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Today's Topics:
1. IC-910H data port receiving (Peter)
2. Re: IC-910H data port receiving (nader omer)
3. KX4Y via email (Alan Sieg WB5RMG)
4. Re: IC-910H data port receiving (Nitin Muttin ( VU3TYG ))
5. Re: Programming language recommendation? (Alan P. Biddle)
6. is it really QRP making the difference (Jim Danehy)
7. data engine (Peter Gibson)
8. Re: is it really QRP making the difference (n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
9. Re: data engine (Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF)
10. Re: data engine (Charlie Schlieper)
11. IC-910H data port receiving, fixed (Peter)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:08:06 -0500
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-910H data port receiving
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
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Happy Holidays,
I am trying to receive packet from my data port to the audio in of the
computer, unfortunately I have not been successful. I have a 6 pin mini
din connector with bare wires at one end, I buzzed out the data out, ground
is the shell, and made the connection to the stereo plug, no sound. I'm
missing something, any help from someone with the Icom would be appreciated.
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:28:49 -0800 (PST)
From: nader omer <st2nh@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: IC-910H data port receiving
To: amsat bb bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <105153.66157.qm@xxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
HI,? Peter
?
The draw of the data socket on Icom 910 manual is?for the female socket (on
the radio) . The male socket is a mirror of this draw check up this first.!!
?
Pins are:-
Pin 4 for 9k6
Pin 5 for 1k2
Pin 2 grounds
Pin 1 data in
Pin 3 PTT
?
Ground connect to the base of the audio plug and data out to the tip of the
plug.
?
On the back of the radio there were two mini sockets one for main band and
other for sub make sure you select the right one.
?
The ACC pins configuration can be programmed through setup mode.
?
Make sure the correct baud selected.
?
Checkup? and test your PC soundcard input and out put.
?
I hope this will help!
?seasons greating.
?
Nader , st2nh
?
www.st2nh.com
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:08:35 -0600 (CST)
From: "Alan Sieg WB5RMG" <wb5rmg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] KX4Y via email
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <2174.198.119.224.78.1229530115.squirrel@xxx.xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Some of you may have recently received an email notification from KX4Y
regarding the upcoming ARISS contact. I received this with great joy,
as Dieter has recently been out of circulation with some medical issues,
and this tells me that he is at least connecting to the keyboard some.
I send this for those who know Dieter, but may not be on that email list,
in case they might wish to send him some holiday greetings by email...
Thanks Dieter for everything you do !!!
73 for now /;^)
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<- http://www.somenet.net * http://wb5rmg.somenet.net ->
<- http://www.linkedin.com/in/alansieg * My 'Day Job' ->
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:17:16 +0530
From: "Nitin Muttin \( VU3TYG \)" <vu3tyg@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: IC-910H data port receiving
To: "Peter" <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <C2B7D00527744787991705176EE1481F@xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi Pete,
The 910H has two data ports ( For the Main Band and the Sub Band )
Main Band / Sub Band : Pin 5 - AF Out , Pin 2 is ground ( This is for
1200bps ops only ). Check which data socket you have connected on the radio
and open the squelch to check if you can hear the audio in your pc speaker.
Also check if you have connected the audio cable to the mic in or line in on
your pc and set the audio levels for the same.
If you are using the Data out ( Pin 4, 9600 baud ) the squelch control on
the rig has no control. Let me know if this helps.
73, Nitin [VU3TYG]
www.amsatindia.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-910H data port receiving
> Happy Holidays,
>
> I am trying to receive packet from my data port to the audio in of the
> computer, unfortunately I have not been successful. I have a 6 pin mini
> din connector with bare wires at one end, I buzzed out the data out,
> ground
> is the shell, and made the connection to the stereo plug, no sound. I'm
> missing something, any help from someone with the Icom would be
> appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Pete, WB2OQQ
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:25:11 -0600
From: "Alan P. Biddle" <APBIDDLE@xxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Programming language recommendation?
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <0289419A51CA4ADC99AEC6196E42D7FC@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Several weeks back, I asked for some recommendations on a programming
language. I came across this "helpful" article recently:
http://www.aegisub.net/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html
Mostly humorous, with a bit of fortune cookie profundity, and it tracks with
many of the recommendations and accompanying comments.
Really OT, but enjoy anyway!
Alan
WA4SCA
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:20:56 -0500
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] is it really QRP making the difference
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <63CADC1B1A8C41AF955144C8B56784D1@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
After 4 months of working the satellites I have the following observation . .
. .
I have QSLed close to 300 stations with great response (thanks for confirming
close to 200 Grid Squares) . . . most but not all of those QSOs were North
American stations . . . . many (but not all) QSLs indicate the type of antenna
that was used . . . my statistics show that about 2 out of 3 are using some
compromise antenna . . . definition of compromise antenna : Elk, Arrow,
Eggbeater, Vertical. They are compromised compared to a Yagi or Helix antenna.
Some of the compromised antennas are further impaired by being used indoors.
I have often worked K9CIS on either FO 29 or AO 7 when Frank was running
milliwatts and I had an armchair copy on CW. He was not running compromised
antennas. FM mode is the mode of choice for most. Those using FM must realize
that there is a difference on how FM receivers work. The strongest signal
captures the discriminator and comes out on top compared to a competing
signal. That does not occur on SSB or CW. Frank, K9CIS and Mike, K9QHO further
assisted me when I got on in August with my use of a dual polarity yagi. .
.this type of antenna mitigates the constantly changing polarity heard by
those using linear (vertical or horizontal) polarity. . .
Many of those compromised antenna users also use QRP power levels ( 5 watts
or less). . . . when I got back into satellite operating from a 30 year
hiatus, I noted the advertising for the Arrow and its use with an HT (QRP)
rig. That was certainly novel and interesting from my 56 years of operating
sometimes with stacked yagis on HF and VHF. . . My receiving antenna for
satellites has 14 db of gain and dual polarity . . . well 13 db of gain is
equivalent to a multiplier factor of 10 for 10 db and double that to 20 for
the extra 3 db. A friend of mine has used the Elk and the Arrow. He could not
carry on a cross town QSO on 435 mhz using the Elk so he sent it back.
I often make QSOs into France, UK, Netherlands and Belgium on AO 7 using my
antennas at an elevation of 1 or 2 degrees. I can hear very well with these
antennas. Something that a compromised antenna can not do. [ transponder
satellites] AO7 , FO29, VO52. . . turn on a preamp and it gets even better
for the transponder operator . . . you do not use a preamp on an HT . . .
With 5 watts (QRP) on FM and a 10 db transmitting antenna my ERP is 50 watts
. . . . and an HT @ 2 or 3 maybe 5 watts to a compromised antenna maybe is
lucky to get 6 db gain (a factor of 4) . . . for an ERP of 8 to 10 watts and
linear polarity (another compromise) which can reduce the ERP during a pass by
a factor of 3 db (half) . . . cutting the HT's operator's power to 4 or 5
watts . . . compare that to my 50 watts ERP ( 5 watt station ) with no
compromise antennas used both on FM and Transponder satellites to the HT
operator . . you will see that it is not QRP levels but antenna efficiency
and effectiveness that is the BIG difference . . . QRP operating refers to the
power not to the antennas being used . . . I think folks need to reflect on
what QRP operating is compared to QRP and compromised antennas . . .
Using an HT is OK but do not expect it to compare to the same 5 watt power
level and a set of yagis . . . 5 watts is still 5 watts for either station . .
. the difference is the antennas. . . . . yes it is novel and good PR to see
HT users use the satellites . . . . . reality is something else . . .
A pair of yagis with dual polarity (not linear polarity) and ACCURATE
TRACKING is still another advantage that is compromised by the hand held
antenna . . . I have seen operators wave the antenna and twist it around . .
. well it works . . . the yagi operator using elevation and azimuth rotors can
set his antennas to the correct positions within a couple of degrees . . . .
that is another advantage over a compromised antenna . . . .
yes there is a lot of passion by the Davids out there who want to outdo the
Goliaths . . . that is human nature . . . if both are running 5 watts ; the
increased gain , tracking and superior polarity all add up to grabbing the FM
receiver in the satellite and shutting out the less advantaged station running
the same power but with inferior antennas . . .it is the antennas not the 5
watt QRP that makes the difference . . .
Probably 20 % of the FM users have the superior antennas compared to those
with compromised antennas . . . . so often the compromised antenna user feels
good and being able to compete (against other compromised antenna users) for
QSOs . . . in the situations where they run into a user who does not have a
compromised antennas they should understand the situation for what it is . . .
it is not QRP against non QRP it can be the antenna
hearing is another issue . . . i call stations that I want to add to my Grid
Square or country total like every one else . . . others do not hear the DX
stations i call . . .i can get multiple stations replying to my call . . .
others get upset . . . . remember what compromise means = PATIENCE and
UNDERSTANDING. . . . thanks for reading , I hope this helps some understand
the reality of the situation . . .
Jim W9VNE
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:49:19 -0000
From: "Peter Gibson" <petergibson7@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] data engine
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <000001c9606f$c9e82380$5db86a80$@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Help Please
I have a Kantronics data engine 19k2/9k6
The battery was missing from the battery back.
Anyone know what type it is
73's Peter G7LJA
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:51:30 +0000
From: n3tl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: is it really QRP making the difference
To: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID:
<121720081751.393.49493C22000221890000018922218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04
040A0DBF049BCC02@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
Jim and all,
Great points, and all very well-made.
My choice to take the approach I have is just that - my choice. This isn't my
first time to the ol' ham radio rodeo, either - and I am well aware of the
compromises I inevitably must deal with, and of the need for the patience and
understanding required to achieve whatever success I have, and will as I move
forward.
Thank you for a very thoughtful and well-written post.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL
-------------- Original message from "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy@xxxxx.xx.xxx>: ----
----------
After 4 months of working the satellites I have the following observation . .
.
> .
> I have QSLed close to 300 stations with great response (thanks for
confirming close to 200 Grid Squares) . . . most but not all of those QSOs
were North American stations . . . . many (but not all) QSLs indicate the type
of antenna that was used . . . my statistics show that about 2 out of 3 are
using some compromise antenna . . . definition of compromise antenna : Elk,
Arrow, Eggbeater, Vertical. They are compromised compared to a Yagi or Helix
antenna.
> Some of the compromised antennas are further impaired by being used indoors.
> I have often worked K9CIS on either FO 29 or AO 7 when Frank was running
milliwatts and I had an armchair copy on CW. He was not running compromised
antennas. FM mode is the mode of choice for most. Those using FM must realize
that there is a difference on how FM receivers work. The strongest signal
captures the discriminator and comes out on top compared to a competing
signal.
> That does not occur on SSB or CW. Frank, K9CIS and Mike, K9QHO further
assisted
> me when I got on in August with my use of a dual polarity yagi. . .this type
of
> antenna mitigates the constantly changing polarity heard by those using
linear
> (vertical or horizontal) polarity. . .
>
> Many of those compromised antenna users also use QRP power levels ( 5 watts
or
> less). . . . when I got back into satellite operating from a 30 year hiatus,
I
> noted the advertising for the Arrow and its use with an HT (QRP) rig. That
was
> certainly novel and interesting from my 56 years of operating sometimes with
> stacked yagis on HF and VHF. . . My receiving antenna for satellites has 14
db
> of gain and dual polarity . . . well 13 db of gain is equivalent to a
multiplier
> factor of 10 for 10 db and double that to 20 for the extra 3 db. A friend of
> mine has used the Elk and the Arrow. He could not carry on a cross town QSO
on
> 435 mhz using the Elk so he sent it back.
>
> I often make QSOs into France, UK, Netherlands and Belgium on AO 7 using my
> antennas at an elevation of 1 or 2 degrees. I can hear very well with these
> antennas. Something that a compromised antenna can not do. [ transponder
> satellites] AO7 , FO29, VO52. . . turn on a preamp and it gets even better
> for the transponder operator . . . you do not use a preamp on an HT . . .
>
> With 5 watts (QRP) on FM and a 10 db transmitting antenna my ERP is 50 watts
.
> . . . and an HT @ 2 or 3 maybe 5 watts to a compromised antenna maybe is
lucky
> to get 6 db gain (a factor of 4) . . . for an ERP of 8 to 10 watts and
linear
> polarity (another compromise) which can reduce the ERP during a pass by a
factor
> of 3 db (half) . . . cutting the HT's operator's power to 4 or 5 watts . . .
> compare that to my 50 watts ERP ( 5 watt station ) with no compromise
antennas
> used both on FM and Transponder satellites to the HT operator . . you will
see
> that it is not QRP levels but antenna efficiency and effectiveness that is
the
> BIG difference . . . QRP operating refers to the power not to the antennas
being
> used . . . I think folks need to reflect on what QRP operating is compared
to
> QRP and compromised antennas . . .
>
> Using an HT is OK but do not expect it to compare to the same 5 watt power
level
> and a set of yagis . . . 5 watts is still 5 watts for either station . . .
the
> difference is the antennas. . . . . yes it is novel and good PR to see HT
users
> use the satellites . . . . . reality is something else . . .
>
> A pair of yagis with dual polarity (not linear polarity) and ACCURATE
TRACKING
> is still another advantage that is compromised by the hand held antenna . .
. I
> have seen operators wave the antenna and twist it around . . . well it works
. .
> . the yagi operator using elevation and azimuth rotors can set his antennas
to
> the correct positions within a couple of degrees . . . . that is another
> advantage over a compromised antenna . . . .
>
> yes there is a lot of passion by the Davids out there who want to outdo the
> Goliaths . . . that is human nature . . . if both are running 5 watts ; the
> increased gain , tracking and superior polarity all add up to grabbing the
FM
> receiver in the satellite and shutting out the less advantaged station
running
> the same power but with inferior antennas . . .it is the antennas not the 5
> watt QRP that makes the difference . . .
>
> Probably 20 % of the FM users have the superior antennas compared to those
with
> compromised antennas . . . . so often the compromised antenna user feels
good
> and being able to compete (against other compromised antenna users) for QSOs
. .
> . in the situations where they run into a user who does not have a
compromised
> antennas they should understand the situation for what it is . . . it is not
> QRP against non QRP it can be the antenna
>
> hearing is another issue . . . i call stations that I want to add to my Grid
> Square or country total like every one else . . . others do not hear the DX
> stations i call . . .i can get multiple stations replying to my call . . .
> others get upset . . . . remember what compromise means = PATIENCE and
> UNDERSTANDING. . . . thanks for reading , I hope this helps some understand
the
> reality of the situation . . .
>
> Jim W9VNE
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:22 +0000
From: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: data engine
To: Peter Gibson <petergibson7@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <49494106.1090208@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
What did Kantronics say when you asked them?
Peter Gibson wrote:
> Help Please
>
> I have a Kantronics data engine 19k2/9k6
>
> The battery was missing from the battery back.
>
> Anyone know what type it is
>
> 73's Peter G7LJA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Nigel A. Gunn. G8IFF W8IFF (have also held KC8NHF, M0NHF, 9H3GN)
1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA 937 825 5032
e-mail nigel@xxxxx.xxx www http://www.ngunn.net
Member of ARRL, GQRP #11396, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pig #385,
Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, AMSAT-UK, MKARS, ALC
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:20:13 -0600
From: "Charlie Schlieper" <n5td@xxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: data engine
To: "Peter Gibson" <petergibson7@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Message-ID: <B55C9DD05BA0425D93C7E69EDABD1887@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
On the Kantronics "Data Engine" TNC...
I still have three Kantronics Data Engine TNCs, and in the
back part of the circuit board there is a 2430 LITHIUM cell, no leads, that
fits into a socket. Hope this helps!
73,
Charlie, N5TD
Temple, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Gibson" <petergibson7@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] data engine
> Help Please
>
> I have a Kantronics data engine 19k2/9k6
>
> The battery was missing from the battery back.
>
> Anyone know what type it is
>
> 73's Peter G7LJA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:11:51 -0500
From: Peter <roi@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] IC-910H data port receiving, fixed
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Message-ID: <008c01c9607b$a78f4c80$6901a8c0@xxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
Hello,
Once again this is a BB with a high electronics IQ! I want to thank all who
responded, the problem was related to the receiving software that was
looking at the wrong sound card, thank you and have a very Healthy and Happy
Holiday Season!
73,
Pete, WB2OQQ
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