com
?
?
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:15:16 +0100 (CET)
From: "Henk, PA3GUO" <hamoen@xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Cute 1.7 APD-II Packet
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <3487.212.61.85.20.1229465716.squirrel@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
December 16, 2008
Received (heared) several packets on 437.475 MHz
Decoded (only) one 1200 baud FM packet:
20:04:58 !JQ1YTC>JQ1YCZ:0
Henk, PA3GUO
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:45:11 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 historic orbit approaching
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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<121620082345.18795.49483D87000CA4C60000496B22193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C
04040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
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Hey everyone,
Based on the AO-7 Log Web page, AO-7 is about to begin its 56,000th orbit!
The next pass over the USA, which begins for me in Northeast Georgia at
roughly 01:12 UTC (8:12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time) will be part of that
orbit.
I hope somebody might come up and hear a CW signal around 29.445 (the Grand
Old Girl is in Mode A). I think it would be awesome to have a contact on orbit
56k!
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:49:58 -0500
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DM31 and DM51 QSL card status
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <200812162352.mBGNqWtp009805@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
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All of the requests for QSL cards for
contacts with K8YSE/7 in DM31, Organ Pipe
Cactus National Monument, 18-19 November
and DM51, 22 November, Bisbee, Arizona were
put in the mail today.
About 50 different stations were worked from
DM31 and 20 were worked from DM51. Organ Pipe
was a real experience from both a radio standpoint
as well as hiking through this amazing park. The
campground was nearly empty; we had no one in view
from our campsite. Every visible AO51 and SO50
pass was worked and only one pass netted zero
contacts due to the extraordinary amount of east
coast activity. All qso's were made from the
campground.
DM51 was a night time pass on AO51. The location
was scouted out in the afternoon when you could
see where the mountains were. Then we drove back
to the same gps coordinates later that day when it
was pitch dark. This was the only way to insure that
we would have a low horizon for the pass.
QSL cards for DM31 were printed from a photo taken by
my XYL, W8ZJB. The DM51 cards are photos with labels
printed for me by my son, KD8CAO. If you need a card
for either grid, please send an SASE to my qrz.com
address.
If you're looking for a little excitement, try doing a
portable operation from a relatively inactive grid. There
are plenty out there that are not that far from active
stations. Take a photo, have them printed at your favorite
discount drug store, cut them down to 3-1/2" x 5-1/2", put a
label on them and confirm a new grid for those that are
paying attention. And if you live in a rare grid, please
try to get on the birds now and then. We all need something
new to work to make it interesting.
A special thank you to WD9EWK, N5AFV, N5ZNL, KD8CAO, ND9M,
VO1ONE (N8TLV) and all of the others who have made the effort
to operate from grids away from their home QTH. They are
the dxpeditioners of our satellite world and do all the
work while we sit comfortably in our ham shacks.
73,
John K8YSE
k8yse@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:21:29 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 historic orbit approaching
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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<121720080021.13880.49484609000B20030000363822193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C
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Somebody just emailed me off the board suggesting that AO-7's "odometer has
rolled," and that this is actually orbit No. 156.000!
She deserves to be busy, I think, and I hope a lot of you agree.
73 to all,
Tim
-------------- Original message from n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx --------------
> Hey everyone,
>
> Based on the AO-7 Log Web page, AO-7 is about to begin its 56,000th orbit!
> The next pass over the USA, which begins for me in Northeast Georgia at
roughly
> 01:12 UTC (8:12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time) will be part of that orbit.
> I hope somebody might come up and hear a CW signal around 29.445 (the Grand
Old
> Girl is in Mode A). I think it would be awesome to have a contact on orbit
56k!
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim - N3TL
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:46:35 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Here's the latest Newbie Goof
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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<121720080146.24685.494859FB000368380000606D22193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C
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You know, it never occurred to me to switch to Mode B and see whether AO-7 had
switched ... which she had.
So ... I listened to static crashes on 29.445 for 20 minutes. Nice...
Congrats to K3SZH, K8DID, W5VG, K9CIS and N0SWE. They made it in on No. 156K!
Tim - N3TL
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:48:52 GMT
From: "k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxxx <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO7
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <20081216.174852.8364.0@xxxxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
AO7 at 01:18 utc was in mode "B" , what a surprise from the earlier pass that
was in mode "A". I believe it will stay in mode "B" for some time.
73
Joe
Amsat 3788
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:03:47 -0500
From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO7
To: <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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That is odd. The satellite is still well illuminated, so it might be that
the user load peaked at a particularly bad instance and the buss dropped
enough to reset the timer. Pure speculation on my part though!
73, Drew KO4MA
----- Original Message -----
From: <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO7
> AO7 at 01:18 utc was in mode "B" , what a surprise from the earlier pass
> that was in mode "A". I believe it will stay in mode "B" for some time.
> 73
> Joe
> Amsat 3788
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:02:01 -0500
From: Sebastian <w4as@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO7
To: AMSAT BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
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Is it possible that it reset because someone used too much power on
the bird? It's common knowledge to use the lowest power you can on
any satellite, however I know some people crank it up and even use
amplifiers which many times makes the bird unusable for others.
73 de W4AS
Sebastian
On Dec 16, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
> That is odd. The satellite is still well illuminated, so it might be
> that
> the user load peaked at a particularly bad instance and the buss
> dropped
> enough to reset the timer. Pure speculation on my part though!
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k3szh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:48 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AO7
>
>
>> AO7 at 01:18 utc was in mode "B" , what a surprise from the earlier
>> pass
>> that was in mode "A". I believe it will stay in mode "B" for some
>> time.
>> 73
>> Joe
>> Amsat 3788
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:20:47 -0800
From: "Tim Goodrich" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <026901c95ff6$74b7b5c0$5e272140$@xxx>
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I agree. It is quite frustrating to be stonewalled by high power stations
for an entire pass when you're only running 5 watts.
Tim
KC2DDS
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: David <m0zlb@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: very light traffic on AO-51 this morning
To: Tim Goodrich <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
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I wonder just how the QRP repeater is regulated so to speak. I gave up on the
regular repeater as 5w in is just a waste of time but this evenings pass on
the QRP repeater was just as bad with stations clearly running well in excess
of QRP levels. Thankfully the later pass of SO-50 was far better for QRP
stations!
Sent from my iPod
On Dec 16, 2008, at 22:20, "Tim Goodrich" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
I agree. It is quite frustrating to be stonewalled by high power stations
for an entire pass when you're only running 5 watts.
Tim
KC2DDS
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:43:11 -0000
From: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???
To: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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You're off by a factor of more than 100 in cost. The payload is less than 1%
of the launch mass. Pricing is also not linear as there are costs in
addition to fuel.
73,
John
KD6OZH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luc Leblanc" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:41 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO launch possible???
> Hi satellite fans
>
> Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5
> announcement?
>
> "The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,
> primarily
> intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9
> and W2M,
> both for Eutelsat.
>
> This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
>
> The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340
> kg for the
> two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted
> orbits."
>
> Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
>
> LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
> 39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest)
> 15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
>
>
> Configuration
> Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
>
> Launch Mass
> 1,570,000 lb
> 710,000 kg
>
> Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
>
> * Performance provided by Arianespace.
>
> There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo
> a 150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
>
> I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE
> launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
>
> I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even
> with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
> up correctly here?
>
> The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are
> really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
> estimates are hiding something else?
>
>
> If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
>
> http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
>
>
> "-"
>
>
> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
> Skype VE2DWE
> www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:43:53 +1100
From: "Geoff Taurins" <geofft@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???
To: "'Luc Leblanc'" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Message-ID:
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G'day Luc
The way I read the specs on the web page is
Launch Cost = $120,000,000
Payload = 12770 Kg (not 710,000 Kg which is launch weight )
Total = $9397 / Kg
For a 150Kg sat that's around $1,400,000
73 Geoff VK3GE
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Luc Leblanc
Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:42
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO launch possible???
Hi satellite fans
Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5
announcement?
"The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,
primarily
intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9
and W2M,
both for Eutelsat.
This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340
kg for the
two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted
orbits."
Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest)
15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
Configuration
Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
Launch Mass
1,570,000 lb
710,000 kg
Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
* Performance provided by Arianespace.
There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo a
150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE
launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even
with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
up correctly here?
The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are
really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
estimates are hiding something else?
If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
Skype VE2DWE
www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:48:03 +1100
From: "Geoff Taurins" <geoffreyt@xxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: HEO launch possible???
To: "'Luc Leblanc'" <lucleblanc6@xxxxxxxxx.xx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
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G'day Luc
The way I read the specs on the web page is
Launch Cost = $120,000,000,
Payload = 12770 Kg (not 710,000 Kg which is launch weight ),
Total = $9397 / Kg,
For a 150Kg sat that's around $1,400,000
73 Geoff VK3GE
-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On
Behalf Of Luc Leblanc
Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2008 21:42
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Cc: eu-amsat@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HEO launch possible???
Hi satellite fans
Just came out of a bad dream tonight after reading this Ariane 5
announcement?
"The 186th Ariane mission will launch two communications satellites,
primarily
intended for direct TV broadcast services and data networks: HOT BIRDTM 9
and W2M,
both for Eutelsat.
This will be the 42nd Ariane 5 launch.
The launcher will be carrying a total payload of 9,220 kg, including 8,340
kg for the
two satellites, which will be released separately into their targeted
orbits."
Just note The 9220Kg payload and theses Ariane 5 figures
LEO Payload* (28.5 deg., 550 km) GTO Payload* (7 deg. inclination)
39,600 lb 18,000 kg (single / dual manifest)
15,000 lb / 13,160 lb 6,800 kg / 5,970 kg
Configuration
Core + 2 SRB + Aestus Second Stage
Launch Mass
1,570,000 lb
710,000 kg
Estimated Launch Price US $120 M
* Performance provided by Arianespace.
There is room for a 150kg amateur HEO satellite and at an US$169 per kilo a
150Kg mass should cost US $25350!!!
I'm not too quick in calculus but how the +_ millions USD P3E and EAGLE
launch cost came from? integration work? shipping and handling?
I know that at the top of a Ponzi pyramid numbers added very fast but even
with the worst case scenario there is something who's not added
up correctly here?
The killing question is: Is the actual P3E and EAGLE launch issues are
really a financial matter? and those very high HEO launch cost
estimates are hiding something else?
If you want to see where i got theses figures go to:
http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/ariane5_specs.shtml
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Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:29:39 -0800
From: "Greg D." <ko6th_greg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 historic orbit approaching
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Definitely rolled.
Back of the envelope calculation:
2008-1974 = 34 years in orbit, at 365 days per year is about 12,000 days,
times 16 orbits per day gets you to 192,000 orbits. I guess the orbital
period is a bit longer than that, so yeah, 156k sounds about right.
Man, that's a lot of orbits.
Greg KO6TH
> From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:21:29 +0000
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 historic orbit approaching
>
> Somebody just emailed me off the board suggesting that AO-7's "odometer has
rolled," and that this is actually orbit No. 156.000!
>
> She deserves to be busy, I think, and I hope a lot of you agree.
>
> 73 to all,
>
> Tim
> -------------- Original message from n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx --------------
>
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > Based on the AO-7 Log Web page, AO-7 is about to begin its 56,000th orbit!
> > The next pass over the USA, which begins for me in Northeast Georgia at
roughly
> > 01:12 UTC (8:12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time) will be part of that orbit.
> > I hope somebody might come up and hear a CW signal around 29.445 (the
Grand Old
> > Girl is in Mode A). I think it would be awesome to have a contact on orbit
56k!
> >
> > 73 to all,
> >
> > Tim - N3TL
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